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Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:18 pm

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Couldn't have been much worse for FR24. I guess they need to rethink their peak load strategy.

Imagine if they were around during the B6 292 media extravaganza.
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 7:45 pm

Does anyone have more info on what actually happened? Since that seems to be a bit all over the place right now.
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:03 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
Scarebus34 wrote:
So much sensationalism. wow.


That's because it's a 767. If it was a 777 or A330, or an A320 of the same age the clickbait millenial-industrial complex would not have made a peep.

FML

What on god’s once-green earth are you talking about? Do you think anyone knows the difference or cares if it’s an A330 or a 767? And if one of the types you mention had a dramatic emergency on takeoff and was circling Madrid for hours preparing for an emergency landing with a fighter jet escort, it wouldn’t be news? And because of this anti-767 bias, in your world, “FML”?!
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:12 pm

So, Plane is a OK, FR24 crashed and YouTube had 80k live views. Good show.
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:51 pm

cedarjet wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
Scarebus34 wrote:
So much sensationalism. wow.


That's because it's a 767. If it was a 777 or A330, or an A320 of the same age the clickbait millenial-industrial complex would not have made a peep.

FML

What on god’s once-green earth are you talking about? Do you think anyone knows the difference or cares if it’s an A330 or a 767? And if one of the types you mention had a dramatic emergency on takeoff and was circling Madrid for hours preparing for an emergency landing with a fighter jet escort, it wouldn’t be news? And because of this anti-767 bias, in your world, “FML”?!



I have to agree. I had a conversation with a good friend who knows nothing about aviation just last week and somehow one of his recent flights came up in the conversation. I had to ask all sorts of basic questions in order to identify the aircraft. Though at least he knew how many engines it had, which is probably more than most people can do. To most normal people 767, 777, 787, A330 and A350 (throw in A300 and A310 for good measure) basically all look like the same airplane. Most people would not have been able to tell B737 and A320 apart before the max crisis and most probably still can't do it now.
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:00 pm

zeke wrote:
BigWNFan wrote:
What about the wings?


A detailed inspection made by highly qualified mechanics found them attached to the fuselage after a brief search.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I had no clue that Zeke can be that funny. :bigthumbsup:
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:05 pm

Starfuryt, I agree with you. I once was talking to a very bright friend of mine who had just taken a trip to Europe. He described the routing and I wondered if he took a narrow body across the pond. I asked what kind of plane he was on. He did not understand the question. Then I asked if the plane had 2 or 4 engines. He had no idea. Then I asked if it was a wide or narrow body. I got a blank stare back. Next, I asked how many seats across did the plane have.....more blankness. Then I said do you think it was 6 across or maybe 8 or more. After some thought and a question to his wife, they thought more than 6. These people have taken numerous trips on airplanes but generally within the US. They both are college educated. But I concluded airplane nuts like all of us may be in the minority.
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:09 pm

BA777FO wrote:
MTato wrote:
Out of curiosity...Is the amount of single engine flight time limited by ETOPS in this case? Or as they are flying over terrain they can flight as long as needed on single engine?




Some A350s are being delivered without fuel jettison systems too, so it wouldn't be surprising if this 767 doesn't have a fuel jettison system.



Interesting what is the advantage of not being able to dump fuel. I would think it would be a critical emergency option.
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:10 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
Scarebus34 wrote:
So much sensationalism. wow.


That's because it's a 767. If it was a 777 or A330, or an A320 of the same age the clickbait millenial-industrial complex would not have made a peep.

:banghead:

FML


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Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:14 pm

MrBretz wrote:
Starfuryt, I agree with you. I once was talking to a very bright friend of mine who had just taken a trip to Europe. He described the routing and I wondered if he took a narrow body across the pond. I asked what kind of plane he was on. He did not understand the question. Then I asked if the plane had 2 or 4 engines. He had no idea. Then I asked if it was a wide or narrow body. I got a blank stare back. Next, I asked how many seats across did the plane have.....more blankness. Then I said do you think it was 6 across or maybe 8 or more. After some thought and a question to his wife, they thought more than 6. These people have taken numerous trips on airplanes but generally within the US. They both are college educated. But I concluded airplane nuts like all of us may be in the minority.


I'd say around half of my friends that I've ever talked about a 747 with believe that Boeing orders the numbers in terms of size with 787 being the "new double decker one." When I explain they generally went in order of when they were designed and introduced, there are just blank stares.
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:27 pm

cedarjet wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
Scarebus34 wrote:
So much sensationalism. wow.


That's because it's a 767. If it was a 777 or A330, or an A320 of the same age the clickbait millenial-industrial complex would not have made a peep.

FML

What on god’s once-green earth are you talking about? Do you think anyone knows the difference or cares if it’s an A330 or a 767? And if one of the types you mention had a dramatic emergency on takeoff and was circling Madrid for hours preparing for an emergency landing with a fighter jet escort, it wouldn’t be news? And because of this anti-767 bias, in your world, “FML”?!


If you look at incidents that make the news similar to this on those other aircraft models, the model or age of the aircraft are never mentioned.

However, if it's a 767 or 757 it's always front in center
Either the 757 and 767 do not age well, or journalists and social media attention whores are biased. I don't know.
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:29 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
Scarebus34 wrote:
So much sensationalism. wow.


That's because it's a 767. If it was a 777 or A330, or an A320 of the same age the clickbait millenial-industrial complex would not have made a peep.

:banghead:

FML


Huh? Do you mind explaining what the hell you just said? Is the 767 now the victim of the evil media?
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:37 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]

That's because it's a 767. If it was a 777 or A330, or an A320 of the same age the clickbait millenial-industrial complex would not have made a peep.

FML

What on god’s once-green earth are you talking about? Do you think anyone knows the difference or cares if it’s an A330 or a 767? And if one of the types you mention had a dramatic emergency on takeoff and was circling Madrid for hours preparing for an emergency landing with a fighter jet escort, it wouldn’t be news? And because of this anti-767 bias, in your world, “FML”?!



If you look at incidents that make the news similar to this on those other aircraft models, the model or age of the aircraft are never mentioned.

However, if it's a 767 or 757 it's always front in center
Either the 757 and 767 do not age well, or journalists and social media attention whores are biased. I don't know.


I don’t think anybody except avgeeks would know what a 767, 757 or A330 is, let alone being able to distinguish a 767-200 from a 767-300 or know how many accidents each model has had.
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:41 pm

Mightyflyer86 wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
Scarebus34 wrote:
So much sensationalism. wow.


That's because it's a 767. If it was a 777 or A330, or an A320 of the same age the clickbait millenial-industrial complex would not have made a peep.

:banghead:

FML


Huh? Do you mind explaining what the hell you just said? Is the 767 now the victim of the evil media?


Yes - I think the EIS year of the type is used to play into the fears that passengers are flying on a 35+ year old plane, and therefore generate more clicks etc...

Regardless, it's just my explanation for why some might call the coverage of this incident "sensationalist". All things considered, everybody is safe...
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 9:57 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
Mightyflyer86 wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]

That's because it's a 767. If it was a 777 or A330, or an A320 of the same age the clickbait millenial-industrial complex would not have made a peep.

:banghead:

FML


Huh? Do you mind explaining what the hell you just said? Is the 767 now the victim of the evil media?


Yes - I think the EIS year of the type is used to play into the fears that passengers are flying on a 35+ year old plane, and therefore generate more clicks etc...

Regardless, it's just my explanation for why some might call the coverage of this incident "sensationalist". All things considered, everybody is safe...

YOU, and only you, is obsessed with the EIS and want to split pre- and post-A320 EIS...
Let it go, it's been decades.
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:34 pm

I really can't recall a single instance in which the age of the aircraft hasn't been mentioned in the news, regardless of type/incident.

As for identifying plane type...I'd gladly bet anyone that you could go onto the ramp for any flight, and a good 50% of the people working that flight couldn't tell you what type of airplane it is. Perhaps that it's a 777, but not -200, w, etc. Had a loader once, literally years of experience, who had to reopen the holds and double check his configuration because he hadn't realized it was an A333 and not a 332.

Now if you go into the operations offices...then yes, everyone will or at the very least, should know exactly what type/registration, and pretty much everything else
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 10:58 pm

Glad to see everyone is ok, job well done to the crew
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:27 pm

I don't understand why you'd hold for four hours as opposed to dump fuel?
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:31 pm

ukoverlander wrote:
Appealing to smarter minds than mine to confrim or reject this notion - if a blow tire caused engine damage, given the location of the main gear (behind the engines) would it be reasonable to conclude the blown tire was on the nose gear?


No. Exiting engine parts from an engine failure could have caused the tire issue on a main gear. Also when a tire goes at high speed it sends debris everywhere (remember the top of the tire is moving at twice the speed of the aircraft) an a chunk of tire could have easily been flung forward and sucked into the engine.
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:33 pm

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I don't understand why you'd hold for four hours as opposed to dump fuel?


...... Because this 767 CAN'T dump fuel.
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:43 pm

Do we know for sure if the damaged engine was shut off all this time?
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 11:52 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
Mightyflyer86 wrote:

Huh? Do you mind explaining what the hell you just said? Is the 767 now the victim of the evil media?


Yes - I think the EIS year of the type is used to play into the fears that passengers are flying on a 35+ year old plane, and therefore generate more clicks etc...

Regardless, it's just my explanation for why some might call the coverage of this incident "sensationalist". All things considered, everybody is safe...

YOU, and only you, is obsessed with the EIS and want to split pre- and post-A320 EIS...
Let it go, it's been decades.


It's not my opinion/obsession etc... a late build 2010 763 will always be seen as aging and obsolete by the public and media, whereas a 25-30 year old A320 won't.
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:01 am

zeke wrote:
A detailed inspection made by highly qualified mechanics found them attached to the fuselage after a brief search.


:rotfl: Good job. You made my evening.

1989worstyear wrote:
It's not my opinion/obsession etc... a late build 2010 763 will always be seen as aging and obsolete by the public and media, whereas a 25-30 year old A320 won't.


That's because it's not fly-by-wire and they know it, sort of...
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:35 am

1989worstyear wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:

Yes - I think the EIS year of the type is used to play into the fears that passengers are flying on a 35+ year old plane, and therefore generate more clicks etc...

Regardless, it's just my explanation for why some might call the coverage of this incident "sensationalist". All things considered, everybody is safe...

YOU, and only you, is obsessed with the EIS and want to split pre- and post-A320 EIS...
Let it go, it's been decades.


It's not my opinion/obsession etc... a late build 2010 763 will always be seen as aging and obsolete by the public and media, whereas a 25-30 year old A320 won't.

Which public exactly???
Media talk about a XX year-old aircraft; not an aircraft whose EIS was YY years ago.

Sorry to say, but it is your obsession. You keep rehashing that pre- and post-1988 (or 1989, whichever year is is) non-sense as if repeating it over and over again will make it true; it's not.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:40 am

DCA350 wrote:
BA777FO wrote:
MTato wrote:
Out of curiosity...Is the amount of single engine flight time limited by ETOPS in this case? Or as they are flying over terrain they can flight as long as needed on single engine?




Some A350s are being delivered without fuel jettison systems too, so it wouldn't be surprising if this 767 doesn't have a fuel jettison system.



Interesting what is the advantage of not being able to dump fuel. I would think it would be a critical emergency option.


On the contrary, in a critical emergency, dumping fuel is an unnecessary waste of time.

A fuel dumping system is only required by law when the aircraft cannot meet the go-around climb requirements when at max takeoff weight. This really only affects the biggest aircraft who can't climb as well when heavy. The advantage of not having such a system is that you don't have the cost of installing and maintaining the system.

There is an article written by Boeing that I found very interesting here: https://www.skybrary.aero/bookshelf/books/4370.pdf . It explicitly says that an overweight landing is considered a safe procedure. Whilst it is safe it still reduces the margins (and triggers a specialized maintenance inspection), so if the situation is not critical it is recommended to reduce the weight to below the maximum certified limit. In a critical emergency however, like an uncontrollable fire, it is best to land ASAP regardless of the weight.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:56 am

Seat1F wrote:
ASMVPGOLD wrote:
Why wouldn't they go out somewhere appropriate and dump fuel vs circling for a few hours to burn it off?

Some 763 aircraft don't have the capability to dump fuel. I don't know about this particular aircraft.


C-GHOZ, a 31-year old B763, never got above 7600 feet above sea level. Madrid Barajas is 2000 feet above sea level. As such, you're needing at least 14000-15000 feet above sea level to consider dumping fuel.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:57 am

A couple things to remember though.....

They were delayed due to the closure of Madrid Airport as a result of possible drone interference. They were among the first to depart after the closure was lifted.

It may well have been a tire that caused the sequence of events, but they didn’t know that. When looking at an engine stall followed by an unsafe gear warning, they had no idea what happened. I am sure the thought of hitting a drone was on their minds.

The aircraft now flying well on one engine, as a 767 will, they were now faced with the possibility of an unsafe gear. It becomes a balance ..... land ASAP, with engine troubles, against facing a gear collapse on landing, and now wanting the aircraft as light as possible.

It is correctly noted above that this particular aircraft was not equipped with a fuel jettison system. It wouldn’t help much though, when equipped, only the centre tank can be emptied, and at that point, not much was in the centre tank anyway.

Bottom line is that with what little they knew, using a lot of experience and command decisions, they did what pilots are paid well to do .... that is protect the passengers.
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Tue Feb 04, 2020 7:39 am

What about IFE?
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 8:20 am

Maybe a drone hit the landing gear on takeoff roll and caused the bits to go into the engine and thereby disabling the fuel jettison system. My post is pure speculation based on internet rumor.
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 9:52 am

upperdeckfan wrote:
More than 2 hours in the air.....doesn't look good

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Yep. The picture is blurred

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Tue Feb 04, 2020 10:02 am

longhauler wrote:
A couple things to remember though.....

They were delayed due to the closure of Madrid Airport as a result of possible drone interference. They were among the first to depart after the closure was lifted.

It may well have been a tire that caused the sequence of events, but they didn’t know that. When looking at an engine stall followed by an unsafe gear warning, they had no idea what happened. I am sure the thought of hitting a drone was on their minds.

The aircraft now flying well on one engine, as a 767 will, they were now faced with the possibility of an unsafe gear. It becomes a balance ..... land ASAP, with engine troubles, against facing a gear collapse on landing, and now wanting the aircraft as light as possible.

It is correctly noted above that this particular aircraft was not equipped with a fuel jettison system. It wouldn’t help much though, when equipped, only the centre tank can be emptied, and at that point, not much was in the centre tank anyway.

Bottom line is that with what little they knew, using a lot of experience and command decisions, they did what pilots are paid well to do .... that is protect the passengers.

Thank you, finally a decent summary. Well done to the crew.
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:07 pm

Take note Delta this how you Handle an engine problem on Departure.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:08 pm

DCA350 wrote:
BA777FO wrote:
MTato wrote:
Out of curiosity...Is the amount of single engine flight time limited by ETOPS in this case? Or as they are flying over terrain they can flight as long as needed on single engine?




Some A350s are being delivered without fuel jettison systems too, so it wouldn't be surprising if this 767 doesn't have a fuel jettison system.



Interesting what is the advantage of not being able to dump fuel. I would think it would be a critical emergency option.


Landing overweight is not dangerous.
 
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 12:38 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
DCA350 wrote:
BA777FO wrote:



Some A350s are being delivered without fuel jettison systems too, so it wouldn't be surprising if this 767 doesn't have a fuel jettison system.



Interesting what is the advantage of not being able to dump fuel. I would think it would be a critical emergency option.


Landing overweight is not dangerous.


It could be if you have experienced a total hydraulics failure, flap drive fault and you dispatched, legally, with some brake units deactivated. It's a potential recipe for a runway excursion.

For me it's about balancing risks. Where fitted, you would jettison unless a greater emergency exists, which is generally limited to smoke, fire or fumes that does not, and will not, improve or extinguish. I can think of few other reasons as to why an overweight landing would be preferable to jettison.
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:26 pm

Good job by the crew. Any photos of the aircraft that anyone can possibly share that shows visible damage, if there was any?
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 1:30 pm

Three pages of serious discussion, but nothing about what happened to engine and tire.

FOD on runway, Bad MX. can drone be ruled out?
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Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:08 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
Three pages of serious discussion, but nothing about what happened to engine and tire.

FOD on runway, Bad MX. can drone be ruled out?


"The airline already reported the aircraft experienced an engine issue shortly after takeoff, a tyre reportedly ruptured on takeoff...."

It sure looks like something external damaged the fan disc and cowling.

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Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:17 pm

cedarjet wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
Scarebus34 wrote:
So much sensationalism. wow.


That's because it's a 767. If it was a 777 or A330, or an A320 of the same age the clickbait millenial-industrial complex would not have made a peep.

FML

What on god’s once-green earth are you talking about? Do you think anyone knows the difference or cares if it’s an A330 or a 767? And if one of the types you mention had a dramatic emergency on takeoff and was circling Madrid for hours preparing for an emergency landing with a fighter jet escort, it wouldn’t be news? And because of this anti-767 bias, in your world, “FML”?!

It's easier to just add that user to your ignore / block list.

He spends all day here repeating that anything made before the A320 is garbage and should be burned out in the desert. Its all he says. And will repeat it in every thread talking about aircraft older than a 320.

I just noticed I wasn't logged in as I accidently read his garbage for the first time in years.

Anyhow, glad this pre-A320 designed aircraft, one of the most comfortable around with millions of safe flights under her belt, made it back to terra-firma safely. No doubt in large thanks to the crew. I wonder if they served lunch while waiting ? :)
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:19 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
Take note Delta this how you Handle an engine problem on Departure.


It's wrong to equate the two situations. The AC 767 experienced an issue with a landing gear and an engine. The pilots were right to stay airborne to lighten the load to maximize the prospect of a safe landing. The Delta 777 had an engine failure with no landing gear issues and the capability to dump fuel. So they dumped fuel and got on the ground ASAP. Both planes landed safely. It's hard to fault either flight crew.
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Tue Feb 04, 2020 11:42 pm

Just saw the video of the landing. Perfectly executed.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=1891831
 
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Re: AC MAD-YYZ: major damage to landing gear and engine on takeoff - circling MAD airspace

Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:00 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
DCA350 wrote:
BA777FO wrote:



Some A350s are being delivered without fuel jettison systems too, so it wouldn't be surprising if this 767 doesn't have a fuel jettison system.



Interesting what is the advantage of not being able to dump fuel. I would think it would be a critical emergency option.


Landing overweight is not dangerous.


It certainly might be depending on the integrity of your damaged landing gear!

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