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Re: Qatar CEO: no new Airbus or Boeing deliveries until 2022

Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:13 am

ewt340 wrote:

The trend has been airlines are going for smaller widebodies and focusing on profitability and frequency rather than large capacity.

Is this so?
I believe the B777-300ER did o. k. compared to A330-200.

The B787-8 did open a lot more routes, but did it replace heavy traffic routes? I believe in an environment of strongly increasing traffic new routes can be expected.
But I admit I don't know why the A330-200 didn't open these routes earlier.

Engine capacity is still growing.
I understand why an airline prefers a tested B787-9 over an untested B777-9X.

I agree with opus99.
Let's see how good is GE's new engine.
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Re: Qatar CEO: no new Airbus or Boeing deliveries until 2022

Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:24 am

Opus99 wrote:
Just had a quick thought. Where will Qatar place their outgoing 777-300ERs? They are quite young actually. If there's strong demand in 2022, can we see BA taking one or two? I know they were interested at a point.

I don't know about capital and maintenance costs, but a look at the map suggests that BA has the perfect location to absorb last generation technology.
I don't think it was by chance that they flew B747-400 so long.
Maybe BA could buy all 48 of them?
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Re: Qatar CEO: no new Airbus or Boeing deliveries until 2022

Sat Aug 22, 2020 5:53 am

Sokes wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
Just had a quick thought. Where will Qatar place their outgoing 777-300ERs? They are quite young actually. If there's strong demand in 2022, can we see BA taking one or two? I know they were interested at a point.

I don't know about capital and maintenance costs, but a look at the map suggests that BA has the perfect location to absorb last generation technology.
I don't think it was by chance that they flew B747-400 so long.
Maybe BA could buy all 48 of them?

I definitely see BA acquiring some of them, probably not all 48. I think maybe about 4-6 of them. They will still have the -9s coming in, so they may not want to buy too many 300ERs off Qatar.
 
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Re: Qatar CEO: no new Airbus or Boeing deliveries until 2022

Sat Aug 22, 2020 7:33 am

To which altitude can a B777-300ER with MZFW climb after take off on a 9 hours flight?
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Re: Qatar CEO: no new Airbus or Boeing deliveries until 2022

Sat Aug 22, 2020 1:36 pm

Sokes wrote:
To which altitude can a B777-300ER with MZFW climb after take off on a 9 hours flight?


That would be around 635klbs. I can't find SOP at the moment, but from my memory it should be able to reach somewhere between F320 and F340.

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QR axes EZE

Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:40 pm

Today, the airline published an statement confirming the rumours that had been circulating the last few days in Argentina, expressing they would not resume the GRU-EZE leg of the DOH-GRU-EZE route. After NZ and EK, QR becomes the third airline to leave EZE since the pandemic started. The uncertainity and lack of communication from the government makes the situation even worse for the airlines looking to return to Argentina in the near future. Article (in Spanish): https://aviacionline.com/2020/08/qatar-airways-confirma-que-deja-de-volar-a-la-argentina/
 
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Re: QR axes EZE

Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:35 pm

Too sad to see how airlines are chopping routes all around the globe. In Latin America cities like EZE, SCL, GIG and MEX are loosing flights that opened new frontiers besides the traditional European and North American markets.
 
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Re: QR axes EZE

Tue Aug 25, 2020 5:10 pm

DiegoSS02 wrote:
Today, the airline published an statement confirming the rumours that had been circulating the last few days in Argentina, expressing they would not resume the GRU-EZE leg of the DOH-GRU-EZE route. After NZ and EK, QR becomes the third airline to leave EZE since the pandemic started. The uncertainity and lack of communication from the government makes the situation even worse for the airlines looking to return to Argentina in the near future. Article (in Spanish): https://aviacionline.com/2020/08/qatar-airways-confirma-que-deja-de-volar-a-la-argentina/


Only passenger operations are being nixed. Qatar Airways Cargo will continue to operate at EZE.

Mistral1 wrote:
Too sad to see how airlines are chopping routes all around the globe. In Latin America cities like EZE, SCL, GIG and MEX are loosing flights that opened new frontiers besides the traditional European and North American markets.


In time, they will return. These are expensive to operate ULH flights which clearly did not have the best margins for the ME3s. However. when times were good they played a role on the network that is no longer justifiable under the present circumstances.
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Wed Sep 02, 2020 9:58 pm

Qatar Airways has reached an agreement with Airbus for delivery delays. The airline has 27 A350-1000s and 50 A321neos on order.

No further details. Talks continue with Boeing.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/bu ... g-13075440
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 7:57 am

mercure1 wrote:
Qatar Airways has reached an agreement with Airbus for delivery delays. The airline has 27 A350-1000s and 50 A321neos on order.

No further details. Talks continue with Boeing.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/bu ... g-13075440


Mr Abkar always likes to voice his stuff in the public.

Maybe he is trying the new negotiatings tactics this way for delivery delays?
 
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Re: Qatar CEO: no new Airbus or Boeing deliveries until 2022

Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:07 pm

Opus99 wrote:
Just had a quick thought. Where will Qatar place their outgoing 777-300ERs? They are quite young actually. If there's strong demand in 2022, can we see BA taking one or two? I know they were interested at a point.


It wouldn't surprise me in the least, given the close relationship between IAG and QR. Don't forget, EI has already acquired two ex-QR A330s (albeit one didnt actually enter service, due to Covid).

Just a question about the 789s? Are any of them now in service with QR? Are they being operated on pax flights? At least one of the newer ones ('BHI) has been flown to VCV for storage. (I know QR has decided not to take any new deliveries for some time to come, but I was just wondering if those already delivered had entered service).
 
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Re: Qatar CEO: no new Airbus or Boeing deliveries until 2022

Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:21 pm

kaitak wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
Just had a quick thought. Where will Qatar place their outgoing 777-300ERs? They are quite young actually. If there's strong demand in 2022, can we see BA taking one or two? I know they were interested at a point.


It wouldn't surprise me in the least, given the close relationship between IAG and QR. Don't forget, EI has already acquired two ex-QR A330s (albeit one didnt actually enter service, due to Covid).

Just a question about the 789s? Are any of them now in service with QR? Are they being operated on pax flights? At least one of the newer ones ('BHI) has been flown to VCV for storage. (I know QR has decided not to take any new deliveries for some time to come, but I was just wondering if those already delivered had entered service).

None of them are in service. They are all stored at an airfield near DOH or at DOH. Akbar says EIS is 2021
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 12:26 pm

mercure1 wrote:
Qatar Airways has reached an agreement with Airbus for delivery delays. The airline has 27 A350-1000s and 50 A321neos on order.

No further details. Talks continue with Boeing.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/bu ... g-13075440

Official delays, instead of just finding carpet issues. :duck:

QR is in a rough spot of trouble. Decreased demand for years with increased competition from IST, ADD, hub bypass (newer small planes flying further), as well as EK and a shrinking EY. They do not need aircraft.

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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:47 pm

Any news on if YYZ is coming back? They seem to have stopped it but any chances they will bring it back? Are they trying to lobby to bring it back?
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 5:30 pm

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Any news on if YYZ is coming back? They seem to have stopped it but any chances they will bring it back? Are they trying to lobby to bring it back?

I read that Toronto was to be served for a limited time.


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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 6:33 pm

xwb777 wrote:
andrew1996 wrote:
Any news on if YYZ is coming back? They seem to have stopped it but any chances they will bring it back? Are they trying to lobby to bring it back?

I read that Toronto was to be served for a limited time.


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Yeah I remember one site saying it but the official QR release didnt say it was limited (at least not directly) and promoted how QR now had daily flights to Canada (YUL + YYZ). I thought QR was going to keep YYZ even after July judging by its press release when YYZ was luanched
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Thu Sep 03, 2020 8:23 pm

andrew1996 wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
andrew1996 wrote:
Any news on if YYZ is coming back? They seem to have stopped it but any chances they will bring it back? Are they trying to lobby to bring it back?

I read that Toronto was to be served for a limited time.


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Yeah I remember one site saying it but the official QR release didnt say it was limited (at least not directly) and promoted how QR now had daily flights to Canada (YUL + YYZ). I thought QR was going to keep YYZ even after July judging by its press release when YYZ was luanched


I say its a PR stunt by Qatar Airways to show people that they are performing good. But the fact is that all airlines are suffering.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:52 am

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/wil ... r-airways/

Akbar says the 777X is a very good airplane and they will be taking all of them for fleet replacements.

He says he’s happy the plane is delayed otherwise they would have to take them on during the pandemic
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:57 am

Also delivery will span 7 years. Between 2022 and 2029.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:01 am

The article states that QR is the biggest buyer of the B777X with 60 on order. Excuse me??


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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:28 am

xwb777 wrote:
The article states that QR is the biggest buyer of the B777X with 60 on order. Excuse me??


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The article says Qatar might be the biggest buyer. Quite frankly that is just over exageration. I think the author is trying to insinuate Emirates might cancel a large portion of their 777x order. Clearly out of touch on that one
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Tue Sep 08, 2020 5:22 pm

Its the Canadian government being a protectionist bitch to AC, I'm sick and tired of them.

xwb777 wrote:
andrew1996 wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
I read that Toronto was to be served for a limited time.


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Yeah I remember one site saying it but the official QR release didnt say it was limited (at least not directly) and promoted how QR now had daily flights to Canada (YUL + YYZ). I thought QR was going to keep YYZ even after July judging by its press release when YYZ was luanched


I say its a PR stunt by Qatar Airways to show people that they are performing good. But the fact is that all airlines are suffering.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:41 am

Could BNE finally be permanent for QR?

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... 3wHoike9zw
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:20 pm

YYZORD wrote:
Its the Canadian government being a protectionist bitch to AC, I'm sick and tired of them.

xwb777 wrote:
andrew1996 wrote:

Yeah I remember one site saying it but the official QR release didnt say it was limited (at least not directly) and promoted how QR now had daily flights to Canada (YUL + YYZ). I thought QR was going to keep YYZ even after July judging by its press release when YYZ was luanched


I say its a PR stunt by Qatar Airways to show people that they are performing good. But the fact is that all airlines are suffering.


Unless QR knows something we don't
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Sat Sep 12, 2020 7:38 pm

Wonder if Cardiff CWL will ever see the light of day again? Was (very) slowly building up over past few years and with limited local competition.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread

Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:31 am

I heard from this person that their source told them QR is coming back to YYZ either in December or next year depending on load factors, is this true???
 
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Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Sun Sep 27, 2020 1:24 pm

Qatar Airways has announced a loss of $1.92 billion compared to a loss of $639 million last year. QR has been attributing the loss to a couple of reasons:

1) the blockade
2) the liquidation of Air Italy (49% owned by QR)
3) COVID19
4) the changing environment.

The airline has announced that it has received $2 billion from the government. The airline will be focusing on operating the A350 and B787 models.

QR has been posting losses since years. The only new thing is that the COVID situation has made it deeper.

Link: https://www.google.ae/amp/s/m.economict ... 348500.cms
 
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:07 pm

Would the new Gulf-Israel Peace deals pretty much erase any chance of removing the Qatar blockade?
 
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:09 pm

Much less talk of illegal subsidies now that every airline receives illegal subsidies. :)
 
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:26 pm

enilria wrote:
Much less talk of illegal subsidies now that every airline receives illegal subsidies. :)

Lol, you couldn’t have said it better
 
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:31 pm

enilria wrote:
Much less talk of illegal subsidies now that every airline receives illegal subsidies. :)


If payroll support is illegal, then France and Germany have it enshrined in law and it's used every day of the week.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Sun Sep 27, 2020 2:48 pm

Relatively less compared to other airline
 
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Sun Sep 27, 2020 3:02 pm

The order is interesting.


acavpics wrote:
Would the new Gulf-Israel Peace deals pretty much erase any chance of removing the Qatar blockade?

Qatar's regional politics keep up the blockade and prevent it from dropping its stance against Israel. Anyone who has read Thomas Freedman's "The World is Flat" is celebrating this mid east peace. Long term, there will be airlines catering to the needs of this new market profiting off the expansion. It won't be QR as they cannot extend a peace offer.

Airlines need bilateral rights. WW1 showed the world nations need to control their airspace and it is now a right.

QR has a "me too" business plan. With the expansion of TK at IST and ET at ADD, all the ME3 will hurt. If HYD can become a hub (they dropped the excessive fuel taxes), then there will be more competition.

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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:38 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
enilria wrote:
Much less talk of illegal subsidies now that every airline receives illegal subsidies. :)


If payroll support is illegal, then France and Germany have it enshrined in law and it's used every day of the week.

Waaaaay back in February the USA carriers clearly believed that the government paying an airline’s employees in lieu of the airline paying them was illegal!

They even claimed that the airport taking profits from concessions to lower rates for airlines was illegal which is hilarious as the whole USA operates on that basis.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:50 pm

Two points to make:
1, The blockage is not about Israel, rather, it is about the alleged ties between Qatar and Iran (and other 'terrorist organisations' including the famous brotherhood from Egypt) that pissed off Saudi. With other Gulf country finding peace with Israel, Qatar will be in an even deeper hole with its cosy relationship with Iran. The blockage will be continuing unless Qatar change its stance on Iran right now.
2, The noise about illegal subsidy is subdued when Qatar decide to throw Air Italy under the bus. One of the key issue of middle east airlines buying European airline to join the transatlantic routes was addressed when Air Italy folded. That is when AA comes back with Qatar with more codeshare and find peace with each other.

Finally, Qatar Airways also suffer losses from its airline investments due to the Covid. CX, IAG are in life support, LATAM is in bankruptcy, Air Italy is long gone. I expect Qatari government to continue in 2021 and 2022. Maybe not as much as $2 billion. And I think the loss within Qatar Airways will continue, but will be a manageable size to $300 million in 2022, and even make a small profit of 1 million or 2 if the Soccer World Cup was a success in 2022 and travel comes back by end of 2021 (plus Qatar finally come to its sense to resolve the blockage issue).
 
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Sun Sep 27, 2020 5:59 pm

According to several news channels, Qatar wants to sign a peace deal with Isreal but in return to remove the blockade by its neighbors.

Lets stay away from politics.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:13 pm

Let's face it, as long as the world is hooked on hydro carbons (in this case, gas), 2BN is akin to a minor accounting error for the state of Qatar. They could, and most likely will, continue to prop up Qatar Airways as long as they're sitting on the worlds biggest gas deposits. Whether that's fair or not I won't be the judge of; after all, CV-19 has shown that every country is ready to look after it's own, and some countries have convenient laws which allows a company to ditch its debt, shaft it's employees, apply a new lick of paint and move on from enormous losses. To put it short: Everyone's playing the game and nobody's got clean hands.
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Sun Sep 27, 2020 7:08 pm

It looks like QR's fiscal year ends 31MAR20, so COVID impact was minimal compared to what came after March. Additionally, their financial results say the operating loss was only -2.2%, so looks like non-operational items drove the loss. "General and Administrative Expenses" & "Net loss on fair valuation of equity securities" according to the financial statement (such as the IG investment failure, bad options contracts, etc).

https://www.qatarairways.com/en/press-r ... s-releases
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:31 pm

xwb777 wrote:
According to several news channels, Qatar wants to sign a peace deal with Isreal but in return to remove the blockade by its neighbors.

Lets stay away from politics.


That would be one of the best things on Earth right now. It could honestly be the line between life or death for QR.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Sun Sep 27, 2020 11:37 pm

Boiler905 wrote:
It looks like QR's fiscal year ends 31MAR20, so COVID impact was minimal compared to what came after March. Additionally, their financial results say the operating loss was only -2.2%, so looks like non-operational items drove the loss. "General and Administrative Expenses" & "Net loss on fair valuation of equity securities" according to the financial statement (such as the IG investment failure, bad options contracts, etc).

https://www.qatarairways.com/en/press-r ... s-releases

Nice find. I admit I assumed a different timeline.

April-September have been brutal.

I remain of the opinion IST and ADD expansion is eating into ME3 opportunities.

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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Mon Sep 28, 2020 12:05 am

xwb777 wrote:
Qatar Airways has announced a loss of $1.92 billion compared to a loss of $639 million last year. QR has been attributing the loss to a couple of reasons:

1) the blockade
2) the liquidation of Air Italy (49% owned by QR)
3) COVID19
4) the changing environment.

The airline has announced that it has received $2 billion from the government. The airline will be focusing on operating the A350 and B787 models.

QR has been posting losses since years. The only new thing is that the COVID situation has made it deeper.

Link: https://www.google.ae/amp/s/m.economict ... 348500.cms


No news on the fate of their A380s? I know they were planning to retire them by the end of the decade even without COVID but given they're currently stored and they said there's a good chance they'll never fly them again, that doesn't seem like a good sign.
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Mon Sep 28, 2020 4:28 am

filipinoavgeek wrote:
xwb777 wrote:
Qatar Airways has announced a loss of $1.92 billion compared to a loss of $639 million last year. QR has been attributing the loss to a couple of reasons:

1) the blockade
2) the liquidation of Air Italy (49% owned by QR)
3) COVID19
4) the changing environment.

The airline has announced that it has received $2 billion from the government. The airline will be focusing on operating the A350 and B787 models.

QR has been posting losses since years. The only new thing is that the COVID situation has made it deeper.

Link: https://www.google.ae/amp/s/m.economict ... 348500.cms


No news on the fate of their A380s? I know they were planning to retire them by the end of the decade even without COVID but given they're currently stored and they said there's a good chance they'll never fly them again, that doesn't seem like a good sign.


Wonder what they will do with the Al Safwah lounge then.

I was there shortly after the blockade started and as far as I could tell, was the only one in the Al Safwah lounge (been back since and it was slightly more busy, but still cavernously empty)
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:06 am

lightsaber wrote:
Boiler905 wrote:
It looks like QR's fiscal year ends 31MAR20, so COVID impact was minimal compared to what came after March. Additionally, their financial results say the operating loss was only -2.2%, so looks like non-operational items drove the loss. "General and Administrative Expenses" & "Net loss on fair valuation of equity securities" according to the financial statement (such as the IG investment failure, bad options contracts, etc).

https://www.qatarairways.com/en/press-r ... s-releases

Nice find. I admit I assumed a different timeline.

April-September have been brutal.

I remain of the opinion IST and ADD expansion is eating into ME3 opportunities.

Lightsaber

And the new US-Africa/India nonstops that make the ME3 redundant are gonna make the blow even worse
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:16 am

lightsaber wrote:
Boiler905 wrote:
It looks like QR's fiscal year ends 31MAR20, so COVID impact was minimal compared to what came after March. Additionally, their financial results say the operating loss was only -2.2%, so looks like non-operational items drove the loss. "General and Administrative Expenses" & "Net loss on fair valuation of equity securities" according to the financial statement (such as the IG investment failure, bad options contracts, etc).

https://www.qatarairways.com/en/press-r ... s-releases

Nice find. I admit I assumed a different timeline.

April-September have been brutal.

I remain of the opinion IST and ADD expansion is eating into ME3 opportunities.

Lightsaber


I’m not sure ADD will be a substantial factor. I don’t believe they can make it to the US nonstop. The product is also pretty lousy and safety is lacking. Turkish is a bigger competitor but political stability in Turkey is lacking.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:17 am

lightsaber wrote:
Boiler905 wrote:
It looks like QR's fiscal year ends 31MAR20, so COVID impact was minimal compared to what came after March. Additionally, their financial results say the operating loss was only -2.2%, so looks like non-operational items drove the loss. "General and Administrative Expenses" & "Net loss on fair valuation of equity securities" according to the financial statement (such as the IG investment failure, bad options contracts, etc).

https://www.qatarairways.com/en/press-r ... s-releases

Nice find. I admit I assumed a different timeline.

April-September have been brutal.

I remain of the opinion IST and ADD expansion is eating into ME3 opportunities.

Lightsaber


IST will have way more impact than ADD unless ET improves its safety record and obtains the ability to fly nonstop to the US (they only can ex-US currently, IIRC) since their flights all stop in Europe enroute to the US. Nonetheless, it's hard to ignore ET's # of routes and georgraphical position to serve the eastern and southern African continent; better than TK at least. The Ethiopian diaspora cities like IAD, LAX, YYZ, all maintained ET service quite well over the years.

I would go as far as to say TK has overtaken EY as a true ME3 contender, EY's breadth no longer really compares to EK, TK, QR. Which makes sense if they were to... you know... merge with EK :stirthepot:
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:57 am

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And the new US-Africa/India nonstops that make the ME3 redundant are gonna make the blow even worse

Why would nonstop flights mean the end for connecting flights? From Amsterdam I can take KLM nonstop to many destinations. But probably half the time I select Lufthansa, Swiss or another airline. Because the price is usually lower and the equipment more interesting. Also I believe a lot of people travel (or used to travel, I should say now unfortunately) on the ME3, because they prefer their service levels over that of US airlines.
 
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:04 am

MartijnNL wrote:
stl07 wrote:
And the new US-Africa/India nonstops that make the ME3 redundant are gonna make the blow even worse

Why would nonstop flights mean the end for connecting flights? From Amsterdam I can take KLM nonstop to many destinations. But probably half the time I select Lufthansa, Swiss or another airline. Because the price is usually lower and the equipment more interesting. Also I believe a lot of people travel (or used to travel, I should say now unfortunately) on the ME3, because they prefer their service levels over that of US airlines.

Because most travelers are not like us I would say. When I went to India with another family, I went from STL-ORD-LHR-DOH-GOA-BOM so that I could check out the AA 787 Flagship product, the QR a380 business class, the QR longer-haul narrowbody business class, and the Vistara premium economy (probably the best service I have received on a short hop flight ever, regardless of class). It was a once-in-a-lifetime experience. The other family, who also traveled on miles and could care less about airplane equipment, flew on the nonstop to BOM on UA's business product., which reduced their travel time by a DAY and if paying in cash was way cheaper than what I did. The ME3 become popular for Americans yes because of their fake persona of affluence provided by their admittedly excellent service and PR, but also because there were very few nonstops to places people want to go to. Nowadays you can even get to India from SFO and soon (hopefully) SEA.
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:50 pm

MartijnNL wrote:
stl07 wrote:
And the new US-Africa/India nonstops that make the ME3 redundant are gonna make the blow even worse

Why would nonstop flights mean the end for connecting flights? From Amsterdam I can take KLM nonstop to many destinations. But probably half the time I select Lufthansa, Swiss or another airline. Because the price is usually lower and the equipment more interesting. Also I believe a lot of people travel (or used to travel, I should say now unfortunately) on the ME3, because they prefer their service levels over that of US airlines.

Premium traffic prefers a non-stop which reduces yield for connecting flights. The above listed buying preferences prove that.

A non-stop SFO to India will be preferred over any connection. However, I would expect much of the plane to be connecting traffic, which won't pay a premium over another connections.

For the ME3, including QR, I worry more about IST increasing connections. While India is an interesting market, the mid-East, North Africa, SE Asia, Europe, Australia, and China are also big markets.

While Israel is the new interesting growth market, it is but one or two airports onto the ME3 routemap. I would like to see more India to Israel flights bypassing the hubs.

Until business travel returns, QR is going to lack revenue.

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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Mon Sep 28, 2020 1:52 pm

there has to be a cull in a lot of their showboat ‘borderline’ routes...
Often their load factor is way lower than other similar routes...
 
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Re: Qatar Airways reports $1.92 billion loss

Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:52 pm

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Waaaaay back in February the USA carriers clearly believed that the government paying an airline’s employees in lieu of the airline paying them was illegal!

They even claimed that the airport taking profits from concessions to lower rates for airlines was illegal which is hilarious as the whole USA operates on that basis.


QR never denied getting equity from its owner which happens to be a state. It always argued equity infusion by owner is not a subsidy, just because the owner is a state.
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