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Re: QR DOH-YYZ eff. July 4, 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 8:55 pm

What rationale would they have for expanding right now? All I see are massive reductions elsewhere.
 
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Re: QR DOH-YYZ eff. July 4, 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 10:50 pm

Can anyone confirm if its only for the month of July?
Qatar flight scheduling website only shows flights till the end of July.
 
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Re: QR DOH-YYZ eff. July 4, 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:42 am

Which terminal in YYZ will QR use for this flight?
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Re: QR DOH-YYZ eff. July 4, 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:29 am

QR may have been granted temporary rights during this period. Similar to what they've arranged with Australia. Ordinarily they don't have rights to operate into BNE but to keep returnee/travel options open, they were allowed to operate temporarily.
 
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Re: QR DOH-YYZ eff. July 4, 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:31 am

It sounds similar to the situation in Australia, where QR were given permission to operate BNE flights over certain periods of this COVID situation.

It has obviously made strong moves to capture opportunities, likely in step with a diplomatic play to try and gain favour in the eyes of decision makers.
 
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Re: QR DOH-YYZ eff. July 4, 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 4:45 pm

raylee67 wrote:
Which terminal in YYZ will QR use for this flight?


A few weeks ago, I saw a Qatar aircraft (I believe it was a 777 though) at T3.
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Re: QR DOH-YYZ eff. July 4, 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 5:20 pm

It's not temporary cause QR officially announced it with no mention of it being temporary. If it was temporary, they would've been reparation flights with no official announcement of YYZ being a new route. It would not make any sense for them to launch a new route for only a month. YYZ has been a destination QR has been wanting to launch for awhile and QR won't just give it up after a month. The July schedule is only up atm, the rest should be uploaded in sometime.
 
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Re: QR DOH-YYZ eff. July 4, 2020

Mon Jul 27, 2020 5:41 pm

Well, temporary or not, there are still no flights bookable on the route past July 30th. That's in a few days.

Pretty certain the bilateral agreement between the two countries only allows the frequencies YUL has, namely 4 x weekly, at least for passenger ops.

As yulexpansion said, they must have gotten extra-bilateral approval to operate 3x weekly to YYZ for the month of July only, and are probably awaiting paperwork for August. That being said, I'm not showing any such decisions on the Canadian Transportation Agency's website, not even for July. Weird, all of this, to say the least.

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Qatar at DXB pre conflict

Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:48 pm

I'm just trying to find out what were the frequencies and aircraft types on DOH-DXB route pre 2018 Gulf vs. Qatar conflict?
 
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Re: Qatar at DXB pre conflict

Thu Aug 13, 2020 7:51 pm

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Re: Qatar at DXB pre conflict

Thu Aug 13, 2020 8:51 pm

Any available airplane all their fleet through a day!
 
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Re: Qatar at DXB pre conflict

Fri Aug 14, 2020 3:46 am

EK and QR had so much frequencies between both cities, Lot of people from Qatar flew to Dubai during the weekends and Holidays to get away, as Booze was much more available in UAE, than Qatar. Plus things are cheaper in UAE than in Doha.
 
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Re: Qatar at DXB pre conflict

Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:35 am

Was lots of connecting passengers too, in most cases it was cheaper to fly via the other city on the way to anywhere (Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia, US).
 
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Re: Qatar at DXB pre conflict

Fri Aug 14, 2020 4:58 am

In fact to Dubai they flew to both DXB and DWC, and also to AUH, SHJ and RKT within the United Arab Emirates.

I'm not sure if it was started due to the blockade, however about 80km across the border in to Oman, QR also fly DOH-OHS.
 
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Re: Qatar at DXB pre conflict

Fri Aug 14, 2020 7:48 am

I flew this route before the blockade; 787 one way and 777300 the other, both very empty flights - down the back!
 
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Re: Qatar at DXB pre conflict

Fri Aug 14, 2020 8:18 am

One of the biggest clients at DXB. It was called the Doha-Dubai Shuttle. The only A/C I didn't supervise was their A380. It has never been to DXB.
 
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Re: Qatar at DXB pre conflict

Fri Aug 14, 2020 9:07 am

One when I traveled with QR the plane on the DOH-AUH leg was larger than the one on ARN-DOH! They also managed to serve pretty OK food and wine on that short hop (in business). SQ just managed a sandwich and water in business on DME-ARN.
 
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Re: Qatar at DXB pre conflict

Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:08 am

sixfootscream wrote:
One of the biggest clients at DXB. It was called the Doha-Dubai Shuttle. The only A/C I didn't supervise was their A380. It has never been to DXB.


EK used to send theirs instead haha.
 
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Re: Qatar at DXB pre conflict

Fri Aug 14, 2020 11:44 am

sixfootscream wrote:
One of the biggest clients at DXB. It was called the Doha-Dubai Shuttle. The only A/C I didn't supervise was their A380. It has never been to DXB.

It used to be 12 daily, on average every 2 hours a flight to DOH.
They used to fly the A380 Occasionally, as said whatever was available they will send to DXB, in addition to the high frequencies it was for training missions for some pilots on different aircrafts.
It was they used to fly to every single airport in the UAE, with multiple frequencies and they were doing good on them.
 
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Re: Qatar at DXB pre conflict

Fri Aug 14, 2020 12:30 pm

Thanks for the all replies. Disappearance of Qatar in UAE bumped up the fares in the region. Now I know why. So many daily flights with WB aircraft. I started going to the region weeks after the flights were suspended. My Thursday-Saturday RUH-DXB-RUH flights were running on average $400. The cheapest carrier was almost always Gulf Air, and if you gave them more than 3 days advanced notice, you could get that round trip via BAH for $250-$300. Even NASair or SaudiGulf were charging full price for the flight. In 2 years of flying to DXB I only flew once on EK. I bought the ticket for $400 but it was 7 days advance purchase. On short notice EK wouldn't go below $600. If I had to travel to DOH for business from RUH, the best option was Oman Air for ~$800 with 6hrs+ travel time via Muscat.
Going back to the original question. I was just wondering what I have missed while spotting every weekend at DXB from the Qatar side.
 
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Re: Qatar at DXB pre conflict

Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:20 pm

At one point both EK & QR had a A380 on one of the midday rotations! QR used to put a business class only A319 on a rotation! FZ and G9 all did many shuttles UAE-Doha. It was a massive drop in traffic when it happened and no one expected it to last more than a few weeks.....how wrong we were!
 
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Re: Qatar at DXB pre conflict

Fri Aug 14, 2020 2:50 pm

UAEflyer wrote:
sixfootscream wrote:
One of the biggest clients at DXB. It was called the Doha-Dubai Shuttle. The only A/C I didn't supervise was their A380. It has never been to DXB.

It used to be 12 daily, on average every 2 hours a flight to DOH.
They used to fly the A380 Occasionally, as said whatever was available they will send to DXB, in addition to the high frequencies it was for training missions for some pilots on different aircrafts.
It was they used to fly to every single airport in the UAE, with multiple frequencies and they were doing good on them.


QR never operated the A380 to DXB. The only time there was a QR A380 at DXB was because of a diversion. IIRC, it was BKK-DOH flight.
 
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Re: Qatar at DXB pre conflict

Tue Aug 18, 2020 9:18 am

Late comer to the party, but here is what I remember:

Qatar Airways was the unofficial second airline for many people going to/from Dubai, replacing the role Gulf Air had played until the mid 2000s. They were usually the cheapest option if you wanted to fly between LHR/CDG/CAI/NYC/BKK/etc and DXB and you didn't mind the stopover in DOH...not that there was anything to mind. Old DOH was small and compact, even if you had to use buses between the aircraft and terminal. The new DOH was a nice facility, and they would deliberately use the gates closest to the transit/central part of the concourse, not some random gate at the edge of the pier. An added bonus was that if you were flying DXB-DOH-XXX you disembarked in Doha and were released straight into the departures level without going through security again.

By the time QR had rebranded the DOH-DXB run as the Doha-Dubai Shuttle, they had a crazy number of flights into DXB, plus at least two daily flights into DWC, SHJ, and RKT. You could fly the A320, A330, A340, 77W, 77L, 787 over the years on the Doha-Dubai run. At one point I counted 18 daily flights between DXB/DWC/SHJ and DOH IIRC.
 
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Re: Qatar at DXB pre conflict

Wed Aug 19, 2020 10:53 pm

Good times until QR flew in DXB. They used to send their Newest frames into DXB, EK came out with a knife after QRs departure from their hub.
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Re: Qatar CEO: no new Airbus or Boeing deliveries until 2022

Fri Aug 21, 2020 8:43 pm

Just had a quick thought. Where will Qatar place their outgoing 777-300ERs? They are quite young actually. If there's strong demand in 2022, can we see BA taking one or two? I know they were interested at a point.
 
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Re: Qatar CEO: no new Airbus or Boeing deliveries until 2022

Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:13 am

ewt340 wrote:

The trend has been airlines are going for smaller widebodies and focusing on profitability and frequency rather than large capacity.

Is this so?
I believe the B777-300ER did o. k. compared to A330-200.

The B787-8 did open a lot more routes, but did it replace heavy traffic routes? I believe in an environment of strongly increasing traffic new routes can be expected.
But I admit I don't know why the A330-200 didn't open these routes earlier.

Engine capacity is still growing.
I understand why an airline prefers a tested B787-9 over an untested B777-9X.

I agree with opus99.
Let's see how good is GE's new engine.
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Re: Qatar CEO: no new Airbus or Boeing deliveries until 2022

Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:24 am

Opus99 wrote:
Just had a quick thought. Where will Qatar place their outgoing 777-300ERs? They are quite young actually. If there's strong demand in 2022, can we see BA taking one or two? I know they were interested at a point.

I don't know about capital and maintenance costs, but a look at the map suggests that BA has the perfect location to absorb last generation technology.
I don't think it was by chance that they flew B747-400 so long.
Maybe BA could buy all 48 of them?
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Re: Qatar CEO: no new Airbus or Boeing deliveries until 2022

Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:53 am

Sokes wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
Just had a quick thought. Where will Qatar place their outgoing 777-300ERs? They are quite young actually. If there's strong demand in 2022, can we see BA taking one or two? I know they were interested at a point.

I don't know about capital and maintenance costs, but a look at the map suggests that BA has the perfect location to absorb last generation technology.
I don't think it was by chance that they flew B747-400 so long.
Maybe BA could buy all 48 of them?

I definitely see BA acquiring some of them, probably not all 48. I think maybe about 4-6 of them. They will still have the -9s coming in, so they may not want to buy too many 300ERs off Qatar.
 
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Re: Qatar CEO: no new Airbus or Boeing deliveries until 2022

Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:33 am

To which altitude can a B777-300ER with MZFW climb after take off on a 9 hours flight?
Why can't the world be a little bit more autistic?
 
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Re: Qatar CEO: no new Airbus or Boeing deliveries until 2022

Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:36 pm

Sokes wrote:
To which altitude can a B777-300ER with MZFW climb after take off on a 9 hours flight?


That would be around 635klbs. I can't find SOP at the moment, but from my memory it should be able to reach somewhere between F320 and F340.

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QR axes EZE

Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:40 pm

Today, the airline published an statement confirming the rumours that had been circulating the last few days in Argentina, expressing they would not resume the GRU-EZE leg of the DOH-GRU-EZE route. After NZ and EK, QR becomes the third airline to leave EZE since the pandemic started. The uncertainity and lack of communication from the government makes the situation even worse for the airlines looking to return to Argentina in the near future. Article (in Spanish): https://aviacionline.com/2020/08/qatar-airways-confirma-que-deja-de-volar-a-la-argentina/
 
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Re: QR axes EZE

Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:35 pm

Too sad to see how airlines are chopping routes all around the globe. In Latin America cities like EZE, SCL, GIG and MEX are loosing flights that opened new frontiers besides the traditional European and North American markets.
 
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Re: QR axes EZE

Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:10 pm

DiegoSS02 wrote:
Today, the airline published an statement confirming the rumours that had been circulating the last few days in Argentina, expressing they would not resume the GRU-EZE leg of the DOH-GRU-EZE route. After NZ and EK, QR becomes the third airline to leave EZE since the pandemic started. The uncertainity and lack of communication from the government makes the situation even worse for the airlines looking to return to Argentina in the near future. Article (in Spanish): https://aviacionline.com/2020/08/qatar-airways-confirma-que-deja-de-volar-a-la-argentina/


Only passenger operations are being nixed. Qatar Airways Cargo will continue to operate at EZE.

Mistral1 wrote:
Too sad to see how airlines are chopping routes all around the globe. In Latin America cities like EZE, SCL, GIG and MEX are loosing flights that opened new frontiers besides the traditional European and North American markets.


In time, they will return. These are expensive to operate ULH flights which clearly did not have the best margins for the ME3s. However. when times were good they played a role on the network that is no longer justifiable under the present circumstances.
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:58 pm

Qatar Airways has reached an agreement with Airbus for delivery delays. The airline has 27 A350-1000s and 50 A321neos on order.

No further details. Talks continue with Boeing.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/bu ... g-13075440
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:57 am

mercure1 wrote:
Qatar Airways has reached an agreement with Airbus for delivery delays. The airline has 27 A350-1000s and 50 A321neos on order.

No further details. Talks continue with Boeing.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/bu ... g-13075440


Mr Abkar always likes to voice his stuff in the public.

Maybe he is trying the new negotiatings tactics this way for delivery delays?
 
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Re: Qatar CEO: no new Airbus or Boeing deliveries until 2022

Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:07 pm

Opus99 wrote:
Just had a quick thought. Where will Qatar place their outgoing 777-300ERs? They are quite young actually. If there's strong demand in 2022, can we see BA taking one or two? I know they were interested at a point.


It wouldn't surprise me in the least, given the close relationship between IAG and QR. Don't forget, EI has already acquired two ex-QR A330s (albeit one didnt actually enter service, due to Covid).

Just a question about the 789s? Are any of them now in service with QR? Are they being operated on pax flights? At least one of the newer ones ('BHI) has been flown to VCV for storage. (I know QR has decided not to take any new deliveries for some time to come, but I was just wondering if those already delivered had entered service).
 
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Re: Qatar CEO: no new Airbus or Boeing deliveries until 2022

Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:21 pm

kaitak wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
Just had a quick thought. Where will Qatar place their outgoing 777-300ERs? They are quite young actually. If there's strong demand in 2022, can we see BA taking one or two? I know they were interested at a point.


It wouldn't surprise me in the least, given the close relationship between IAG and QR. Don't forget, EI has already acquired two ex-QR A330s (albeit one didnt actually enter service, due to Covid).

Just a question about the 789s? Are any of them now in service with QR? Are they being operated on pax flights? At least one of the newer ones ('BHI) has been flown to VCV for storage. (I know QR has decided not to take any new deliveries for some time to come, but I was just wondering if those already delivered had entered service).

None of them are in service. They are all stored at an airfield near DOH or at DOH. Akbar says EIS is 2021
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:26 pm

mercure1 wrote:
Qatar Airways has reached an agreement with Airbus for delivery delays. The airline has 27 A350-1000s and 50 A321neos on order.

No further details. Talks continue with Boeing.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/bu ... g-13075440

Official delays, instead of just finding carpet issues. :duck:

QR is in a rough spot of trouble. Decreased demand for years with increased competition from IST, ADD, hub bypass (newer small planes flying further), as well as EK and a shrinking EY. They do not need aircraft.

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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:47 pm

Any news on if YYZ is coming back? They seem to have stopped it but any chances they will bring it back? Are they trying to lobby to bring it back?
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:30 pm

andrew1996 wrote:
Any news on if YYZ is coming back? They seem to have stopped it but any chances they will bring it back? Are they trying to lobby to bring it back?

I read that Toronto was to be served for a limited time.


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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:33 pm

xwb777 wrote:
andrew1996 wrote:
Any news on if YYZ is coming back? They seem to have stopped it but any chances they will bring it back? Are they trying to lobby to bring it back?

I read that Toronto was to be served for a limited time.


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Yeah I remember one site saying it but the official QR release didnt say it was limited (at least not directly) and promoted how QR now had daily flights to Canada (YUL + YYZ). I thought QR was going to keep YYZ even after July judging by its press release when YYZ was luanched
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:23 pm

andrew1996 wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
andrew1996 wrote:
Any news on if YYZ is coming back? They seem to have stopped it but any chances they will bring it back? Are they trying to lobby to bring it back?

I read that Toronto was to be served for a limited time.


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Yeah I remember one site saying it but the official QR release didnt say it was limited (at least not directly) and promoted how QR now had daily flights to Canada (YUL + YYZ). I thought QR was going to keep YYZ even after July judging by its press release when YYZ was luanched


I say its a PR stunt by Qatar Airways to show people that they are performing good. But the fact is that all airlines are suffering.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:52 am

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/wil ... r-airways/

Akbar says the 777X is a very good airplane and they will be taking all of them for fleet replacements.

He says he’s happy the plane is delayed otherwise they would have to take them on during the pandemic
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:57 am

Also delivery will span 7 years. Between 2022 and 2029.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:01 am

The article states that QR is the biggest buyer of the B777X with 60 on order. Excuse me??


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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:28 am

xwb777 wrote:
The article states that QR is the biggest buyer of the B777X with 60 on order. Excuse me??


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The article says Qatar might be the biggest buyer. Quite frankly that is just over exageration. I think the author is trying to insinuate Emirates might cancel a large portion of their 777x order. Clearly out of touch on that one
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:22 pm

Its the Canadian government being a protectionist bitch to AC, I'm sick and tired of them.

xwb777 wrote:
andrew1996 wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
I read that Toronto was to be served for a limited time.


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Yeah I remember one site saying it but the official QR release didnt say it was limited (at least not directly) and promoted how QR now had daily flights to Canada (YUL + YYZ). I thought QR was going to keep YYZ even after July judging by its press release when YYZ was luanched


I say its a PR stunt by Qatar Airways to show people that they are performing good. But the fact is that all airlines are suffering.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:41 am

Could BNE finally be permanent for QR?

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... 3wHoike9zw
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:20 pm

YYZORD wrote:
Its the Canadian government being a protectionist bitch to AC, I'm sick and tired of them.

xwb777 wrote:
andrew1996 wrote:

Yeah I remember one site saying it but the official QR release didnt say it was limited (at least not directly) and promoted how QR now had daily flights to Canada (YUL + YYZ). I thought QR was going to keep YYZ even after July judging by its press release when YYZ was luanched


I say its a PR stunt by Qatar Airways to show people that they are performing good. But the fact is that all airlines are suffering.


Unless QR knows something we don't
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:38 pm

Wonder if Cardiff CWL will ever see the light of day again? Was (very) slowly building up over past few years and with limited local competition.

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