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Re: British Airways interested in flying US Domestic Routes

Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:49 am

KD5MDK wrote:
I’m not sure how long BA aircraft spend on the ground in NY, but if there was time for a tag on to Chicago, Atlanta, Houston or MIA that would definitely be a chance to capture some additional revenue.

Anyone talking about codeshares as the solution needs to decide how much actual $ BA gets for the codeshare leg compared to what they get when they sell the ticket.

(Edited to pick big partner hubs which might have high value customers poachable without competing TOO directly with AA.)


What revenue would they capture that they wouldn’t capture with the myriad nonstops they already fly from ORD, ATL, IAH, and MIA to LHR? Or in the case of ORD and MIA that are already captured in the AA JV which is immunized and thus metal neutral?
 
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Re: British Airways interested in flying US Domestic Routes

Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:29 am

I was describing them selling primarily local tickets. In a renegotiated environment where they were allowed cabotage. In this world they’re selling a seat twice, once ORD-JFK, and then to a different customer JFK-LHR. It’s just boosting airframe utilization and perhaps gaining some efficiencies in crew scheduling, plus maybe a small revenue premium versus a narrow body. Do you think they could sell Club World seats at Domestic F prices? I’ll bet they could, if allowed.
 
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Re: British Airways interested in flying US Domestic Routes

Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:42 am

calstanford wrote:
Why would Americans want to fly "British" Airways. It's not exactly a top airline by any means. No better than the US domestic ones. And they'd never have the same frequency as a US domestic airline, so then why bother?


To be fair, didn't Air France and Iberia fly Caribbean and LatAm routes from MIA in the early 1990s on their own metal? IDK what the case for it was, but it did happen.

That said, not sure why BA wants domestic routes when they can easily JV on them via AA.
 
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Re: British Airways interested in flying US Domestic Routes

Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:43 am

N649DL wrote:
To be fair, didn't Air France and Iberia fly Caribbean and LatAm routes from MIA in the early 1990s on their own metal? IDK what the case for it was, but it did happen.

That said, not sure why BA wants domestic routes when they can easily JV on them via AA.

Air France still have A320s based in the Caribbean. And BA haven’t publicly discussed US domestic flying, the whole thread is based on speculation. BA don’t even fly within the EU (which they no longer can because of the UK’s self-harming decision to leave the EU — but since the early 90s until last month they had the right to, and haven’t).
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Re: British Airways interested in flying US Domestic Routes

Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:39 pm

cedarjet wrote:
N649DL wrote:
To be fair, didn't Air France and Iberia fly Caribbean and LatAm routes from MIA in the early 1990s on their own metal? IDK what the case for it was, but it did happen.

That said, not sure why BA wants domestic routes when they can easily JV on them via AA.

Air France still have A320s based in the Caribbean. And BA haven’t publicly discussed US domestic flying, the whole thread is based on speculation. BA don’t even fly within the EU (which they no longer can because of the UK’s self-harming decision to leave the EU — but since the early 90s until last month they had the right to, and haven’t).


Oh wow I had no idea AF still flew down to the Caribbean currently. Do those flights also get codeshared with DL?
 
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Re: British Airways interested in flying US Domestic Routes

Wed Feb 12, 2020 12:07 am

airbazar wrote:
BA can already do that, just like QF currently does it between LAX and JFK. The key word in that statement is "them", as in the passengers that originate in London. They don't do it because there's no market for it. There is absolutely nothing stopping BA from flying LHR-BOS-STL-BOS-LHR.
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reltney wrote:
It’s called cabotage it will not be allowed in the US. It’s an unfair trade practice. Do you think Ryan Air would like Jet blue, or spirit to come to Ireland...
Cabotage..

It's an ironic statement since so many European countries currently allow cabotage and Ryanair is one of the biggest benefactors of cabotage rights :)



Just to clarify, the European Common Aviation Area is a single aviation market so it's not "real" cabotage since the whole point is that it's basically the same market as the EU is functionally a confederacy anyway.
 
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Re: British Airways interested in flying US Domestic Routes

Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:41 am

peterinlisbon wrote:
I heard that Virgin Atlantic is interested in flying to the moon. Unfortunately reality gets in the way sometimes...


British airways wants to fly US domestic flights and I'd like to be the King of England... aint gonna happen
 
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Re: British Airways interested in flying US Domestic Routes

Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:37 pm

N649DL wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
N649DL wrote:
To be fair, didn't Air France and Iberia fly Caribbean and LatAm routes from MIA in the early 1990s on their own metal? IDK what the case for it was, but it did happen.

That said, not sure why BA wants domestic routes when they can easily JV on them via AA.

Air France still have A320s based in the Caribbean. And BA haven’t publicly discussed US domestic flying, the whole thread is based on speculation. BA don’t even fly within the EU (which they no longer can because of the UK’s self-harming decision to leave the EU — but since the early 90s until last month they had the right to, and haven’t).


Oh wow I had no idea AF still flew down to the Caribbean currently. Do those flights also get codeshared with DL?

Yup, they fly MIA-Carribean. So basically, DL's territory
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Re: British Airways interested in flying US Domestic Routes

Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:06 pm

N649DL wrote:
calstanford wrote:
Why would Americans want to fly "British" Airways. It's not exactly a top airline by any means. No better than the US domestic ones. And they'd never have the same frequency as a US domestic airline, so then why bother?


To be fair, didn't Air France and Iberia fly Caribbean and LatAm routes from MIA in the early 1990s on their own metal? IDK what the case for it was, but it did happen.

That said, not sure why BA wants domestic routes when they can easily JV on them via AA.


I seem to recall that french flights from Miami to the Caribbean go to French territories such as French Guiana and Martinique which despite their Geographic location are an integral part of the French Republic and are therefore part of the EU. The AF flights to and from Miami therefore would come under the auspices of the US-EU agreement in the same way as their flights to CDG.

Any BA US domestic routes (even if we hadn’t just exited the EU) would not be allowed under that EU-US agreement.
 
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Re: British Airways interested in flying US Domestic Routes

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:23 am

Embers make smoke.

Looks like potential new Qantas and British codeshares in North America are in the works via OneWorld’s new addition.
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