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Re: The rest of Tennessee - TYS, CHA, TRI, ect.

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:19 pm

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TYSflyer wrote:
Looks like a DL 767-300 will be at TYS tomorrow afternoon I am assuming to fly UT down to JAX for the Gator Bowl. Oddly it is repositioning to TYS from BOS.

Both a 763 and a 717.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KTYS/KJAX
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KTYS/KJAX

Kentucky (UK) took a 767-300 LEX-CLT for the Belk Bowl. That 763 ferried in from and later back to RDU which seems just as odd.

True, DL is growing their BOS operations (including across the pond). Maybe some DL European flights from BOS and RDU are no-op on a few days during this holiday period thus the extra planes. But it's still somewhat automatic to expect DL repositions from ATL, DTW, JFK.

Looks like the UT return trip will be via a DL A321 and a DL MD-88.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KJAX/KTYS
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KJAX/KTYS
 
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Re: The rest of Tennessee - TYS, CHA, TRI, ect.

Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:21 am

TYSflyer wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
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At least for parts of the 2019 holidays, Delta CHA-ATL is strictly CR2 :devil: territory! Kind of like what so many flights out of CHA and TYS were like ten to fifteen years ago :( . No DL mainline TYS-ATL as well. Additional two class regional jets and some mainline should return after the new year.

AA TYS-DFW and CHA-DFW flights have taken it on the chin. Three Eagle flights out of TYS have been cancelled the last two days, two of them Mesa CR9s....the same flight two days in a row (AA 5797). Ditto AA 5864 two days in a row CHA-DFW (also Mesa CR9s) :banghead:


Turns out DFW experienced heavy fog thus lots of flights were delayed/canceled. Not just Mesa and their CR9s (notorious for not-so-good reliability) but other AA affiliates such as Envoy.

Unfortunately it appears DFW-TYS is going all Mesa CR9s in April (all 5 flights). Not great from a reliability standpoint. However, still remains hard to believe how much that route has grown. Just 2-3 years ago it was 4 daily 50 seaters.

With any luck, hopefully those April dates are more like placeholders which could at least partially change to some Envoy E70s later on. Even some PSA/SkyWest CR7s/CR9s to DFW would be better than Mesa CR9s. With PSA having a base at TYS, hopefully that will enable them to have at least some DFW service. I've generally had good flights on PSA and SkyWest.

A few years ago, I used Mesa E70s/75s dba United Express for at least one round trip via IAH and that was routine. From what I have been able to gather, Mesa's UA operations for what ever reasons have a better reputation than Mesa's AA flights. If true, go figure :spin:

Actually, I had good trips on Mesa years and years ago when they were a US Airways Express affiliate. As good as flights on CR2s/E45s can be, anyway.
 
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Re: The rest of Tennessee - TYS, CHA, TRI, ect.

Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:45 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
TYSflyer wrote:
Looks like a DL 767-300 will be at TYS tomorrow afternoon I am assuming to fly UT down to JAX for the Gator Bowl. Oddly it is repositioning to TYS from BOS.

Both a 763 and a 717.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KTYS/KJAX
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KTYS/KJAX

Kentucky (UK) took a 767-300 LEX-CLT for the Belk Bowl. That 763 ferried in from and later back to RDU which seems just as odd.

True, DL is growing their BOS operations (including across the pond). Maybe some DL European flights from BOS and RDU are no-op on a few days during this holiday period thus the extra planes. But it's still somewhat automatic to expect DL repositions from ATL, DTW, JFK.

Looks like the UT return trip will be via a DL A321 and a DL MD-88.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KJAX/KTYS
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KJAX/KTYS


In years past I have noticed that the UT basketball teams chartered Elite Airways CR7 for all of their travel. However, this year they have so far used DL MD88s. Talk about an upgrade for their travel!

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8916
 
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Re: The rest of Tennessee - TYS, CHA, TRI, ect.

Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:05 am

TYSflyer wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
Both a 763 and a 717.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KTYS/KJAX
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KTYS/KJAX

Kentucky (UK) took a 767-300 LEX-CLT for the Belk Bowl. That 763 ferried in from and later back to RDU which seems just as odd.

True, DL is growing their BOS operations (including across the pond). Maybe some DL European flights from BOS and RDU are no-op on a few days during this holiday period thus the extra planes. But it's still somewhat automatic to expect DL repositions from ATL, DTW, JFK.

Looks like the UT return trip will be via a DL A321 and a DL MD-88.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KJAX/KTYS
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KJAX/KTYS


In years past I have noticed that the UT basketball teams chartered Elite Airways CR7 for all of their travel. However, this year they have so far used DL MD88s. Talk about an upgrade for their travel!

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL8916


Even more suprising is that the women appear to be getting the same charter treatment.
 
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Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:18 am

My son went to College in Bristol Tennesse what a beautiful area sad and happy my son graduated but those were long trips LAX-ATL-TRI-ATL-LAX for four years i always tried to get on the MD-88 very nice ride into a small nice airport and always got lucky while connecting thru ATL.Ive made the drive from BNA to TRI what a scenic drive everybody has big lawns in the country hehe.
 
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Re: The rest of Tennessee - TYS, CHA, TRI, ect.

Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:48 am

G4 has announced multiple new destinations from TYS. All are seasonal.

TYS-BOS
TYS-HOU
TYS-MDW
TYS-AUS
TYS-MYR

BOS, HOU, and MDW will be more than just new Allegiant destinations from TYS. These three airports will be brand new G4 destinations period.
 
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Wed Jan 15, 2020 12:59 am

dlflynhayn wrote:
My son went to College in Bristol Tennesse what a beautiful area sad and happy my son graduated but those were long trips LAX-ATL-TRI-ATL-LAX for four years i always tried to get on the MD-88 very nice ride into a small nice airport and always got lucky while connecting thru ATL.Ive made the drive from BNA to TRI what a scenic drive everybody has big lawns in the country hehe.

Currently, DL has 717s and DL Connection flights flying ATL-TRI. It will be interesting to see if the MD-88 will make what would be its final appearance to TRI this coming summer.

At least for part of last year, DL had a 738 as the morning originator TRI-ATL. I saw at least once or twice that a 739 was used (unless it was a Flight Aware glitch). It may be debatable about 739 seats being less comfortable :crowded: than MD-88 seats. But from a spotters geek view, nice to see such a relatively large airliner like the 739 at TRI.
 
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Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:52 am

tnair1974 wrote:
G4 has announced multiple new destinations from TYS. All are seasonal.

TYS-BOS
TYS-HOU
TYS-MDW
TYS-AUS
TYS-MYR

BOS, HOU, and MDW will be more than just new Allegiant destinations from TYS. These three airports will be brand new G4 destinations period.

Great news! There have been rumblings on here for a couple of years that they were interested in Midway. Austin always seemed like a good possibility. Boston seems to be off to a great start with the most interest from looking at some of the seating charts of the 5 new adds. MYR is resumption of service that G4 flew in 2009, 2010. I was definitely not thinking of HOB at all so nice addition. This is the biggest one time expansion at TYS in G4’s history here.
 
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Wed Jan 15, 2020 4:42 pm

Impressive year(s) of growth at CHA. This is 90% growth since 2010.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/bus ... ly/513008/

"Last year, Chattanooga Airport posted its sixth consecutive year of record traffic, blowing past last year's mark by nearly 10%. The airport boarded 554,050 passengers in 2019, according to the latest figures."

* 2019 - 554,050
* 2018 - 504,298
* 2017 - 484,517
* 2016 - 419,059
* 2015 - 392,139
* 2014 - 352,459

Source: Chattanooga Airport
 
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Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:20 pm

tys777 wrote:
Impressive year(s) of growth at CHA. This is 90% growth since 2010.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/bus ... ly/513008/

"Last year, Chattanooga Airport posted its sixth consecutive year of record traffic, blowing past last year's mark by nearly 10%. The airport boarded 554,050 passengers in 2019, according to the latest figures."

* 2019 - 554,050
* 2018 - 504,298
* 2017 - 484,517
* 2016 - 419,059
* 2015 - 392,139
* 2014 - 352,459

Source: Chattanooga Airport

Nice to see all the airports here doing well. I always get a little annoyed that it takes so long for TYS to post passenger stats. We may get them this week since they have an airport authority meeting.
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 12:16 am

TYSflyer wrote:
tys777 wrote:
Impressive year(s) of growth at CHA. This is 90% growth since 2010.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/bus ... ly/513008/

"Last year, Chattanooga Airport posted its sixth consecutive year of record traffic, blowing past last year's mark by nearly 10%. The airport boarded 554,050 passengers in 2019, according to the latest figures."

* 2019 - 554,050
* 2018 - 504,298
* 2017 - 484,517
* 2016 - 419,059
* 2015 - 392,139
* 2014 - 352,459

Source: Chattanooga Airport

Nice to see all the airports here doing well. I always get a little annoyed that it takes so long for TYS to post passenger stats. We may get them this week since they have an airport authority meeting.

No indication that TRI has released their passenger stats, neither.

I initially found information about Tri-Cities releasing their 2019 stats....only to discover it was Tri-Cities Airport (PSC) in the state of Washington. :lol: Good for PSC anyway, as they like many airports across the country had an all time high in passengers.
 
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:17 am

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Back in the early '80's, when I was going to UT, TYS had L1011's flying in and out from DL, and even got an oddball DC-8 one time. That was fun, those L10's would fly pretty low out of ATL, as it was just a short flight, skimming over the mountains before dropping down into TYS.


Man that would have been cool. I just graduated from UT so missed that boat by a few decades. Nearly always found myself on CRJ200s out TYS. (to PHL mostly). Largest thing I flew out of TYS on was an A319 with DL to ATL. Did enjoy the A319 flight as it was relatively low as well. Caught some nice views.

I'm flying back for a few days in April. Inbound scheduled as an ERJ145 and the return, once again, a CRJ200. I'd kill for an L1011 (an aircraft I never got to fly).
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 5:48 pm

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Back in the early '80's, when I was going to UT, TYS had L1011's flying in and out from DL, and even got an oddball DC-8 one time. That was fun, those L10's would fly pretty low out of ATL, as it was just a short flight, skimming over the mountains before dropping down into TYS.


Man that would have been cool. I just graduated from UT so missed that boat by a few decades. Nearly always found myself on CRJ200s out TYS. (to PHL mostly). Largest thing I flew out of TYS on was an A319 with DL to ATL. Did enjoy the A319 flight as it was relatively low as well. Caught some nice views.

I'm flying back for a few days in April. Inbound scheduled as an ERJ145 and the return, once again, a CRJ200. I'd kill for an L1011 (an aircraft I never got to fly).


Yea, the L10's were awesome old girls. But honestly, if you're flying into TYS on a clear day, that track over the mountains before landing is spectacular. Any window seat on any airliner is worth it.

I'm in Miami now, but moving back to Knoxville later this year. Go Vols!!
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Mon Feb 03, 2020 8:42 pm

slvrblt wrote:
argentinevol98 wrote:
slvrblt wrote:
Back in the early '80's, when I was going to UT, TYS had L1011's flying in and out from DL, and even got an oddball DC-8 one time. That was fun, those L10's would fly pretty low out of ATL, as it was just a short flight, skimming over the mountains before dropping down into TYS.


Man that would have been cool. I just graduated from UT so missed that boat by a few decades. Nearly always found myself on CRJ200s out TYS. (to PHL mostly). Largest thing I flew out of TYS on was an A319 with DL to ATL. Did enjoy the A319 flight as it was relatively low as well. Caught some nice views.

I'm flying back for a few days in April. Inbound scheduled as an ERJ145 and the return, once again, a CRJ200. I'd kill for an L1011 (an aircraft I never got to fly).


Yea, the L10's were awesome old girls. But honestly, if you're flying into TYS on a clear day, that track over the mountains before landing is spectacular. Any window seat on any airliner is worth it.

I'm in Miami now, but moving back to Knoxville later this year. Go Vols!!


Yeah I also love the turn towards TYS (at least when coming in from the PHL-can't remember if you get that view coming in from ATL) that gives you a great view of the river with campus, Neyland and Thompson-Boling along the bank. I did make sure to reserve windows on both flights!

Go Big Orange!
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Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:20 pm

TYS released 2019 statistics today. Served 2,572,775 passengers up 15.8%. Not too bad for an airport that seemed to flounder in the 1.5-1.8 million passenger count for the better part of 2 1/2 decades. With the G4 adds this year, 3 million passengers is certainly not out of question if the economy stays strong.
 
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Sat Feb 08, 2020 9:07 pm

Scary situation on PSA flight CLT-TYS yesterday. I haven’t heard any updates on the nature of the injuries to the flight attendant so I hope they were just minor.

https://www.wrcbtv.com/story/41676689/6 ... turbulence
 
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Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:01 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
TYSflyer wrote:
tys777 wrote:
Impressive year(s) of growth at CHA. This is 90% growth since 2010.

https://www.timesfreepress.com/news/bus ... ly/513008/

"Last year, Chattanooga Airport posted its sixth consecutive year of record traffic, blowing past last year's mark by nearly 10%. The airport boarded 554,050 passengers in 2019, according to the latest figures."

* 2019 - 554,050
* 2018 - 504,298
* 2017 - 484,517
* 2016 - 419,059
* 2015 - 392,139
* 2014 - 352,459

Source: Chattanooga Airport

Nice to see all the airports here doing well. I always get a little annoyed that it takes so long for TYS to post passenger stats. We may get them this week since they have an airport authority meeting.

No indication that TRI has released their passenger stats, neither.

I initially found information about Tri-Cities releasing their 2019 stats....only to discover it was Tri-Cities Airport (PSC) in the state of Washington. :lol: Good for PSC anyway, as they like many airports across the country had an all time high in passengers.

Unless I overlooked it, I still haven't seen any release by TRI airport of their 2019 passenger stats. But there is this source:
https://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports. ... ol/Johnson

After declining in 2016 and 2017, enplanements/deplanements have risen the last two years. 2019 had about 429,000 passengers which just edges out 2015.

More good news is that AA will upgauge its Eagle flights from DFW this coming June. No mention of what type of equipment, but it will include first class seating. Eagle currently uses E45s for DFW-TRI.
 
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Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:03 am

According to the most recent Official Airline Guide edition, AA will discontinue CHA-PHL. Maybe the first of many cuts, reductions of frequency at CHA, TYS, etc. due to Coronavirus? Perhaps not great loads? A little of both?

Anyway, CHA-PHL only had one daily E145 flight via Piedmont (the current PT, obviously not the old PI although sure wish the old Piedmont was still around).
 
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Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:57 am

tnair1974 wrote:
According to the most recent Official Airline Guide edition, AA will discontinue CHA-PHL. Maybe the first of many cuts, reductions of frequency at CHA, TYS, etc. due to Coronavirus? Perhaps not great loads? A little of both?

Anyway, CHA-PHL only had one daily E145 flight via Piedmont (the current PT, obviously not the old PI although sure wish the old Piedmont was still around).

Yes, I anticipate the coming months will be pretty brutal for airports across the world from passenger volume perspective. TYS, for example, has had something like 44 consecutive months of year over year passenger growth, but I suspect that will end as of March. TYS survived the current AA summer schedule load without any frequency reductions. However, they had 2 A319s in the summer schedule in 2019 which are not there this year so there is definitely a significant decrease in the number of seats offered. On a somewhat different note, TYS has to be one of the largest if not largest AA station without mainline service. This summer TYS will have 26 daily flights across 7 destinations all on regional aircraft. Anyone know of any stations that have more service without mainline?
 
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Mon Mar 09, 2020 3:24 am

tnair1974 wrote:
According to the most recent Official Airline Guide edition, AA will discontinue CHA-PHL. Maybe the first of many cuts, reductions of frequency at CHA, TYS, etc. due to Coronavirus? Perhaps not great loads? A little of both?

Anyway, CHA-PHL only had one daily E145 flight via Piedmont (the current PT, obviously not the old PI although sure wish the old Piedmont was still around).


What were the loads like? I have moved from Chatty back to Philly and was thinking about using this flight a little bit until I saw the arr/dep times. They look almost exactly like when US was flying PHL-LGA back in the mid-2000's(it got cut pretty quickly as well). Those flights are brutal - getting into Chattanooga late (or not at all) and leaving Chattanooga before the rooster crows (or not at all if the plane didn't make it in the night before). I have no desire to wake up at 3am to make it to the airport around 4am for an almost 5am departure. We did it for many years with kids because we didn't have a choice but it was always painful.
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Re: The rest of Tennessee (TYS, CHA, TRI ect.) Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:16 am

cha747 wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
According to the most recent Official Airline Guide edition, AA will discontinue CHA-PHL. Maybe the first of many cuts, reductions of frequency at CHA, TYS, etc. due to Coronavirus? Perhaps not great loads? A little of both?

Anyway, CHA-PHL only had one daily E145 flight via Piedmont (the current PT, obviously not the old PI although sure wish the old Piedmont was still around).


What were the loads like? I have moved from Chatty back to Philly and was thinking about using this flight a little bit until I saw the arr/dep times. They look almost exactly like when US was flying PHL-LGA back in the mid-2000's(it got cut pretty quickly as well). Those flights are brutal - getting into Chattanooga late (or not at all) and leaving Chattanooga before the rooster crows (or not at all if the plane didn't make it in the night before). I have no desire to wake up at 3am to make it to the airport around 4am for an almost 5am departure. We did it for many years with kids because we didn't have a choice but it was always painful.

At least within my circle, I don't know of any that have recently used the CHA-PHL flight. While I've visited/transferred through PHL a couple of times the last 15 or so years, I've either used ATL (when living/working in Atlanta) or TYS.

I also learned a thing or two about the occasional pain traveling with young kids on early/late flights can be, and I only have one child (now in college). But I do have nice memories when I myself was a kid of flying out of CHA in a seemingly huge DL 727-200 on the very short trip to ATL (return trip was via D93).
 
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Wed Mar 18, 2020 12:40 am

G4 has been tweaking their schedule over the last 2 days. Most notable changes for TYS have been SRQ and PBI suspended starting next week for 3 weeks. Some dropped frequencies for their other FL destinations. It also appears DL is temporarily suspending TYS-MSP for early April. I suspect some more dramatic cuts for April later this week. Watching the parking chart for TYS on their website, the drop in passenger numbers this week has been tremendous.
 
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Wed Mar 18, 2020 2:34 pm

My flight on G4 for tomorrow from Knoxville to Newark got cancelled late last night. They did offer a full refund.
 
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:31 pm

As expected the cuts continue to mount at TYS. G4 is temporarily suspending SRQ and PBI until late June. I would not be completely surprised to see both of these get permanently cut. G4 has also loaded frequency reductions for many of their Florida routes until mid June. AA is suspending LGA in April and UA is suspending EWR for April and May. DL is suspending MSP for April as well. Many other frequency reductions over the next 2 months just too many to mention. I suspect this will continue to be the theme in the coming weeks.
 
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Mon Apr 06, 2020 4:31 am

With the April 5 OAG update, yet more changes. AA is suspending CHA-DCA and TYS-DCA. F9 is suspending TYS-DEN.

Even routes like DFW-TRI, DFW-CHA and DFW-TYS will have greatly reduced frequencies.

More importantly, hope everybody is staying safe.
 
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Thu May 28, 2020 9:56 pm

Link about CHA's predicament and slow recovery from the pandemic.
https://www.chattanoogan.com/2020/5/18/ ... nding.aspx

Suppose this could be a similar story for TYS, TRI, and so many other airports. If we keep our guard up, hopefully any second COVID-19 wave will be less detrimental than what we have just been through.
 
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Fri May 29, 2020 12:09 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
Link about CHA's predicament and slow recovery from the pandemic.
https://www.chattanoogan.com/2020/5/18/ ... nding.aspx

Suppose this could be a similar story for TYS, TRI, and so many other airports. If we keep our guard up, hopefully any second COVID-19 wave will be less detrimental than what we have just been through.

I find it interesting that CHA is moving forward with the parking garage during these times. Granted this is an ideal time to do construction if you are confident the passenger numbers will return.

TYS is following the nationwide gradual uptick in passenger numbers over the last few weeks. The biggest winner is G4 as it appears to mostly be leisure travelers to Florida. The previously announced G4 additions of AUS and MDW launched last week. HOU starts next week. MYR was suspended for the summer and BOS doesn’t start until September. F9 has been gradually adding back some DEN frequencies starting in late June. The decimation to the DL schedule for the summer is huge. Previously scheduled at about 18 daily flights but currently scheduled for 4 daily flights in July (all CR9).
 
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Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:36 am

TYSflyer wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
Link about CHA's predicament and slow recovery from the pandemic.
https://www.chattanoogan.com/2020/5/18/ ... nding.aspx

Suppose this could be a similar story for TYS, TRI, and so many other airports. If we keep our guard up, hopefully any second COVID-19 wave will be less detrimental than what we have just been through.

I find it interesting that CHA is moving forward with the parking garage during these times. Granted this is an ideal time to do construction if you are confident the passenger numbers will return.)


SLC may be one of the more notable examples of speeding up construction during the pandemic. As Salt Lake City closes their old terminals/concourses to allow completion of new facilities, they figure the faster schedule will also lower construction costs.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/20 ... help-salt/

TYS is following the nationwide gradual uptick in passenger numbers over the last few weeks. The biggest winner is G4 as it appears to mostly be leisure travelers to Florida. The previously announced G4 additions of AUS and MDW launched last week. HOU starts next week. MYR was suspended for the summer and BOS doesn’t start until September. F9 has been gradually adding back some DEN frequencies starting in late June. The decimation to the DL schedule for the summer is huge. Previously scheduled at about 18 daily flights but currently scheduled for 4 daily flights in July (all CR9).

Good to see TYS-MDW/HOU/AUS up and running as advertised while places like the Smokies gradually reopen. But a little surprised G4 delayed BOS-TYS until September as that's after the peak summer tourism season. Guessing G4 figures enough in New England don't necessarily want to winter in the Deep South but still like a little chill to the air while still escaping single digits back home?

Barring a big second spike in the pandemic, perhaps things will recover fast enough that UA will reconsider dropping CHA as they indicated as a possibility some weeks ago. CHA-ORD is still going. CHA-IAD was dropped just prior to COVID-19, CHA-EWR ended a few years ago.
 
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Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:05 pm

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TYSflyer wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
Link about CHA's predicament and slow recovery from the pandemic.
https://www.chattanoogan.com/2020/5/18/ ... nding.aspx

Suppose this could be a similar story for TYS, TRI, and so many other airports. If we keep our guard up, hopefully any second COVID-19 wave will be less detrimental than what we have just been through.

I find it interesting that CHA is moving forward with the parking garage during these times. Granted this is an ideal time to do construction if you are confident the passenger numbers will return.)


SLC may be one of the more notable examples of speeding up construction during the pandemic. As Salt Lake City closes their old terminals/concourses to allow completion of new facilities, they figure the faster schedule will also lower construction costs.
https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/20 ... help-salt/

TYS is following the nationwide gradual uptick in passenger numbers over the last few weeks. The biggest winner is G4 as it appears to mostly be leisure travelers to Florida. The previously announced G4 additions of AUS and MDW launched last week. HOU starts next week. MYR was suspended for the summer and BOS doesn’t start until September. F9 has been gradually adding back some DEN frequencies starting in late June. The decimation to the DL schedule for the summer is huge. Previously scheduled at about 18 daily flights but currently scheduled for 4 daily flights in July (all CR9).

Good to see TYS-MDW/HOU/AUS up and running as advertised while places like the Smokies gradually reopen. But a little surprised G4 delayed BOS-TYS until September as that's after the peak summer tourism season. Guessing G4 figures enough in New England don't necessarily want to winter in the Deep South but still like a little chill to the air while still escaping single digits back home?

Barring a big second spike in the pandemic, perhaps things will recover fast enough that UA will reconsider dropping CHA as they indicated as a possibility some weeks ago. CHA-ORD is still going. CHA-IAD was dropped just prior to COVID-19, CHA-EWR ended a few years ago.

I was surprised at the delay of BOS as well. It had far and away the best bookings of the 5 new additions here pre covid. But they delayed all routes out of BOS until September. Makes me curious if they were asked to delay inaugurating service there.

On a slightly positive note for TYS, F9 has scheduled the A321 next month on TYS-DEN. This will mark the first time TYS has had regularly scheduled A321 service.
 
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Re: The rest of Tennessee (TYS, CHA, TRI ect.) Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:11 am

Some more good news in that DL will be up to seven departures from TYS to ATL by August, even if still all via Endeavor Air (similar story CHA-ATL). DL will be up to three flights TYS-DTW, and will bring back CHA-DTW.

Unfortunately, UA will suspend all CHA service from July until at least September. Suppose it's better than a total pullout.

But the recent strong resurgence of COVID-19 in the USA is concerning, especially in the south and southwest...
 
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Fri Aug 07, 2020 2:02 pm

A FedEx 752, flying PDX-TYS, recently brought an adult male lion to its new home at Zoo Knoxville.
https://www.wbir.com/article/life/anima ... 217082fe50
(click the middle video for the lion's cross-country flight)

No mention if the lion had to wear a mask :smile: .

Help needed to assist putting mask on a 400 pound/180 kg lion... :rotfl: :shakehead:
 
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Thu Sep 03, 2020 4:16 pm

G4 just started TYS-BOS today. The flight went out pretty empty it appeared. It was originally supposed to start in early May but was pushed to September during the tumultuous covid times. Of the 5 new routes announced in January 2020 by G4 from TYS, it had originally received the most attention from local travelers. The flight is currently scheduled to operate twice weekly through late November. It was recently extended an additional 2 weeks so I would love to see it operate through the Christmas holidays. I am booked on it in late October.
 
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Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:42 am

I understand that states like NY and NJ with currently low COVID-19 infection rates have travel restrictions on other states like Tennessee with higher rates. Massachusetts also currently has a low rate, so just maybe MA has restrictions on travel between MA and TN? Even if such restrictions/quarantines are not all that enforceable, still...

Of course, we are also now just about past the average peak summer travel season.
 
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Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:22 am

Here's a great look at the history of commercial aviation in Chattanooga.

https://www.sunshineskies.com/chattanoo ... ory-1.html
 
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Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:42 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
I understand that states like NY and NJ with currently low COVID-19 infection rates have travel restrictions on other states like Tennessee with higher rates. Massachusetts also currently has a low rate, so just maybe MA has restrictions on travel between MA and TN? Even if such restrictions/quarantines are not all that enforceable, still...

Of course, we are also now just about past the average peak summer travel season.

Yes, I just did a quick search, and they do have travel restrictions as well. As we are all aware, the travel restrictions are definitely impeding recovery of airline travel whether the restrictions are enforceable or not.

On a separate note, United is resuming TYS-DEN with a daily E175 starting in October. Nice to have this route back on United. F9 is still flying currently at 4 weekly.
 
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Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:33 pm

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Here's a great look at the history of commercial aviation in Chattanooga.

https://www.sunshineskies.com/chattanoo ... ory-1.html

That is a great history. I enjoyed reading it. Thanks for sharing.
 
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Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:32 am

SmokinL1011 wrote:
Here's a great look at the history of commercial aviation in Chattanooga.

https://www.sunshineskies.com/chattanoo ... ory-1.html

I echo TYSflyer's comments in saying thanks for the link!

Although I have tended to use TYS more than CHA over the decades, seeing the pics of the 1970s era terminal brings back great childhood memories. My very first airliner flight was out of CHA on a seemingly huge DL 722 (I thought huge, until I saw the L-1011s at ATL :o :lol: ); a D93 brought us back to CHA about a week later. Other than the DL counter and gates, I have few fleeting memories of the CHA terminal during the late 70s. But I better remember in later years the AA, DL, and US(former AL) ticket counters; turns out AA and US took over the counter spaces left empty when EA and UA pulled out of CHA.

I think that first trip of mine was also my one occasion in the old ATL terminal before the new/current facility opened.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:24 pm

Tennessee football bussed to Georgia (presume yesterday), but will fly back to TYS this evening after the game. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KAHN/KTYS
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KAHN/KTYS

Seems a bit unusual flying only one way, don't recall this happening before. Perhaps it's much cheaper, and they could have had all day yesterday to bus (hopefully avoiding the horrific Atlanta traffic). Yet flying back to TYS spares a very late return to campus at Knoxville.

Interestingly, UT will use 717s which have the performance to depart from the relatively short runway at AHN (Athens GA). Unfortunately for 717 fans, DL recently announced it will retire the type in a few years. Thus charter operations out of AHN will have to switch to something else like maybe CR9s.
 
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Sat Oct 10, 2020 11:24 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
Tennessee football bussed to Georgia (presume yesterday), but will fly back to TYS this evening after the game. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KAHN/KTYS
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KAHN/KTYS

Seems a bit unusual flying only one way, don't recall this happening before. Perhaps it's much cheaper, and they could have had all day yesterday to bus (hopefully avoiding the horrific Atlanta traffic). Yet flying back to TYS spares a very late return to campus at Knoxville.

Interestingly, UT will use 717s which have the performance to depart from the relatively short runway at AHN (Athens GA). Unfortunately for 717 fans, DL recently announced it will retire the type in a few years. Thus charter operations out of AHN will have to switch to something else like maybe CR9s.


A220 should be able to handle that. We'll have to wait until Delta amasses enough of them to use them for charter ops, but that would seem to make the most sense.
 
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Sun Oct 11, 2020 4:02 am

gdavis003 wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
Tennessee football bussed to Georgia (presume yesterday), but will fly back to TYS this evening after the game. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KAHN/KTYS
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KAHN/KTYS

Seems a bit unusual flying only one way, don't recall this happening before. Perhaps it's much cheaper, and they could have had all day yesterday to bus (hopefully avoiding the horrific Atlanta traffic). Yet flying back to TYS spares a very late return to campus at Knoxville.

Interestingly, UT will use 717s which have the performance to depart from the relatively short runway at AHN (Athens GA). Unfortunately for 717 fans, DL recently announced it will retire the type in a few years. Thus charter operations out of AHN will have to switch to something else like maybe CR9s.


A220 should be able to handle that. We'll have to wait until Delta amasses enough of them to use them for charter ops, but that would seem to make the most sense.


Does AHN have terrain? I wouldn’t imagine so, and the 738 can get off a 6,000 foot runway on a decently short flight without much trouble. 752 could too.
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 1:21 am

Cubsrule wrote:
gdavis003 wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
Tennessee football bussed to Georgia (presume yesterday), but will fly back to TYS this evening after the game. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KAHN/KTYS
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KAHN/KTYS

Seems a bit unusual flying only one way, don't recall this happening before. Perhaps it's much cheaper, and they could have had all day yesterday to bus (hopefully avoiding the horrific Atlanta traffic). Yet flying back to TYS spares a very late return to campus at Knoxville.

Interestingly, UT will use 717s which have the performance to depart from the relatively short runway at AHN (Athens GA). Unfortunately for 717 fans, DL recently announced it will retire the type in a few years. Thus charter operations out of AHN will have to switch to something else like maybe CR9s.


A220 should be able to handle that. We'll have to wait until Delta amasses enough of them to use them for charter ops, but that would seem to make the most sense.


Does AHN have terrain? I wouldn’t imagine so, and the 738 can get off a 6,000 foot runway on a decently short flight without much trouble. 752 could too.

AHN is actually a little higher than surrounding areas of Athens (I was in the co-pilot seat of a private plane going into AHN about fifteen years ago). But I forgot that the main runway has been extended since then.

Not sure what AHN's runways/taxiways are stressed for above a 717. Before the runway extension, it seemed typical for the University of Georgia and their opponents to use lots of CR2s/CR7s (for football anyway). Otherwise, teams would use ATL.
 
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Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:38 pm

With WN going into SAV, COS, JAN, I wonder how much longer until TYS is added? It has to be among the next logical destinations to add.
 
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Thu Oct 22, 2020 1:44 pm

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With WN going into SAV, COS, JAN, I wonder how much longer until TYS is added? It has to be among the next logical destinations to add.


It's now one of the larger markets in the 48 states without WN service. I think only SYR and MYR are larger in terms of airport boardings from a market, and just barely.
 
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Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:07 pm

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BNAMealer wrote:
With WN going into SAV, COS, JAN, I wonder how much longer until TYS is added? It has to be among the next logical destinations to add.


It's now one of the larger markets in the 48 states without WN service. I think only SYR and MYR are larger in terms of airport boardings from a market, and just barely.

It really has been perplexing to me. TYS already has more boardings than both COS and JAN but continues to be one of the most expensive airports in the country. Precovid, in 2019, they had 2.6 million. COS is closer to the nearest WN station (DEN) than TYS (BNA). I would admit they have more brand recognition in Colorado. Locals in the Knoxville area have been clamoring for WN for years. Look at any Facebook post that the airport does, and there are always numerous comments about getting WN here. I have always felt that TYS would get WN before SYR just because SYR already has B6 and is close to ROC. I don’t really think the larger G4 presence here should be hindering things as I feel they could coexist. I honestly don’t know what to think anymore on how to predict where they will land next.
 
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:46 am

TYSflyer wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
With WN going into SAV, COS, JAN, I wonder how much longer until TYS is added? It has to be among the next logical destinations to add.


It's now one of the larger markets in the 48 states without WN service. I think only SYR and MYR are larger in terms of airport boardings from a market, and just barely.

It really has been perplexing to me. TYS already has more boardings than both COS and JAN but continues to be one of the most expensive airports in the country. Precovid, in 2019, they had 2.6 million. COS is closer to the nearest WN station (DEN) than TYS (BNA). I would admit they have more brand recognition in Colorado. Locals in the Knoxville area have been clamoring for WN for years. Look at any Facebook post that the airport does, and there are always numerous comments about getting WN here. I have always felt that TYS would get WN before SYR just because SYR already has B6 and is close to ROC. I don’t really think the larger G4 presence here should be hindering things as I feel they could coexist. I honestly don’t know what to think anymore on how to predict where they will land next.


Let me admit I am an ignoramus up front here.

But I am also flummoxed. I thought it might have something to do with income (east Tennessee isn't exactly rolling in the dough; I lived in Scott County once upon a time).

So I looked up income, and it seems hard to think that it does...
Colorado Springs: $61,000
Knoxville: $54,000
Savannah: $41,000
Jackson: $37,000 (wow)
(US Census Bureau, Median household income in 2018 dollars, 2014-2018)
Obviously this is rather crude and doesn't capture the full catchment area.

Given the tourist draw of TYS + relative size of the airport...it's puzzling.
 
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 1:30 pm

When looking at the new WN city map with all new cities added, there is a rather large void that TYS almost sits in the middle of...... hmmmm
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 2:04 pm

The problem I could see with TYS is it’s essentially become a de-facto G4 “focus city” with service to many major cities (MDW and HOU now among them). Obviously WN is a beast all it’s own, but in a market the size of Knoxville, adding additional service at extremely low fares isn’t a great recipe for success. I could see them adding it as a GSP style outstation though - service to ATL and BWI just to feed into the system.
 
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:32 pm

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The problem I could see with TYS is it’s essentially become a de-facto G4 “focus city” with service to many major cities (MDW and HOU now among them). Obviously WN is a beast all it’s own, but in a market the size of Knoxville, adding additional service at extremely low fares isn’t a great recipe for success. I could see them adding it as a GSP style outstation though - service to ATL and BWI just to feed into the system.


I don't think WN can really be considered a "low fare" airline anymore - that perception seems to linger but every time I've priced them lately they are right up there with the legacies (although I'm not really speaking of the present-day fare climate but thinking during "normal" demand). The problem I have with G4 is the less-than-daily model where IRROPS can really cause you some issues as a passenger. All that said, I agree with you that WN's best move would likely be to avoid going head-to-head with G4 from TYS. I certainly wouldn't mind them going into ATL to help drive DL's fares down, but I could see they might rather try BWI first. Anyone think they might try a couple of tag-ons from BNA?
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Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:51 pm

alo2yyz wrote:
TYSflyer wrote:
AVLAirlineFreq wrote:

It's now one of the larger markets in the 48 states without WN service. I think only SYR and MYR are larger in terms of airport boardings from a market, and just barely.

It really has been perplexing to me. TYS already has more boardings than both COS and JAN but continues to be one of the most expensive airports in the country. Precovid, in 2019, they had 2.6 million. COS is closer to the nearest WN station (DEN) than TYS (BNA). I would admit they have more brand recognition in Colorado. Locals in the Knoxville area have been clamoring for WN for years. Look at any Facebook post that the airport does, and there are always numerous comments about getting WN here. I have always felt that TYS would get WN before SYR just because SYR already has B6 and is close to ROC. I don’t really think the larger G4 presence here should be hindering things as I feel they could coexist. I honestly don’t know what to think anymore on how to predict where they will land next.


Let me admit I am an ignoramus up front here.

But I am also flummoxed. I thought it might have something to do with income (east Tennessee isn't exactly rolling in the dough; I lived in Scott County once upon a time).

So I looked up income, and it seems hard to think that it does...
Colorado Springs: $61,000
Knoxville: $54,000
Savannah: $41,000
Jackson: $37,000 (wow)
(US Census Bureau, Median household income in 2018 dollars, 2014-2018)
Obviously this is rather crude and doesn't capture the full catchment area.

Given the tourist draw of TYS + relative size of the airport...it's puzzling.

I don’t know if you have made it back to Scott County in a while, but it is still pretty poor. Beautiful scenery but probably has hardly changed since you lived there. Many of the neighboring counties there are also rather poor. However, they are rather sparsely populated and do not contribute much to the population base that utilizes TYS. With that being said, Knoxville, particularly west Knoxville, has some rather affluent areas. Several of the surrounding counties do as well. Blount County, Sevier County and Anderson County (Oak Ridge) all have rather affluent areas within them. I was surprised though that Knoxville was ahead of Savannah on income statistics.

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