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DashTrash
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Re: Bombardier in talks to sell business-jet unit to Textron

Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:57 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
DashTrash wrote:
lightsaber wrote:
I want to expand on the Longitude's Hawker wing.

Textron, if they acquire Bombardier's business jet line will mix and match cockpits, landing gear, doors, cross sections, wings, and tails to minimize development cost. Since the 777 has a 767 cockpit/nose, why not?

For certain Cessna want to keep Challenger customers.

This also gives Textron leverage on engines. The weakest link on the Challenger 350 is engine fuel burn. GE, RR, Pratt, and Honeywell will much more serious with a healthy airframer.

Lightsaber

350 fuel burn? Same engine as the Longitude. Now what the Long burns per hour I don’t know, but around 2200-2000 in the 350.


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Actually more like 2800 the first hour and 1800 per hour at cruise M.80 at 430 or 450. Even a CL 605 at 38000# won’t burn 2200 pph


We’re usually .82 at 410. 2800 first hour is a good figure. 2200 for the rest or thereabouts.

I’m not paying the bills so I don’t spend much time looking at fuel flows, just what the box figures I’m going to land with.


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Palumboism
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Re: Bombardier in talks to sell business-jet unit to Textron

Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:54 am

FLALEFTY wrote:
trpmb6 wrote:
b764 wrote:
It makes perfect sense for Textron/Cessna. Since they halted further development of the Hemisphere, the Challenger 650 can fill it's role. Then you have the Global 5500, 6500 and 7500 to offer your high-end customers. Lear seems like the casualty in all this. I don't see it sticking around when you can offer the Latitude.

Line Up:
M2 = 1,550 nm
CJ3+ = 2,040 nm
CJ4 = 2,165 nm
XLS+ = 2,100 nm
Latitude = 2,700 nm
Sovereign+ = 3,200 nm
Challenger 350 = 3,200 nm
Longitude = 3,500 nm
Challenger 650 = 4,00 nm
Challenger 5000 = 5,200 nm
Challenger 5500 = 5,900 nm
Challenger 6000 = 6,000 nm
Challenger 6500 = 6,600 nm
Challenger 7500 = 7.700 nm
Challenger 8000 = 7,900 nm

Sell the M2 to Cirrus. Then you have a line-up: CJ3+ or CJ4, Latitude, 350, Longitude, 650, 5500, 6500, 7500 then 8000 if needed.


They wouldn't divest the M2.

Textron acquiring BBD's business jet business has been the talk for several years. They would not divest lear. They want the aftermarket and they want to do what they did with Beechcraft owners: they want to lure them into their product line so they will keep the brand and try and throw them a bone like they did with the Longitude. Longitude is a hawker 4000 wing with a latitude fuselage. The perfect marrying of the brands.

I do wonder what they would do with production. I doubt they'd move it initially. Not much space in Wichita really.


I agree. The Citation M2 is a favorite entry level bizjet for small/medium-sized businesses. This gets them hooked on the convienience factor of business jet ownership. Textron's marketing people know that M2 buyers will be wanting to step up in a couple of years of flying around in a cramped, lavatory-less, range-restricted jet. Also, their insurers tend to frown on allowing the businesses' clients flying around on a single-pilot, owner-flown jet, even if it is legal under FAR Part 91.



The M2 has a lavatory; it was the Mustang that did not. That was the one big change customers said they wanted.
 
DashTrash
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Re: Bombardier in talks to sell business-jet unit to Textron

Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:06 pm

DashTrash wrote:
GalaxyFlyer wrote:
DashTrash wrote:
350 fuel burn? Same engine as the Longitude. Now what the Long burns per hour I don’t know, but around 2200-2000 in the 350.


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Actually more like 2800 the first hour and 1800 per hour at cruise M.80 at 430 or 450. Even a CL 605 at 38000# won’t burn 2200 pph


We’re usually .82 at 410. 2800 first hour is a good figure. 2200 for the rest or thereabouts.

I’m not paying the bills so I don’t spend much time looking at fuel flows, just what the box figures I’m going to land with.


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Had it wrong. Your numbers are closer to the truth. .82 at 430 burning a little under 1800 earlier this morning.


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twaconnie
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Re: Bombardier in talks to sell business-jet unit to Textron

Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:21 pm

I'm sorry to see them go,like Douglas,Fairchild.Fokker,Convair,Martin, just to name a few.

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