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AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:39 pm

Reported in sapnish media, AC departing MAD for YYZ had damge in an engine and landing gear (reportedly lost a tyre). Have been circling MAD airspace for two hours. Lots of emergency service on the ground at MAD

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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:52 pm

Its the left engine as per the following picture

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https://twitter.com/J_Merino_B/status/1 ... 40608?s=20
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:56 pm

Didn't know there were still 763s flying for AC, thought they had all gone to Rouge.
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 3:59 pm

Onboard they have said its a gear issue, circling to burn off fuel to reduce landing weight

https://twitter.com/TomPodolec/status/1 ... 88161?s=20
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:07 pm

Why wouldn't they go out somewhere appropriate and dump fuel vs circling for a few hours to burn it off?
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:08 pm

ASMVPGOLD wrote:
Why wouldn't they go out somewhere appropriate and dump fuel vs circling for a few hours to burn it off?

Some 763 aircraft don't have the capability to dump fuel. I don't know about this particular aircraft.
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:10 pm

More than 2 hours in the air.....doesn't look good

Hope it ends safely for pax and crews onboard, my prays.
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:10 pm

Maybe a drone attack!!!

MAD operations partially stopped due to suspected drone activity
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:12 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
More than 2 hours in the air.....doesn't look good

Hope it ends safely for pax and crews onboard, my prays.

What exactly does not look good, if I may ask?
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:15 pm

I can't imagine...circling for hours on likely one engine. Surprised they just don't land overweight? But if the gear is damaged you want those tanks as empty as you can get them.
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:16 pm

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More than 2 hours in the air.....


I am sure they are trying to burn the fuel as quickly as possible.
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:20 pm

TrafficCop wrote:
Maybe a drone attack!!!

MAD operations partially stopped due to suspected drone activity


Do you have sources for this?
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:22 pm

For the layman, are there ways to be less fuel efficient to effectively burn off fuel faster?
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:23 pm

There are 130 passengers onboard, the following link also has a live feed of the airport though the quality is poor

https://lopezdoriga.com/internacional/a ... s-a-bordo/
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:25 pm

FlyThiz wrote:
TrafficCop wrote:
Maybe a drone attack!!!

MAD operations partially stopped due to suspected drone activity


Do you have sources for this?

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/0 ... rport.html
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:28 pm

Direct & live video feed from Madrid Barajas waiting for the landing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PaAAzkWE7M
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:28 pm

FlyThiz wrote:
TrafficCop wrote:
Maybe a drone attack!!!

MAD operations partially stopped due to suspected drone activity


Do you have sources for this?


The OP's source is in Spanish. It says ops are stopped at Barajas for drone activity. The source says there was a landing gear failure, and that parts damaged the engine and could be seen falling to the ground after takeoff. There is no insinuation in the article, though, that the original source was contact with a drone. I am guessing high speed tire failure if the descriptions in El Independiente are correct.
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:29 pm

airkas1 wrote:
FlyThiz wrote:
TrafficCop wrote:
Maybe a drone attack!!!

MAD operations partially stopped due to suspected drone activity


Do you have sources for this?

https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2020/0 ... rport.html


Thank you.

I see the restrictions were lifted at 14:15 local time and the flight left at 14:57 local time. I'm not saying couldn't have been a drone, there is nearly 45 minutes from the restriction lift and departure. Anything is possible at this stage.
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:30 pm

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Didn't know there were still 763s flying for AC, thought they had all gone to Rouge.

The 767s were to be retired from the fleet at the end of last year.

The MAX grounding has left Air Canada to extend and delay the retirement of several aircraft in the fleet, the 767 included. As it stands, they still have to wet lease wide body aircraft from Air Transat and Omni International.

There are 5 767s left in the fleet, including this one; FIN 685, C-GHOZ.
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:36 pm

I assume this 767 can not dump fuel?
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:37 pm

In Cadena Ser (Spanish radio) they broadcasted the pilot saying a tyre blew up and damaged the engine.
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:37 pm

Yikes, terrible!! I hope this ends well.
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:38 pm

brunoguemes wrote:
In Cadena Ser (Spanish radio) they broadcasted the pilot saying a tyre blew up and damaged the engine.


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Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:38 pm

IFlyVeryLittle wrote:
For the layman, are there ways to be less fuel efficient to effectively burn off fuel faster?



It would need to have some drag producing devices out. For example they could do this with gear down and flaps out which would typically burn more fuel than on a clean aircraft (i.e. gear up and flaps up).
However, if experiencing difficulties, you might not want to play with the configuration all that much to not make matters worse. This is considering we cannot confirm that actual extent of the emergency/damages at this point.
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:38 pm

MrBretz wrote:
I assume this 767 can not dump fuel?


Here http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commer ... eldump.pdf
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:41 pm

Appealing to smarter minds than mine to confrim or reject this notion - if a blow tire caused engine damage, given the location of the main gear (behind the engines) would it be reasonable to conclude the blown tire was on the nose gear?
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:42 pm

dcajet wrote:
Direct & live video feed from Madrid Barajas waiting for the landing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PaAAzkWE7M



Thank you for this, quite funny to watch the camera man zoom in on every plane thinking its AC837. Prayers for a safe return
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:42 pm

According to this Twitter message, the expected landing time is 19:30. That's in 1h50 from now.
https://twitter.com/duque_de_gomez/stat ... 8001168384
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:44 pm

marcoj wrote:
MrBretz wrote:
I assume this 767 can not dump fuel?


Here http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commer ... eldump.pdf


I found that. It was the ** that had me ask the question. But since they have been right hand race tracking this long, I presume it can’t.
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:44 pm

According to another pilot, they are reporting an indication of fire in the landing gear

https://twitter.com/Fjlopezm/status/1224359684158693376
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:44 pm

According to a Spanish Radio station (Cadena SER) an F-18 will fly alongside the 767 to assess damage

https://twitter.com/La_SER/status/1224370012103806994
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:45 pm

https://www.airlive.net/breaking-air-ca ... ft-engine/
The article features a short video of the climbout. At around 0:06 you can see a flame at the back of the left engine. All wheels seem to be accounted for, although their condition can't be seen.
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:50 pm

On rtv.es live from MAD
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:51 pm

Is it still on fire? I would assume that would have all been extinguished by now.
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:52 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
I can't imagine...circling for hours on likely one engine. Surprised they just don't land overweight? But if the gear is damaged you want those tanks as empty as you can get them.


You typically don't screw around landing overweight if you already have reports of damage to landing gear, especially if the rest of the aircraft systems are stable. We're all talking about this from our chairs, the pilots in the aircraft have the best view of the situation and call the shots.

Landing overweight can be risky in any situation. Doing it with one engine inoperable, and unknown gear issues, is just too many risks at once if they are doing ok otherwise. Of course they won't carry on back to Toronto, but they aren't going to rush landing the thing and potentially having a gear collapse on a flaming engine with wings full of fuel.
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:53 pm

GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:
Is it still on fire? I would assume that would have all been extinguished by now.


I would assume as much, since overweight landings can be done when necessary (e.g., fire).
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:53 pm

MTato wrote:
According to another pilot, they are reporting an indication of fire in the landing gear

https://twitter.com/Fjlopezm/status/1224359684158693376

Yeah, sure. That’s why they fly these loops. To wait until the fire stops ... :roll:
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:54 pm

That's a long time to have to circle if they are on one engine. Must be an uncomfortable feeling for those on the airplane. Hope everything works out well.
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:01 pm

GEUltraFan9XGTF wrote:
Is it still on fire? I would assume that would have all been extinguished by now.


There is zero chance they'd be circling to burn off fuel if they still had a fire. Fire on board that isn't extinguished would be a "land immediately" regardless of weight.
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:01 pm

Out of curiosity...Is the amount of single engine flight time limited by ETOPS in this case? Or as they are flying over terrain they can flight as long as needed on single engine?
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:06 pm

buzzard302 wrote:
That's a long time to have to circle if they are on one engine. Must be an uncomfortable feeling for those on the airplane. Hope everything works out well.


What are Air Canada's 767's ETOPS rated at? 120? 180?
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:07 pm

I do not like seeing these types of reports, especially when I just took a transatlantic flight from MAD over the weekend. My thoughts and prayers for a safe landing! I dislike the stacks for LHR and other airports, so circling for 3 hrs + if not much more without knowing how the landing and rollout will be is just frightfully horrid.
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:09 pm

I live in central Madrid and it was really noticeable when they took off and came right over the middle of the city very low. Assuming they couldn't climb anywhere near typical rate with only one engine.
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:10 pm

FWIW I deleted my own post with the onboard photo because I'm not sure if it's legit. the reference post quoting it was deleted for that reason as well. Not saying it's not legit, but it looks off somehow.
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:12 pm

airkas1 wrote:
FWIW I deleted my own post with the onboard photo because I'm not sure if it's legit. the reference post quoting it was deleted for that reason as well. Not saying it's not legit, but it looks off somehow.


Hope you didn't give yourself a board warning ;)
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:13 pm

Spanish F18 currently alongside inspecting damage...
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:13 pm

Reports now that there was an engine issue on take off along with 1 tire rupture as well, 128 passengers on board, fighter jet has been deployed to inspect landing gear damage

https://twitter.com/TomPodolec/status/1 ... 73600?s=20

https://twitter.com/TomPodolec/status/1 ... 63494?s=20
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:15 pm

Airport fire rescue services are preparing on the livestream, landing should be soon

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