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Elgorou
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LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:42 pm

LATAM add 3 weekly flights between Santiago and Frankfurt since 30/6, first non-stop flight from Chile to Germany

LA708 SCL 21:20 FRA 17:40 + 1 B788 246
LA709 FRA 19:25 SCL 04:40 + 1 B788 357


Also MAD-FRA is not available from 30/6


https://www.latam.com/es_cl/prensa/comu ... -Alemania/
 
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:44 pm

Is this LATAM’s longest flight at 7508 miles?
 
dcajet
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Thu Feb 06, 2020 4:55 pm

Elgorou wrote:
LATAM add 3 weekly flights between Santiago and Frankfurt since 30/6, first non-stop flight from Chile to Germany

LA708 SCL 21:20 FRA 17:40 + 1 B788 246
LA709 FRA 19:25 SCL 04:40 + 1 B788 357


Also MAD-FRA is not available from 30/6


https://www.latam.com/es_cl/prensa/comu ... -Alemania/


Interesting that the webpage you reference above has been taken down; flights have not been loaded on distribution systems BUT the MAD-FRA segment is no longer for sale after 30/6.

If this indeed pans out to be correct, brace for a massive reduction of trip reports/vlogs, etc. The MAD-FRA-MAD tag on LATAM has to be one of the most over reported trips on social media.
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:14 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Is this LATAM’s longest flight at 7508 miles?

Yes it will be.
 
Elgorou
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:25 pm

dcajet wrote:
Elgorou wrote:
LATAM add 3 weekly flights between Santiago and Frankfurt since 30/6, first non-stop flight from Chile to Germany

LA708 SCL 21:20 FRA 17:40 + 1 B788 246
LA709 FRA 19:25 SCL 04:40 + 1 B788 357


Also MAD-FRA is not available from 30/6


https://www.latam.com/es_cl/prensa/comu ... -Alemania/


Interesting that the webpage you reference above has been taken down; flights have not been loaded on distribution systems BUT the MAD-FRA segment is no longer for sale after 30/6.

If this indeed pans out to be correct, brace for a massive reduction of trip reports/vlogs, etc. The MAD-FRA-MAD tag on LATAM has to be one of the most over reported trips on social media.


Apparently the press release is only available from chilean website



Ishrion wrote:
Is this LATAM’s longest flight at 7508 miles?


Yes, surpass SCL-SYD (7,060 mi) and SCL-MEL (7,033 mi) as the longest flight of LATAM nertwork
 
dcajet
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:28 pm

Elgorou wrote:
dcajet wrote:
Elgorou wrote:
LATAM add 3 weekly flights between Santiago and Frankfurt since 30/6, first non-stop flight from Chile to Germany

LA708 SCL 21:20 FRA 17:40 + 1 B788 246
LA709 FRA 19:25 SCL 04:40 + 1 B788 357


Also MAD-FRA is not available from 30/6


https://www.latam.com/es_cl/prensa/comu ... -Alemania/


Interesting that the webpage you reference above has been taken down; flights have not been loaded on distribution systems BUT the MAD-FRA segment is no longer for sale after 30/6.

If this indeed pans out to be correct, brace for a massive reduction of trip reports/vlogs, etc. The MAD-FRA-MAD tag on LATAM has to be one of the most over reported trips on social media.


Apparently the press release is only available from chilean website


It has been taken down. Just checked with friends in Buenos Aires & Santiago. Although they confirm the new flight.
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:05 pm

It's definitely been over reported on, but this was a fun and cheap flight to take.

Hard to believe it was almost 12 years ago to the day that I first flew it, back on the A340-300.
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:40 pm

PlymSpotter wrote:
It's definitely been over reported on, but this was a fun and cheap flight to take.


It is probably the most popular 5th freedom route in Europe, at least for the number of trip reports in the web.

I flew it a couple of years ago for 77 EUR in Business, so you cannot beat that :D I was surprised in T4 at the number of people flying the 5th freedom leg. It seemed like most PAX were indeed flying MAD-FRA instead of SCL-FRA.

Sad to see it leaving.
 
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:08 pm

Elgorou wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Is this LATAM’s longest flight at 7508 miles?

Yes, surpass SCL-SYD (7,060 mi) and SCL-MEL (7,033 mi) as the longest flight of LATAM nertwork


Actually, LATAM's GRU-JNB flight should be its longest before this starts, at 7,434 km.
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:12 pm

alfa164 wrote:
Elgorou wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Is this LATAM’s longest flight at 7508 miles?

Yes, surpass SCL-SYD (7,060 mi) and SCL-MEL (7,033 mi) as the longest flight of LATAM nertwork


Actually, LATAM's GRU-JNB flight should be its longest before this starts, at 7,434 km.


GRU-JNB is 4,000 miles. SCL-SYD/MEL are 7,000 miles or 11,200 km.
 
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:15 pm

LATAM's trans-Pacific and trans-South Atlantic routes are reportedly very profitable due to no competition. They sell onward connections to Asia with CX via JNB (now with them leaving OneWorld this may change) and Europe. They also sell connections to Asia via QF via AKL/SYD/MEL. Do note that LATAM has ETOPS 330 for the South America to Australia/New Zealand crossing on their B787's. They also have a higher rating on their GRU-JNB route.
 
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:18 pm

My first Dreamliner trip was a LA MAD - FRA flight, will have to try it again before it stops.
 
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:44 pm

The Santiago-Madrid-Frankfurt flights was a legacy of Lan Chile, after the merger with TAM its surprising they didn't stop the Madrid to FRA leg. LATAM has Sao Paulo to Frankfurt flights, surprising they didn't put the Santiago passengers on that. With LATAM going to Delta will nonstop SCL to CDG be far away, would love to see that parallel to Air France's 777 nonstop service.
 
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Thu Feb 06, 2020 10:47 pm

Also KLM could make their SCL-AMS flight non-stop instead of stopping @ EZE currently. LATAM at one point will have to serve SCL-CDG for connecting traffic.
 
jfk777
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:20 am

With LATAM going to Delta and by default having some type of informal alliance with AF and KLM where does this leave AR, a member of Skyteam. AR is feeling an alliance squeeze. It's currently summer in Buenos Aires, it's going to be a long hot one.
 
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Fri Feb 07, 2020 2:50 am

jfk777 wrote:
With LATAM going to Delta and by default having some type of informal alliance with AF and KLM where does this leave AR, a member of Skyteam. AR is feeling an alliance squeeze. It's currently summer in Buenos Aires, it's going to be a long hot one.


For the basket that it is, would AR have a place in Skyteam or Oneworld? QF will maintain its LA relationship, not sure what BA will do though. CX and the other OW carriers are largely irrelevant in this, and AA is of course spoken for, so i dont see that OW would be that much of an attraction. Similarly not sure what Star might get out of it.
 
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Fri Feb 07, 2020 3:42 am

I'm surprised that traffic has matured enough to where MAD and FRA can support separate flights now. Also, alliances don't really matter too much these days, as LATAM and China Southern will be showing.
 
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Fri Feb 07, 2020 4:18 am

qf2220 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
With LATAM going to Delta and by default having some type of informal alliance with AF and KLM where does this leave AR, a member of Skyteam. AR is feeling an alliance squeeze. It's currently summer in Buenos Aires, it's going to be a long hot one.


For the basket that it is, would AR have a place in Skyteam or Oneworld? QF will maintain its LA relationship, not sure what BA will do though. CX and the other OW carriers are largely irrelevant in this, and AA is of course spoken for, so i dont see that OW would be that much of an attraction. Similarly not sure what Star might get out of it.


The real question for AR is if AA is interested in partnering with them. They are a bit of a basket case but in the case of AA it potentially brings a whole lot of domestic Argentinian connections back onto their route map. For QF it's largely an irrelevant question because they'll continue partnering with Latam.
 
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Fri Feb 07, 2020 4:25 am

x1234 wrote:
LATAM's trans-Pacific and trans-South Atlantic routes are reportedly very profitable due to no competition. They sell onward connections to Asia with CX via JNB (now with them leaving OneWorld this may change) and Europe. They also sell connections to Asia via QF via AKL/SYD/MEL. Do note that LATAM has ETOPS 330 for the South America to Australia/New Zealand crossing on their B787's. They also have a higher rating on their GRU-JNB route.


just booked a BOG-GRU-JNB-CPT and return for 900 USD - might be a special case for the Colombian market, but at least with these Fares I doubt its highly profitable the trans-south Atlantic route.
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dcajet
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:20 pm

Avianca wrote:
x1234 wrote:
LATAM's trans-Pacific and trans-South Atlantic routes are reportedly very profitable due to no competition. They sell onward connections to Asia with CX via JNB (now with them leaving OneWorld this may change) and Europe. They also sell connections to Asia via QF via AKL/SYD/MEL. Do note that LATAM has ETOPS 330 for the South America to Australia/New Zealand crossing on their B787's. They also have a higher rating on their GRU-JNB route.


just booked a BOG-GRU-JNB-CPT and return for 900 USD - might be a special case for the Colombian market, but at least with these Fares I doubt its highly profitable the trans-south Atlantic route.


LA was competing with SAA over the route. With SA's announcement that they are quitting JNB-GRU, you will never see those prices again until a new competitor enters the route. Good timing!
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dcajet
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Re: LA add SCL-FRA , drop MAD-FRA

Fri Feb 07, 2020 5:28 pm

After posting it and then taking it down, (did they jump the gun?) LATAM has once again this morning made official the news regarding the route by reposting the news release (not yet posted in English)

https://www.latam.com/es_cl/prensa/comu ... -Alemania/
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