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Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:29 pm

Is the 744 the last jumbo with silver belly ?

I found this picture and if I´m not wrong, Varig also used bare metal for the belly. Only a few 744 wore those elegant silver bellies. A pity we see this no more...



Is there any reason behind? I know that new airplanes are made mostly of composite, so we will see it no more. But I had no idea the 744 could also have silver belly..By the way, it looks absolutely stunning.
 
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:47 pm

JAL Cargo had two 744s that were almost completely bare metal.
 
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:21 pm

Depends on what you define as "jumbo"
If you just mean 747s, then yeah, seeing as it's the second to last one.

If you mean widebodies, then no:
Delta 764ERs and AeroMexico 772ERs in their original livery, are two easy examples off the top of my head. There's plenty of others.
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:22 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Depends on what you define as "jumbo"

If you just mean 747s, then yeah, seeing as it's the second to last one.

If you mean widebodies, then no.

Delta 764ERs and AeroMexico 772ERs in their original livery, are two easy examples off the top of my head. There's plenty of others.


The UA "Battleship" C/S also involved two unpainted strips on the belly of all aircraft so painted.
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:23 pm

An of course the AA 747s were bare metal all over.
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Sun Feb 02, 2020 9:33 pm

SQ773 wrote:
Is the 744 the last jumbo with silver belly ?

I found this picture and if I´m not wrong, Varig also used bare metal for the belly. Only a few 744 wore those elegant silver bellies. A pity we see this no more...


At least, there's another 744 that had the silver belly and more...

 
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Sun Feb 02, 2020 10:57 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Depends on what you define as "jumbo"
If you just mean 747s, then yeah, seeing as it's the second to last one.

If you mean widebodies, then no:
Delta 764ERs and AeroMexico 772ERs in their original livery, are two easy examples off the top of my head. There's plenty of others.


DL 777s in the Ronald Allen colors also had a bare metal belly. I’m not sure what the OP is getting at...

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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:14 pm

Hate this thing of calling general widebodies as "Jumbos"... when someone say "i've flown on a Pan Am Jumbo back in 1980s", I simply can't think of a PA DC-10 or L-1011 :duck:

Anyway, answering the OP: Yes, the 747-400 could have polished fuselage:
JAL Cargo and Cathay Pacific Cargo operated freighter 744s in "Silver Bullet" schemes, all polished.

As stated before, Varig, SAA and Northwest also had polished bellies in them.
I believe Cathay Pacific also had polished belly on the 747-400, in the old green livery.
I wonder when people will understand:
Embraer 190 or simply E190, not ERJ-190. E-Jets are NOT ERJs!
Boeing 747-8, not Boeing 747-800. Same goes for 787.
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:21 pm

leleko747 wrote:
Hate this thing of calling general widebodies as "Jumbos"... when someone say "i've flown on a Pan Am Jumbo back in 1980s", I simply can't think of a PA DC-10 or L-1011 :duck:


I was under the impression that Boeing hated the Jumbo moniker for the 747.

SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
At least, there's another 744 that had the silver belly and more...



Not sure why, but I really like this old NW livery, even though it has got to be one of, if not the laziest livery out there.

A quick question - can the A380 do polished silver belly?
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:49 pm

TheFlyingDisk wrote:
I was under the impression that Boeing hated the Jumbo moniker for the 747.


Never heard about this but, if true, too bad! Even Air France had the "Jumbo" titles applied to one of their 747s.

I wonder when people will understand:
Embraer 190 or simply E190, not ERJ-190. E-Jets are NOT ERJs!
Boeing 747-8, not Boeing 747-800. Same goes for 787.
Airbus A320, not Airbus 320.
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:19 am

leleko747 wrote:
TheFlyingDisk wrote:
I was under the impression that Boeing hated the Jumbo moniker for the 747.


Never heard about this but, if true, too bad! Even Air France had the "Jumbo" titles applied to one of their 747s.


[thread drift]I preferred UTA’s Big Boss:

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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:30 am

There is only one Jumbo, the 747

Love the bare metal, polished lower fuselage as well, especially when well maintained and polished regularly


Many operators like NW with this type of livery let it go and it looked pretty crummy as the bare metal would dull with age
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Mon Feb 03, 2020 2:26 am

VirginFlyer wrote:
[thread drift]I preferred UTA’s Big Boss:

[/thread drift]

V/F


The Big Boss has a much nicer ring than Jumbo, in my opinion!
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:26 am

I dunno if Boeing hated the term or not but they did not come up with it. IIRC it was bestowed on the 747 by the media.
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:14 am

I’m pretty sure Boeing didn’t mind the term, they used it themselves, it was a very affectionate term for a universally loved aircraft known as a big gentle giant
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:37 am

Add Air India to the 744 list.
 
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:48 am

eta unknown wrote:
Add Air India to the 744 list.


Great catch indeed, totally forgot about them! :boggled:
I wonder when people will understand:
Embraer 190 or simply E190, not ERJ-190. E-Jets are NOT ERJs!
Boeing 747-8, not Boeing 747-800. Same goes for 787.
Airbus A320, not Airbus 320.
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:17 pm

Max Q wrote:
There is only one Jumbo, the 747


I grew up with the notion of Jumbo or Jumbo Jet referred to the 747. We talked about the Jumbo, not 747.


However, even before the 747 flew, Jumbo Jet was already used, at least by one airline, Flying Tigers. They had bare metal DC-8-63s with billboard "Jumbo Jet" titles

leleko747 wrote:
Even Air France had the "Jumbo" titles applied to one of their 747s.


This was a short-lived attempt by AF to cater for traffic to some French overseas territories with a high-density low jumbo fares.
 
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:32 pm

Were they really bare metal or did they have a clear lacquer protection?
 
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:03 pm

Wingtips56 wrote:
An of course the AA 747s were bare metal all over.


Oh yes, and they were beautiful!
 
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Re: Bare metal or silver belly on 747-400

Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:48 pm

DocLightning wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Depends on what you define as "jumbo"

If you just mean 747s, then yeah, seeing as it's the second to last one.

If you mean widebodies, then no.

Delta 764ERs and AeroMexico 772ERs in their original livery, are two easy examples off the top of my head. There's plenty of others.


The UA "Battleship" C/S also involved two unpainted strips on the belly of all aircraft so painted.


The Continental/post-merger United livery also has bare metal on the underside of the fuselage of some aircraft.

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