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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:42 am

x1234 wrote:
I have heard rumours of UA launching EWR-BLR but I also hear UA wants to launch SFO-BOM when they get the A350 or block seats with the 789.

What’s the market 0r connection between SFO (tech) and BOM (bijiness)
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:52 am

@edeal That's at a Tech Park at BLR, not in BLR airport.

Check this out though.... this is their presentation at sfo bay area sites. Baffles me with the kind of clout they are proposing for the BLR-SFO route, even though i know that the bay area is #1 unserved market of BLR.

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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:05 am

Direct flights to haneda from delhi during the Olympics period, 26th July to 6th Aug ,are coming in at Rs 29k to 30k. Pretty cheap but non refundable. Wonder whether the new flights to tokyo being discussed here will result in similar fares ?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:40 am

subramak1 wrote:
Economy wise MAA is still bigger, it is more diversified with a bigger manufacturing base.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... per_capita


The link you have posted suggests data from 2013-14 as data from 2019. It is misleading.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:09 am

@maint123 possibly due to the virus effect at Tokyo, the fares cud be cheap(?)
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:10 am

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I recently spoke to a a Revenue Management Analyst from AA and she said they had no plans to start to MAA or HYD. They(the team based in DFW) were never interested at the MAA market. They primarly focus only on DEL/BOM/BLR. She said that HYD has the numbers but no yields and MAA is looked only at for the cargo but do not provide te numbers like BOM/DEL/BLR. She said they are not looking at any new destinations other than DEL/BOM/BLR as of now. Cud change in the near future if the yields increase from HYD.

Very good info! I do know that even UA's RMAs have looked at HYD closely in the past. The problem for US3 airlines is that there really is no FF base in HYD for Star Alliance and Sky Team. Star Alliance is really big in India but in HYD there are awfully behind the ME3. When there is no FF base, much of the tickets tend to get sold through consolidators or online metasearch engines as opposed to the Airlines directly or Corporate Travel Networks. Ofcourse, you've also got to deal with the ME3 - their cheap fares and competitive schedules.

AA is possibly in better shape to start HYD possibly because BA has been flying there for years. But, they will still, just like any other US carrier starting HYD, will have a lot of work cut out.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:11 am

sand26391 wrote:
@edeal That's at a Tech Park at BLR, not in BLR airport.

Check this out though.... this is their presentation at sfo bay area sites. Baffles me with the kind of clout they are proposing for the BLR-SFO route, even though i know that the bay area is #1 unserved market of BLR.

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Don't know how JAL service compares to CX, if it is comparable it will eat into their lunch!

By the way JAL first flight out of BLR is on Mar 30th morning.
from star dust....
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:59 am

Depends on the flights
CX> JL for First/Business only
JL> KA
and CX insists on sending KA to BLR- such a stupid move on their part
HKG> Haneda plus CX lounges are way better than JAL
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:10 pm

Avg Passenger Loads at BLR in JAN 2020 for the following airlines:-

1) QATAR AIRWAYS (B77W/A333/B77L)
DOH-BLR= 86.85%
BLR-DOH= 96.39%

2) AIR FRANCE(B77W/B772)
CDG-BLR= 83.76%
BLR-CDG= 94.79%

3) BRITISH AIRWAYS(A350-1000)
LHR-BLR= 80.25%
BLR-LHR= 95.09%

4) KLM(B787-9)
AMS-BLR= 89.74%
BLR-AMS= 94.24%

5) LUFTHANSA(B747-8)
FRA-BLR= 81.79%
BLR-FRA= 95.06%
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:29 pm

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Depends on the flights
CX> JL for First/Business only
JL> KA
and CX insists on sending KA to BLR- such a stupid move on their part
HKG> Haneda plus CX lounges are way better than JAL

JAL economy won a sky track award. In addition, all JAL long haul have typically 1 less seat in each row in economy, so 8 across on a 787 vs 9 for others, or 9 across for a 777 versus 10 for Cathay and others.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:33 pm

sand26391 wrote:
@edeal That's at a Tech Park at BLR, not in BLR airport.

Check this out though.... this is their presentation at sfo bay area sites. Baffles me with the kind of clout they are proposing for the BLR-SFO route, even though i know that the bay area is #1 unserved market of BLR.

Image

Thanks
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:43 pm

sand26391 wrote:
Avg Passenger Loads at BLR in JAN 2020 for the following airlines:-

1) QATAR AIRWAYS (B77W/A333/B77L)
DOH-BLR= 86.85%
BLR-DOH= 96.39%

2) AIR FRANCE(B77W/B772)
CDG-BLR= 83.76%
BLR-CDG= 94.79%

3) BRITISH AIRWAYS(A350-1000)
LHR-BLR= 80.25%
BLR-LHR= 95.09%

4) KLM(B787-9)
AMS-BLR= 89.74%
BLR-AMS= 94.24%

5) LUFTHANSA(B747-8)
FRA-BLR= 81.79%
BLR-FRA= 95.06%


Thanks for this good information. I suspect the strong numbers out of BLR as those compared to coming in, reflect people returning to the western world, and gulf, after the Christmas and new year vacations.

Separately, as a suggestion, when presenting this level of statistics, it is always better to round to the nearest whole percentage (as opposed to 2 decimal places). The reason is that the audience is better able to retain and recollect a whole percentage ( the decimals are a distraction). Even If the info were presented to airline executives, I would round to just 1 decimal.

Thank you once again for the really insightful info you post on this forum. You are our BLR guru and looking forward to more great stuff from you.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 1:47 pm

sand26391 wrote:
Avg Passenger Loads at BLR in JAN 2020 for the following airlines:-

1) QATAR AIRWAYS (B77W/A333/B77L)
DOH-BLR= 86.85%
BLR-DOH= 96.39%

2) AIR FRANCE(B77W/B772)
CDG-BLR= 83.76%
BLR-CDG= 94.79%

3) BRITISH AIRWAYS(A350-1000)
LHR-BLR= 80.25%
BLR-LHR= 95.09%

4) KLM(B787-9)
AMS-BLR= 89.74%
BLR-AMS= 94.24%

5) LUFTHANSA(B747-8)
FRA-BLR= 81.79%
BLR-FRA= 95.06%


Thanks for this good information. I suspect the strong numbers out of BLR as those compared to coming in, reflect people returning to the western world, and gulf, after the Christmas and new year vacations.

Separately, as a suggestion, when presenting this level of statistics, it is always better to round to the nearest whole percentage (as opposed to 2 decimal places). The reason is that the audience is better able to retain and recollect a whole percentage ( the decimals are a distraction). Even If the info were presented to airline executives, I would round to just 1 decimal.

Thank you once again for the really insightful info you post on this forum. You are our BLR guru and looking forward to more great stuff from you.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:03 pm

Done, I would have rounded it upto the nearest whole number. But thought this would be kinda more ... legitimate. I cud have posted the daily numbers, but the post gets deleted by the mods.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:17 pm

sand26391 wrote:
Come 2021 hopefully things will change, ive heard rumors that there will exclusive airline/alliance lounge(s) once T2 opens.
QR's J is almost full on most days, except in non peak travel month like this month (FEB). The loads have been 70-80% for pas 45 days.
The BLR DOH route is one of the highest revenue making route for QR in South Asia.
Im actually surprised, I was thinking the loads on AF will come down as KLM operates 3x weekly but I was completely wrong. TAF and KLM have been doing excellent. With AF deploying 381 seater B77W on a daily basis for past 3 months.



Recently flew on QR to BLR, but the economy fare from USA to BLR on QR at least is much lower than the fare to BOM or HYD or MAA. So I actually flew to BOM via BLR, it was $300 less expensive. So the likes of QR are filling the economy class with low fares, the business class appeared to be nearly full though.

And I agree MAA does not have the numbers or sufficient yields (may be better than HYD), while HYD has the numbers, but not enough yields, but when A321LR starts deliveries to LH, then they might start a flight to HYD.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:07 pm

TOP 10 US-INDIA airport pairs

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For more:- https://www.anna.aero/2020/02/18/americ ... r-seattle/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:36 pm

Interesting analysis from anna.aero:

1) American Airlines to start Seattle – Bangalore; big connectivity over Seattle
https://www.anna.aero/2020/02/18/americ ... r-seattle/

2) North America – India has 6.9 million passengers; Canada ~1/4 of market
https://www.anna.aero/2020/02/18/north- ... of-market/

Also this:

" "Bangalore is one of Amazon’s top three business-travel markets" said Brett Catlin, Alaska’s head of network planning and alliances
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/18/airline ... r=sharebar
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:08 pm

sand26391 wrote:
TOP 10 US-INDIA airport pairs

Image

For more:- https://www.anna.aero/2020/02/18/americ ... r-seattle/


I would change the title to North America-India pairs, don’t think the Canadians would take to kindly to being lumped in with the US. Would love to see what are top city pairs from Kerala to NA.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:40 pm

Oops, my bad on the error!
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:25 pm

sand26391 wrote:
TOP 10 US-INDIA airport pairs

Image

For more:- https://www.anna.aero/2020/02/18/americ ... r-seattle/
Interesting, looks like Delhi-LA is the largest unserved (direct) pair. Many people have been saying it is BLR-SFO but thats slightly behind.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:47 pm

sand26391 wrote:

1) American Airlines to start Seattle – Bangalore; big connectivity over Seattle
https://www.anna.aero/2020/02/18/americ ... r-seattle/


DEL - ORD = 250,002
DEL - JFK = 248,976
BOM - EWR = 247,950

Shouldn't these be exactly the same (342 x 7 x 52)? Or are we looking at some Balakot related disruptions/anomalies in the numbers?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:57 pm

VTORD wrote:
sand26391 wrote:

1) American Airlines to start Seattle – Bangalore; big connectivity over Seattle
https://www.anna.aero/2020/02/18/americ ... r-seattle/


DEL - ORD = 250,002
DEL - JFK = 248,976
BOM - EWR = 247,950

Shouldn't these be exactly the same (342 x 7 x 52)? Or are we looking at some Balakot related disruptions/anomalies in the numbers?


What on earth are Balakot related disruptions/anomalies?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:20 pm

TEMPO wrote:
VTORD wrote:
sand26391 wrote:

1) American Airlines to start Seattle – Bangalore; big connectivity over Seattle
https://www.anna.aero/2020/02/18/americ ... r-seattle/


DEL - ORD = 250,002
DEL - JFK = 248,976
BOM - EWR = 247,950

Shouldn't these be exactly the same (342 x 7 x 52)? Or are we looking at some Balakot related disruptions/anomalies in the numbers?


What on earth are Balakot related disruptions/anomalies?


He probably means the airspace closures which I am sure had some impact but AI did not actually cancel too many flights. I believe these number variations are probably, flight cancellations or delays that are unrelated to the airspace closure. The real question is why for DEL-ORD 2*(342*7*52) as well as 2*(342*365) gives a number in the range of 248,000 but the number is actually 250,002. When did they operate more than 1 flight or even utilise more seats? The 77W is their biggest aircraft. (250,002/2)/365=342.46 which means they filled 343 seats on a 342 seater plan every single day on an average.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:30 pm

airboss787 wrote:
TEMPO wrote:
VTORD wrote:
DEL - ORD = 250,002
DEL - JFK = 248,976
BOM - EWR = 247,950

Shouldn't these be exactly the same (342 x 7 x 52)? Or are we looking at some Balakot related disruptions/anomalies in the numbers?


What on earth are Balakot related disruptions/anomalies?


He probably means the airspace closures which I am sure had some impact but AI did not actually cancel too many flights. I believe these number variations are probably, flight cancellations or delays that are unrelated to the airspace closure. The real question is why for DEL-ORD 2*(342*7*52) as well as 2*(342*365) gives a number in the range of 248,000 but the number is actually 250,002. When did they operate more than 1 flight or even utilise more seats? The 77W is their biggest aircraft. (250,002/2)/365=342.46 which means they filled 343 seats on a 342 seater plan every single day on an average.


Thanks. I was thinking of discrepancies along the lines of Wuhan and the coronavirus, but yes, I remember the airspace closures last year.

The usual reason for such discrepancies that I’ve heard is the inclusion of babies / infants who add to the flight’s head count, but don’t occupy seats. Indian flights do have a lot of those, but I have no way of knowing whether that was the case here. Just speculating.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:46 pm

TEMPO wrote:
airboss787 wrote:
TEMPO wrote:

What on earth are Balakot related disruptions/anomalies?


He probably means the airspace closures which I am sure had some impact but AI did not actually cancel too many flights. I believe these number variations are probably, flight cancellations or delays that are unrelated to the airspace closure. The real question is why for DEL-ORD 2*(342*7*52) as well as 2*(342*365) gives a number in the range of 248,000 but the number is actually 250,002. When did they operate more than 1 flight or even utilise more seats? The 77W is their biggest aircraft. (250,002/2)/365=342.46 which means they filled 343 seats on a 342 seater plan every single day on an average.


Thanks. I was thinking of discrepancies along the lines of Wuhan and the coronavirus, but yes, I remember the airspace closures last year.

The usual reason for such discrepancies that I’ve heard is the inclusion of babies / infants who add to the flight’s head count, but don’t occupy seats. Indian flights do have a lot of those, but I have no way of knowing whether that was the case here. Just speculating.


I just find these numbers hard to believe because it means AI had 100% occupancy on all DEL-ORD flights all year and was carrying 5 babies PER FLIGHT EVERY FLIGHT on an average that weren't occupying seats. Unless I am missing something, even JFK-DEL numbers seem to be pushing it. If they had 100% load factor all year round, they would be better off starting another DEL-ORD rather than anything else.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:47 pm

Jet Airways bidding given yet another extension as a party with a LinkedIn profile expresses potential interest

O’brother. Only in India...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livemi ... 71318.html
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 10:59 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Jet Airways bidding given yet another extension as a party with a LinkedIn profile expresses potential interest

O’brother. Only in India...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.livemi ... 71318.html



Business Standard newspaper provides more info on the Russian Funds bid
“ The idea behind the bid is to explore developing Moscow and St. Petersburg as hubs for India-Europe and India-US traffic. The fund is also keen to introduce Russian civil aircraft like Sukhoi SuperJet 100 in the Indian market, said a source”
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:05 pm

TEMPO wrote:
airboss787 wrote:

He probably means the airspace closures which I am sure had some impact but AI did not actually cancel too many flights. I believe these number variations are probably, flight cancellations or delays that are unrelated to the airspace closure. The real question is why for DEL-ORD 2*(342*7*52) as well as 2*(342*365) gives a number in the range of 248,000 but the number is actually 250,002. When did they operate more than 1 flight or even utilise more seats? The 77W is their biggest aircraft. (250,002/2)/365=342.46 which means they filled 343 seats on a 342 seater plan every single day on an average.


Thanks. I was thinking of discrepancies along the lines of Wuhan and the coronavirus, but yes, I remember the airspace closures last year.

Yes that is what I meant - the Pak airspace closures.


airboss787 wrote:
I just find these numbers hard to believe because it means AI had 100% occupancy on all DEL-ORD flights all year and was carrying 5 babies PER FLIGHT EVERY FLIGHT on an average that weren't occupying seats. Unless I am missing something, even JFK-DEL numbers seem to be pushing it. If they had 100% load factor all year round, they would be better off starting another DEL-ORD rather than anything else.

I think these are seats for sale not pax carried and that's why i am curious as to why these 3 routes have different numbers.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:07 pm

IndiGo shelves plan to launch dual-aisle flights to Europe
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economic ... 183403.cms

India’s largest carrier IndiGo has abandoned plans to launch long-haul international flights on dual-aisle Airbus 330 aircraft as it is likely to start flights to Europe and London on a single-aisle Airbus 321XLR (extralong range) aircraft set to join its fleet by 2023-24.

Indigo would love to launch more flights to Turkey but is constrained by the bilateral which is restricted because India, which is a democracy, doesn’t want Turkey to use its democratic right to freely express its opinion. Democracy, apparently, is a one way street.

Meanwhile Indigo is planning to start flights to Russia. Which Russian city can be reached on IndiGo’s existing aircraft?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:10 pm

Singapore cuts flights to India over caronavirus

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thehin ... 3.ece/amp/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:13 pm

VTORD wrote:

airboss787 wrote:
I just find these numbers hard to believe because it means AI had 100% occupancy on all DEL-ORD flights all year and was carrying 5 babies PER FLIGHT EVERY FLIGHT on an average that weren't occupying seats. Unless I am missing something, even JFK-DEL numbers seem to be pushing it. If they had 100% load factor all year round, they would be better off starting another DEL-ORD rather than anything else.

I think these are seats for sale not pax carried and that's why i am curious as to why these 3 routes have different numbers.


You are probably right then. Maybe for a few cancellations which may have made these numbers different. But yes, I do smell some errors here. Another thing was, even if these are seats, the 250,002 number for DEL-ORD is also incorrect because 2*(342*365) is not equal to 250,002.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:54 am

edealinfo wrote:
IndiGo shelves plan to launch dual-aisle flights to Europe
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economic ... 183403.cms

India’s largest carrier IndiGo has abandoned plans to launch long-haul international flights on dual-aisle Airbus 330 aircraft as it is likely to start flights to Europe and London on a single-aisle Airbus 321XLR (extralong range) aircraft set to join its fleet by 2023-24.

Indigo would love to launch more flights to Turkey but is constrained by the bilateral which is restricted because India, which is a democracy, doesn’t want Turkey to use its democratic right to freely express its opinion. Democracy, apparently, is a one way street.

Meanwhile Indigo is planning to start flights to Russia. Which Russian city can be reached on IndiGo’s existing aircraft?

Please refrain from political posturing in aviation forums
 
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:16 am

unnayan wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
IndiGo shelves plan to launch dual-aisle flights to Europe
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economic ... 183403.cms

India’s largest carrier IndiGo has abandoned plans to launch long-haul international flights on dual-aisle Airbus 330 aircraft as it is likely to start flights to Europe and London on a single-aisle Airbus 321XLR (extralong range) aircraft set to join its fleet by 2023-24.

Indigo would love to launch more flights to Turkey but is constrained by the bilateral which is restricted because India, which is a democracy, doesn’t want Turkey to use its democratic right to freely express its opinion. Democracy, apparently, is a one way street.

Meanwhile Indigo is planning to start flights to Russia. Which Russian city can be reached on IndiGo’s existing aircraft?

Please refrain from political posturing in aviation forums


Just stating a fact.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:37 am

SATexan wrote:
subramak1 wrote:
Economy wise MAA is still bigger, it is more diversified with a bigger manufacturing base.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... per_capita


The link you have posted suggests data from 2013-14 as data from 2019. It is misleading.


Thanks for catching. I did not see that. However I would be surprised if the numbers have changed drastically in 5 years as Chennai had a 30% head start.

will check with another source for more accurate numbers

KK
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 11:51 am

subramak1 wrote:
SATexan wrote:
subramak1 wrote:
Economy wise MAA is still bigger, it is more diversified with a bigger manufacturing base.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_I ... per_capita


The link you have posted suggests data from 2013-14 as data from 2019. It is misleading.


Thanks for catching. I did not see that. However I would be surprised if the numbers have changed drastically in 5 years as Chennai had a 30% head start.

will check with another source for more accurate numbers

KK


That apart from being old, that is GDP per capita.
BLR'S GDP total and Income Tax contribution has eclipsed Chennai for years now.
BLR's expansion should not really be a shock considering the crazy growth in the last 2 decades.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:26 pm

sibibom wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
unnayan wrote:
Please refrain from political posturing in aviation forums


Just stating a fact.


And how does this "so called" great democracy react to any country mentioning the Armenian Genocide? Pot calling kettle black....


Excellent point but what you are just confirming is that India is just like Turkey. Both claim democracy but then react strongly when independents say other wise. I wouldn’t take India stopping to the same standard as Turkey as a compliment.

I am just responding to your comment. Let’s not get into politics although this is somewhat related to India’s denial of additional flying rights to Turkey because of comments made by the Turkish President.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:02 pm

edealinfo wrote:
sibibom wrote:
edealinfo wrote:

Just stating a fact.


And how does this "so called" great democracy react to any country mentioning the Armenian Genocide? Pot calling kettle black....


Excellent point but what you are just confirming is that India is just like Turkey. Both claim democracy but then react strongly when independents say other wise. I wouldn’t take India stopping to the same standard as Turkey as a compliment.

I am just responding to your comment. Let’s not get into politics although this is somewhat related to India’s denial of additional flying rights to Turkey because of comments made by the Turkish President.


Off course you don't give bilateral flying rights to countries who challenge your state policies in UN openly... Not exactly rocket science to fathom...

There.. you drew us to a non political discussion... :white:
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:30 pm

edealinfo wrote:
sibibom wrote:
edealinfo wrote:

Just stating a fact.


And how does this "so called" great democracy react to any country mentioning the Armenian Genocide? Pot calling kettle black....


Excellent point but what you are just confirming is that India is just like Turkey. Both claim democracy but then react strongly when independents say other wise. I wouldn’t take India stopping to the same standard as Turkey as a compliment.

I am just responding to your comment. Let’s not get into politics although this is somewhat related to India’s denial of additional flying rights to Turkey because of comments made by the Turkish President.


Why should India bother to expand bilaterals with Turkey, they get nothing in return. With the middle east cities, at least there is a labor force contributing to a decent O & D. With Turkey, there is none.

In fact they should restrict Indigo/Turkey code share to only smaller cities in India which are not served by ME3. India does not interfere with Turkey's politics and its dealings with various countries. Indigo will be smarter to go with Qatar rather than TK.
 
Malayil
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:41 pm

Don’t have any love lost for the Turks trying to get more access to India. Though I do find the policies of this government absolutely ridiculous. But anyway, I hope India will liberalise the Dubai bilateral, since it’s basically full.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:07 pm

hohd wrote:
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In fact they should restrict Indigo/Turkey code share to only smaller cities in India which are not served by ME3. India does not interfere with Turkey's politics and its dealings with various countries. Indigo will be smarter to go with Qatar rather than TK.


Yes if TK is hungry, feed them with routes to 2nd/3rd Tier cities. It will unlock traffic to C/S Europe.

Why mix politics with business.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:38 am

vadodara wrote:
hohd wrote:
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In fact they should restrict Indigo/Turkey code share to only smaller cities in India which are not served by ME3. India does not interfere with Turkey's politics and its dealings with various countries. Indigo will be smarter to go with Qatar rather than TK.


Yes if TK is hungry, feed them with routes to 2nd/3rd Tier cities. It will unlock traffic to C/S Europe.

Why mix politics with business.

Expanding traffic with Turkey will benefit INdian airlines as well. If you give 14x additional weekly rights, both Turkish and Indigo will utilize it. It’s not like these things are one sided any longer. Also, Turkish connects to more cities than any another airline on this planet which means greater connections for Indians and those wishing to travel to India; the customer benefits.

Those that argue for no additional rights are assuming there will be a winner in the Moody - erdogan battle. Fat chance of that happening as both are of the same mold. The people of the both the countries shouldn’t have to suffer for the sake of politicians. Supporting these so called nationalist politicians would further entrench them in their hardcore undemocratic positions.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:07 am

edealinfo wrote:
vadodara wrote:
hohd wrote:
.
In fact they should restrict Indigo/Turkey code share to only smaller cities in India which are not served by ME3. India does not interfere with Turkey's politics and its dealings with various countries. Indigo will be smarter to go with Qatar rather than TK.


Yes if TK is hungry, feed them with routes to 2nd/3rd Tier cities. It will unlock traffic to C/S Europe.

Why mix politics with business.

Expanding traffic with Turkey will benefit INdian airlines as well. If you give 14x additional weekly rights, both Turkish and Indigo will utilize it. It’s not like these things are one sided any longer. Also, Turkish connects to more cities than any another airline on this planet which means greater connections for Indians and those wishing to travel to India; the customer benefits.

Those that argue for no additional rights are assuming there will be a winner in the Moody - erdogan battle. Fat chance of that happening as both are of the same mold. The people of the both the countries shouldn’t have to suffer for the sake of politicians. Supporting these so called nationalist politicians would further entrench them in their hardcore undemocratic positions.


You are right because 14x 777-300ER = 14x A320 / A321..... hats off
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:13 am

vadodara wrote:
hohd wrote:
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In fact they should restrict Indigo/Turkey code share to only smaller cities in India which are not served by ME3. India does not interfere with Turkey's politics and its dealings with various countries. Indigo will be smarter to go with Qatar rather than TK.


Yes if TK is hungry, feed them with routes to 2nd/3rd Tier cities. It will unlock traffic to C/S Europe.

Why mix politics with business.


True.. let us have open trade with Pakistan as well.. because why mix politics with Business?

Trade restrictions and sanctions are part of state policies of any powerful state... or else Iran would have had a fleet of 100 Boeing and 100 Airbus aircrafts by now....

It is still better than gifting 5 777-200LR at throw away price to a competitor on a platter by a so called sensible government.....
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 6:58 am

vadodara wrote:
Why mix politics with business.


So no more sanctions?

We should have daily scheduled flights between JFK and IKA, LAX and FNJ, BOM and KHI...

Wow...
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:48 pm

I see several persons support the environment of sanctions And all. O’bother. I assume they think their so called nationalistic and Dear Leader, leaders, will give them a utopia they crave. Well dream on then.

With regard to Turkey and India bilateral, I have long advocated for the frequencies to be be changed to “ seats” which would allow Indigo to operate 5 to 6 narrow bodies and Turkish 3. Why would Turkey accept such a deal? First, the seats would be the same on both sides and second, Turkey can operate a third flight from their current two, won win on both sides and customers. The losers are the Dear Leader fans.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:41 pm

Some people here, in their inherent hate for dear leader and zero experience in state policies or aviation rules have turned this post in to a political forum....

Sometimes Ignorance is bliss.. one can remain in their bubble
 
Malayil
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:57 pm

edealinfo wrote:
I see several persons support the environment of sanctions And all. O’bother. I assume they think their so called nationalistic and Dear Leader, leaders, will give them a utopia they crave. Well dream on then.

With regard to Turkey and India bilateral, I have long advocated for the frequencies to be be changed to “ seats” which would allow Indigo to operate 5 to 6 narrow bodies and Turkish 3. Why would Turkey accept such a deal? First, the seats would be the same on both sides and second, Turkey can operate a third flight from their current two, won win on both sides and customers. The losers are the Dear Leader fans.


Actually that's quite sensible. And I agree with you politically, its good you're bringing different viewpoints to people who otherwise would never hear them.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:58 pm

unnayan wrote:
vadodara wrote:
hohd wrote:
.
In fact they should restrict Indigo/Turkey code share to only smaller cities in India which are not served by ME3. India does not interfere with Turkey's politics and its dealings with various countries. Indigo will be smarter to go with Qatar rather than TK.


Yes if TK is hungry, feed them with routes to 2nd/3rd Tier cities. It will unlock traffic to C/S Europe.

Why mix politics with business.


True.. let us have open trade with Pakistan as well.. because why mix politics with Business?

Trade restrictions and sanctions are part of state policies of any powerful state... or else Iran would have had a fleet of 100 Boeing and 100 Airbus aircrafts by now....

It is still better than gifting 5 777-200LR at throw away price to a competitor on a platter by a so called sensible government.....


By your reckoning stop sending H1B guys to US as a protest to Trumps policies. Mark of a strong nation eh!
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 8:48 pm

Indigo and Air India, fearful of the caronavirus, won’t operate flights To China through June 2020
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofi ... 229262.cms
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - February 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:22 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Indigo and Air India, fearful of the caronavirus, won’t operate flights To China through June 2020
https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.timesofi ... 229262.cms


In the same article, SQ and CX cited weak demand for cutting or halting frequencies. I looked for signs of fear on the part of Indigo and Air India, but could find none.
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