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Pegasus Airlines Flight PC2193 Runway Overrun at Istanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:51 pm

According to the FR24 Twitter feed, a Pegasus B738 overran the runway. Initial photos show extensive damage.

Source: https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 2367739910
Video: https://twitter.com/Hsn_Erydn/status/12 ... 9898821637

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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:55 pm

 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:55 pm

Extensive damage alright, let’s hope for a good outcome for those onboard.

Didn’t they have an overrun at the same airport last month ?

LTFJ-A0743/20 *** NEW ***
From: 5/2/2020 15:31 UTC
To: 5/2/2020 17:30 UTC
RWY 06/24 CLSD.
-DUE TO AIRCRAFT CRASH-

Metar a minute after landing

METAR LTFJ 051520Z 29022G37KT 240V330 7000 -TSRA FEW017CB BKN025 BKN070 11/09 Q0992 RESHRA NOSIG

Location: LTFJ
Report emitted the day: 05, time 15:20 UTC
Wednesday 5 February 2020 23:20 local time.
Wind: True direction = 290 degrees, speed: 22 knots (41 km/h) (11 m/s), with Gusts of maximum speed 37 knots (69 km/h) (19 m/s).
Wind direction is variable between 240 and 330 degrees.
Minimum horizontal visibility: 7000 m.
Weather: Light Thunderstorms Rain .
Clouds: A few (1-2 oktas), at 1700 feet above aerodrome level (518 meters), cumulonimbus.
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:56 pm

The flight was operating PC2193 from Izmir. A 10 year old 738 registered TC-IZK.
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:57 pm

I had already posted this but it seemed to have disappeared and been replaced now.

You have to wonder about these Turkish carriers and their standards. It's almost a monthly occurrence of a Turkish plane having some kind of incident.
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:01 pm

zeke wrote:
Didn’t they have an overrun at the same airport last year ?

They had one on Jan 7 2020.
http://avherald.com/h?search_term=pegas ... search.y=0

Or are you thinking of the runway excursion at Trabzon, which was on Jan 13, 2018?
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:01 pm

177 on board, no casualties so far. Thunderstorm, probable aqua planning.
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:05 pm

Another week another 737 over run. This one looks absolutely destroyed though, fingers crossed everyone is ok. Amazing if there are no casualties from that!
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:05 pm

Ouch! Must have left the runway at still high speed.
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:07 pm

Just saw this pop up in the fr24 facebook group, looks like she touched down fairly far down the runway from fr24 data (which can't really be trusted in this case)
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:09 pm

Armodeen wrote:
Another week another 737 over run. This one looks absolutely destroyed though, fingers crossed everyone is ok. Amazing if there are no casualties from that!


I hope I’m wrong, but there has to be 1-2 casualties at least.

It says something that nobody asked ”the question” yet.
 
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Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:10 pm

 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:16 pm

"According to the Minister of Transport there were no casualties."
Considering the aircraft experienced a 20m/60ft drop and the shape the fuselage is in, I'd say that's a miracle.

https://aviation-safety.net/database/re ... 20200205-0
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:18 pm

God speed. Hope there is no casualty. It has been a challenging January for almost everyone, let's hope the rest of the year is more uneventful.
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:19 pm

For sure there’s fatalities on that. 2020 isn’t off to a very good start.
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:20 pm

If no one is seriously injured it will be fantastic. https://twitter.com/lucasrohan/status/1 ... 73633?s=20
This picture shows the damage from the other side.
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:20 pm

Goodness, hoping for the best in terms of lives, if it is true the aircraft hit a 60ft drop at the end the fuselage is not in bad shape for that.

What was weather like?
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:23 pm

seansasLCY wrote:
If no one is seriously injured it will be fantastic. https://twitter.com/lucasrohan/status/1 ... 73633?s=20
This picture shows the damage from the other side.


There was one that mentionned the Max.
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:24 pm

juliuswong wrote:
God speed. Hope there is no casualty. It has been a challenging January for almost everyone, let's hope the rest of the year is more uneventful.


Good news is from one of the videos on Twitter I saw people exiting the overwing, rear, and front of the fuselage.
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:24 pm

Weather around the time of the accident (15:19 UTC).

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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:28 pm

Avherald says the Transport Ministry is reporting no casualties. Hope it holds up.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4d2e6a8d&opt=0
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:28 pm

The last speed recorded by Flightradar was 70kts.
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:28 pm

The cliff at the end of the runway is quite steep. right after the runway there is concrete bank for landing lights, followed by a road, another concrete wall, construction road, a ditch and the highway wall. Probably the plane came to an halt by the wall.
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:31 pm

At least this one wasn't thirsty. Amazing how there were no casualties.
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:31 pm

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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:31 pm

Pretty sure this is a writeoff
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:33 pm

Turkish gov't officially reports the following:

ANKARA

"A passenger plane on Wednesday skidded off the runway at an Istanbul airport, breaking into two.

The Pegasus Airlines plane was arriving from Turkey's Aegean province of Izmir at Sabiha Gokcen International Airport when it skidded off the runway during landing, according to Turkey’s Transportation and Infrastructure Minister Cahit Turhan.

Television footage showed the plane separated from its fuselage after it burst into flames following the crash. Several firefighters and paramedics were dispatched to the area.

According to Turhan, there are no casualties among 177 passengers on board. "Our teams are currently evacuating the passengers. There are no casualties so far, only injured ones," Turhan said.

Prosecutors in capital Ankara launched an investigation into the incident. The airport has been temporarily closed to air traffic."

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/turkey/turkey- ... ul/1725469
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:37 pm

1 source from Twitter said that all survived

https://twitter.com/RudawEnglish/status ... 6661926914
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:40 pm

Aircraft still moving at a high-ish speed, hits a wall, drops off a cliff and no fatalities. Hope it stays this way but Wow.
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:40 pm

I really hope that they find no casualties, but looking at the wreckage, especially the forward fuselage, I am not all that optimistic.
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:41 pm

When is building a runway at the edge of a cliff ever a good idea?
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:42 pm

Let us hope, it is true, that everyone got out alive, the damage is huge, it is broken in three pieces and the first crack is really bad. I am little bit surprised, if really everyone got out alive. The first crack is there, were regular members of the cabin crew is sitting., just in front of the passenger cabin?
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:43 pm

Francoflier wrote:
I really hope that they find no casualties, but looking at the wreckage, especially the forward fuselage, I am not all that optimistic.


I think there is a clarification that needs to be made, from twitter "#Turkey's transport minister says none of the 177 passengers on board were killed", I guess that is not ruling out injuries to the crew.
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:45 pm

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This has nothing to do with Boeing but rather safety culture and unfortunate situations. Any attempt to just blame Team B and 737 is getting old.

Hope everyone survives.


The 737NG has a significantly higher approach speed vs other aircraft, and given the tiny landing gear and risk of tail strike, has much less room to flare on touchdown. That combined with bad weather or poor pilot skills (which seems to be commonplace in Turkey) puts this aircraft type at a much higher risk of events like these.
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:46 pm

It appears that they landed with a tailwind in rainy conditions.... not ideal but it looks like other aircraft did the approach and landing fine.
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:48 pm

sonicruiser wrote:
Pretty sure this is a writeoff

Why this this even said? It’s not funny really; especially when there could very well be casualties.
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:49 pm

Just out of curiosity are the 737-800s designed to break at specific zones in the aircraft. There are similarities with this one, the Caribbean Airlines one in Guyana; the American Airlines one in Jamaica; Turkish Airlines Amsterdam, Lion Air in Bali. In most of these listed, casualties were very low, despite the damage
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:54 pm

I would not be surprised if they forgot to arm the spoilers ....
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:59 pm

I'm in Istanbul right now and it's been raining hard all day, which is unusual for Istanbul. I imagine the runway could have been flooded. Regarding the airline, Pegasus, I've flown with them many times and always found them to be very good. They are a Turkish low-cost airline and perhaps not very well-known outside of Turkey and the Middle East but they are a big airline with quite a large fleet of fairly new 737s and A320s. In fact I arrived on them from London at SAW just a few days ago. From the damage it looks pretty certain there will be casualties.
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:59 pm

sonicruiser wrote:
When is building a runway at the edge of a cliff ever a good idea?

When is landing with a 22G37 knots tailwind ever a good idea?
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Istanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:05 pm

It's interesting that these kind of excursions seem to happen more to 737s than to a320s.

Maybe some 737 pilots could comment? Is there something about this plane that causes them to be more difficult to land in severe conditions?
 
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Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:06 pm

Dutch tv news now reporting 52 people injured.
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Istanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:07 pm

bx737 wrote:
Just out of curiosity are the 737-800s designed to break at specific zones in the aircraft. There are similarities with this one, the Caribbean Airlines one in Guyana; the American Airlines one in Jamaica; Turkish Airlines Amsterdam, Lion Air in Bali. In most of these listed, casualties were very low, despite the damage


I'm not sure it is designed to break at these specific places, but it certainly seems to be where it does... In any case, the breaking of the fuselage and the mangling of the metal would absorb a lot of the energy of the impact, which is good and, along with the sturdy seats and floor, seems to give these events a rather high survivability rate. Let's hope it was enough to save everyone this time.

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Francoflier wrote:
I really hope that they find no casualties, but looking at the wreckage, especially the forward fuselage, I am not all that optimistic.


I think there is a clarification that needs to be made, from twitter "#Turkey's transport minister says none of the 177 passengers on board were killed", I guess that is not ruling out injuries to the crew.


True, but I'm not sure I even trust what the Turkish authorities say this early in the rescue effort.
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Istanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:08 pm

jwjsamster wrote:
It's interesting that these kind of excursions seem to happen more to 737s than to a320s.

Maybe some 737 pilots could comment? Is there something about this plane that causes them to be more difficult to land in severe conditions?
High approach speeds and not a lot of room for flaring due to rail strike risk are the main ones. But a lot of these are occurring in really bad conditions in fairness to the aircraft. Lets not forget other 738s landed before this flight also.
 
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:09 pm

peterinlisbon wrote:
I'm in Istanbul right now and it's been raining hard all day, which is unusual for Istanbul. I imagine the runway could have been flooded. Regarding the airline, Pegasus, I've flown with them many times and always found them to be very good. They are a Turkish low-cost airline and perhaps not very well-known outside of Turkey and the Middle East but they are a big airline with quite a large fleet of fairly new 737s and A320s. In fact I arrived on them from London at SAW just a few days ago. From the damage it looks pretty certain there will be casualties.


Isn't it supposed to snow in Istanbul tomorrow?

Been a rough week in Turkey with earthquakes and avalanches.
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Istanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:12 pm

jwjsamster wrote:
It's interesting that these kind of excursions seem to happen more to 737s than to a320s.

Maybe some 737 pilots could comment? Is there something about this plane that causes them to be more difficult to land in severe conditions?


You can slam an A320 down on a wet surface harder than a 737 due to clearance differences. The harder you land in wet conditions, the less likely you are to skid.
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Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Instanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:15 pm

peterinlisbon wrote:
I'm in Istanbul right now and it's been raining hard all day.


I'm not an expert but roads can become very slippery after a long, dry period and it suddenly starts raining. The rubber from the tires and the oil/petrol drops can be a very dangerous combination.
Maybe the rubber on the runway in combination with the rain had a negative impact on the 737's braking performance?
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Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:16 pm

frigatebird wrote:
Dutch tv news now reporting 52 people injured.

Turkish News says, no life threatening injury news from those 52 patients that are admitted to different hospitals.
None of the 12 kids that were on board were injured.
Both pilots in critical condition. Some reports suggest that in the cockpit there were one Turkish and one South Korean pilot.
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Re: Pegasus Airlines Flight PC2193 Runway Overrun at Istanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:22 pm

There's been some bad weather in Turkey lately, lot of heavy rain and snow across the country contributing to last month's skid of a PG flight at SAW arriving from SHJ, also in heavy rain, in addition to the avalanches and other extreme weather phenomena in Turkey this week. This is in addition to the infamous PG skid off an embankment at TZX.
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Re: Pegasus Airlines Flight PC2193 Runway Overrun at Istanbul (SAW)

Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:23 pm

171+6. 52 injured, 2 pilots are in critical condition.

says the Turkish press

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