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Re: Storm Ciara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:13 am

PlaneMad134 wrote:
Strong winds expected in the UK tommorow and Tuesday too.

True but winds more due westerly today so more in tune with runway headings at LHR & LGW.
 
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Re: Storm Ciara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:07 am

Austrian operates B772 VIE-AMS on Monday morning:

- OS 371 VIE-AMS arr. 10:41 BOEING 777-200 Austrian Airlines OE-LPE
 
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Re: Storm Ciara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:12 am

EMIRATES A 380 A6-EVI stranded @ HAM airport yesterday and couldn’t perform flight EK 62 HAM-DXB. Still standing on the apron....
 
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Re: Storm Ciara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:32 am

Why is FR operating in and out of CGN like nothing is wrong and EW cancelled their whole operation?

The question is not intended to bash FR how unsafe their are and on the other side not to praise them how skilled their pilots are.

I just would like to get a deeper picture of airline operations during such a severe weather.

Thanks in advance.
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Re: Storm Ciara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:33 am

tommybp251b wrote:
Why is FR operating in and out of CGN like nothing is wrong and EW cancelled their whole operation?

The question is not intended to bash FR how unsafe their are and on the other side not to praise them how skilled their pilots are.

I just would like to get a deeper picture of airline operations during such a severe weather.

Thanks in advance.


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Re: Storm Clara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:44 am

ro1960 wrote:
The storm name is Ciara, not Clara. Please adjust thread title.


Technically incorrect, as the storm has a different name according to local language...

Ciara for those Irish/Anglophones

Sabine in continental Europe, esp. but not only in german-speaking places...
 
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Re: Storm Ciara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 9:49 am

tommybp251b wrote:
Why is FR operating in and out of CGN like nothing is wrong and EW cancelled their whole operation?

The question is not intended to bash FR how unsafe their are and on the other side not to praise them how skilled their pilots are.

I just would like to get a deeper picture of airline operations during such a severe weather.

Thanks in advance.


If The winds were in limits why shouldn't Ryanair operate? Did other airlines cancel all their flights from Cologne as well? The weather all over Northern Europe was bad yesterday, Cologne was no exception yet nearly every airport/airline was operational.
 
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Re: Storm Ciara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:12 am

LHG home turf getting his badly today. MUC showing 95% of flights cancelled. FRA and ZRH also suffering a fair bit. Not a good start of the year for them.
 
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Re: Storm Ciara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:21 am

But only Lufhansa group canceled everything. Easyjet, Ryanair and others successfully operate most of their flights. Looks like Lufthansa made decision to make no effort whatsoever to try to operate at least some of their flights.
 
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Re: Storm Ciara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:27 am

alm1 wrote:
But only Lufhansa group canceled everything. Easyjet, Ryanair and others successfully operate most of their flights. Looks like Lufthansa made decision to make no effort whatsoever to try to operate at least some of their flights.


Most of their flights equates to a small fraction in the affected geography vs the 1500 or so departures LHG has from AT, BE, CH and DE.
The bigger the airport the worse it is with knock on effects it seems. MUC at 95% cancelled it pretty serious.
I happen to be near Zurich airport and have seen several aircraft make go arounds so far this morning. My flight out is pushed to tomorrow meanwhile.
 
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Re: Storm Ciara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 11:12 am

factsonly wrote:
Austrian operates B772 VIE-AMS on Monday morning:

- OS 371 VIE-AMS arr. 10:41 BOEING 777-200 Austrian Airlines OE-LPE



I guess that's a good way to make use of widebodies they have left over from canceling all flights to China.

They flew a roundtrip to Heathrow with a 772 last night too, their 772 holds as many seats as roughly two A320s, so they can collect an entire canceled flight's worth of passengers along with those originally booked on flight 371.
Q400 E175 E190 CRJ7 CRJ9 CRJX MD88 A319 A320 A321 A332 A333 A359 B733 B73G B738 B739 B748 B764 B772 B77W B788 B789
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Re: Storm Clara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:00 pm

terrificturk wrote:
ro1960 wrote:
The storm name is Ciara, not Clara. Please adjust thread title.


Technically incorrect, as the storm has a different name according to local language...

Ciara for those Irish/Anglophones

Sabine in continental Europe, esp. but not only in german-speaking places...


It may be called "Sabine" in Germany, but it's definitely called "CIARA" not "CLARA" pretty much everywhere else in Continental Europe (France, Netherlands, Italy, Spain).

This was my point and the title has been changed.
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Re: Storm Ciara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:51 pm

I was meant to fly yesterday on LH but literally everything was cancelled. Rebooked for tomorrow.
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Re: Storm Ciara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 6:00 pm

MUC still big havoc! Many flights cancelled or delayed for hours. They try to resume air traffic now slowly
 
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Re: Storm Ciara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:07 pm

After 2h waiting - some of that time in the aircraft - my flight VY1818 from Barcelona to MUC was canceled. Is the storm really that bad in MUC (STR seems fine) or is MUC just overwhelmed and disorganized ?
 
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Re: Storm Ciara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:10 pm

According to the CFMU, MUC is at a 0-arrival-rate until tomorrow 0400UTC.
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Re: Storm Ciara over Europe - Impact on Aviation

Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:54 pm

JayBCN wrote:
After 2h waiting - some of that time in the aircraft - my flight VY1818 from Barcelona to MUC was canceled. Is the storm really that bad in MUC (STR seems fine) or is MUC just overwhelmed and disorganized ?


Bavaria was hit hard with wind speeds of more than 150 kph (83kt) in some villages (combined with shower lines).

The airport itself had "only" 109 kph (59 kt) ... but that nearly continuously over 5 hours between 04 and 09 UTC!

Please find here some weather station wind gust data of the last 24 hours for Western and Central Europe:
Source: UBIMET

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