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New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:28 am

As result of Storm Ciara, BA112 took approximately 4 hours and 56 minutes (according to Flightradar24) which breaks the previous record held by Norwegian 787-9 which took 5 hours and 13 minutes roughly two years ago. Also VS4 was close too (flight time of 4 hours and 58 minutes).
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:28 am

VS4 was literally ONE minute off at 4:57.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/vs4#23cda8ed
 
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:55 am

VS46 just did it in 4 hours and 59 minutes. Three flights have now done it under 5 hours.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/vs46
 
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:41 am

Impressive! Can you imagine how tight together the meal services must have been though! (1.5 hours maybe??) I'm aware breakfast is a quick run-through-the-cabin affair, but still, WOW!
 
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:00 am

I'll be more impressed when someone breaks the 2h52m mark.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:01 am

I was following Norwegian DI7016 on Flightradar24 (aircraft G-CKWT), and she would have broken it at 4 hours 54 minutes but had to do a go-around (due to high winds!).

Oddly she is currently now heading over the North Sea back at 37,000ft, so will keep an eye where she is being diverted to.
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:02 am

LGWGate49 wrote:
I was following Norwegian DI7016 on Flightradar24 (aircraft G-CKWT), and she would have broken it at 4 hours 54 minutes but had to do a go-around (due to high winds!).

Oddly she is currently now heading over the North Sea back at 37,000ft, so will keep an eye where she is being diverted to.

DI7018 diverted to CPH.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:57 am

The word "subsonic" should appear somewhere in this title, and obviously Concorde continues to hold the ACTUAL record.
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:35 am

NZ2 from Los Angeles 90 minutes early.Flying time 9hrs 20 approx
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:47 am

KL644 arrived 1 1/2 hours ahead of schedule making record time
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:47 am

LAX772LR wrote:
The word "subsonic" should appear somewhere in this title, and obviously Concorde continues to hold the ACTUAL record.


Or subsonic civilian. I think the Blackbird beat the Concorde. :stirthepot:
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:15 am

BlueberryWheats wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
The word "subsonic" should appear somewhere in this title, and obviously Concorde continues to hold the ACTUAL record.


Or subsonic civilian. I think the Blackbird beat the Concorde. :stirthepot:

Yes, the Blackbird holds the actual flight record at 1 hour, 54 minutes, 56.4 seconds.
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:47 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
The word "subsonic" should appear somewhere in this title, and obviously Concorde continues to hold the ACTUAL record.


You are incorrect. The blackbird holds the ACTUAL record.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:01 pm

A Ukraine 777 from JFK crossed just north of Bristol at 4:35. That's some serious tailwinds.
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:41 pm

Arion640 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
The word "subsonic" should appear somewhere in this title, and obviously Concorde continues to hold the ACTUAL record.


You are incorrect. The blackbird holds the ACTUAL record.


What airports did it use? 'cos the typical reports say such things as:
https://www.wired.com/2010/09/0901sr-71 ... ic-record/
Wired wrote:
For the New York–to–London flight, Sullivan flew the SR-71 through an imaginary gate 80,000 feet above New York. Heading east, he flew 3,461.528 miles until passing through another imaginary gate over London. The the trip lasted only 1 hour, 54 minutes, 56.4 seconds.


Where not having to take off or land makes a pretty significant difference to your speed...
 
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:52 pm

With significant short and long haul cancellations at LHR, those flights which can set it down first time have a slight advantage over other days, as there is less traffic and shorter / no holds to factor in.
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:22 pm

The BBC couldn't even be bothered to find a 747 photo. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-51433720
 
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:28 pm

Its made CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/brit ... index.html

Absolutely absurd flight time. Faster than going from the east coast USA to west coast.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:56 pm

Of course, the westbound flights at the same time were practically going in reverse, taking and hour or more than normal and some narrow-bodies needing a fuel stop in eastern Canada. Heck, that is less time JFK-LHR than sometimes going westbound EWR/JFK-LAX. On those short flights, one barely had time to take nap and your might arrive well before you can check in at your hotel.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:27 pm

ltbewr wrote:
On those short flights, one barely had time to take nap and your might arrive well before you can check in at your hotel.


Yeah, while it is cool to see JFK-LHR done it that speed, I would have HATED to be on that flight. What little rest you could potentially have gets cut by a good 90 minutes.

Back when I was taking SFO-EWR weekly it would get me so, so angry how basically every week there would always be good tailwinds.

Give me a nice little headwind on those short red-eyes for once!
 
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:27 pm

bcworld wrote:
LGWGate49 wrote:
I was following Norwegian DI7016 on Flightradar24 (aircraft G-CKWT), and she would have broken it at 4 hours 54 minutes but had to do a go-around (due to high winds!).

Oddly she is currently now heading over the North Sea back at 37,000ft, so will keep an eye where she is being diverted to.

DI7018 diverted to CPH.


Imagine being a family of American tourists (Norwegian's core clientele), maybe Mom and Dad, a couple teenagers, and Grandma visiting London for Grandma's 75th birthday, and instead of dropping you off into the waiting arms of Cousin Arthur and his wife Jennifer in London they divert you to Copenhagen, half a continent away.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:29 pm

Westbound transatlantic flights having to take a much more northerly track today:

https://twitter.com/flightradar24/statu ... 9335919616
 
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:13 pm

It would be so much more convenient if the prevailing winds were in the opposite direction so the red eye flights were longer and the daytime flights shorter.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:33 pm

Meanwhile Aer Lingus flight EI136 BOS-DUB (A333) made it across the Atlantic in 4 hrs 49 mins last night but it was Shannon that set the fastest time for Aer Lingus this week, EI134 BOS-SNN (A321LR) made it across in just 4 hrs 43 mins the night before.

It may not be the traditional New York to London routing but impressive all the same.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:56 pm

Nice to see the Queen retake the record. Hope it holds up for long time.
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:40 pm

Mboyle1988 wrote:
It would be so much more convenient if the prevailing winds were in the opposite direction so the red eye flights were longer and the daytime flights shorter.


This always makes me wonder if airlines would be able to pull off a "sleeper" service. Intentionally flying a slower, longer route to add time to the flight. We have some redeyes out of DEN that depart pretty late in the night for the only purpose of having a 5-6am arrival time. Would be nice to take off earlier and fly slower. I'd take an extra 45 mins of "airplane sleep" over sitting in the bright, sterile concourse hearing announcements every 5 minutes and pondering my existence.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:45 pm

FGITD wrote:
I'll be more impressed when someone breaks the 2h52m mark.

Well, at that point the plane would have gone supersonic :D and the manufacturer can start marketing the aircraft as such.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:49 pm

Why does someone need to rest on a < 5 hour daytime flight? I'm on LAX-MCO at least monthly, and unless I take the redeye, rest is not on my mind.
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:57 pm

BlueberryWheats wrote:
I think the Blackbird beat the Concorde.
mcogator wrote:
Yes, the Blackbird holds the actual flight record at 1 hour, 54 minutes, 56.4 seconds.
Arion640 wrote:
The blackbird holds the ACTUAL record.

Meh.

While no one's going to contend that Concorde could match a Blackbird in speed, it's sorta anecdotal to use that flight as a comparative record when the latter was already at speed, and at altitude, before and after the timing was started and stopped.

Takeoff and landing were not included, as it has in essentially every other flight claiming a record.


mcogator wrote:
Why does someone need to rest on a < 5 hour daytime flight? I'm on LAX-MCO at least monthly, and unless I take the redeye, rest is not on my mind.

OBVIOUS ANSWER BEING: maybe others have difference preferences than you? :scratchchin:
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:27 pm

glideslope wrote:
Nice to see the Queen retake the record. Hope it holds up for long time.


It is still two hours slower than the record, so it is not the record holder of civil passenger carrying aircraft.

Perhaps this will change if the Boeing 969 reaches production, it might be able to do the journey in less than three hours. Doubtful - can’t see anything of the sort arriving in ten years. :(

And the SR-71 would still likely beat Concorde if takeoff and landing was included (from KJFK TO EGLL), but it wouldn’t be as big a time difference. The Blackbird would probably immediately refuel after takeoff (they takeoff with a light fuel load normally), while Concorde can go pretty much flat out right away if cleared to do so (which I think it did going from NY).
 
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:45 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
BlueberryWheats wrote:
I think the Blackbird beat the Concorde.
mcogator wrote:
Yes, the Blackbird holds the actual flight record at 1 hour, 54 minutes, 56.4 seconds.
Arion640 wrote:
The blackbird holds the ACTUAL record.

Meh.

While no one's going to contend that Concorde could match a Blackbird in speed, it's sorta anecdotal to use that flight as a comparative record when the latter was already at speed, and at altitude, before and after the timing was started and stopped.

Takeoff and landing were not included, as it has in essentially every other flight claiming a record.


mcogator wrote:
Why does someone need to rest on a < 5 hour daytime flight? I'm on LAX-MCO at least monthly, and unless I take the redeye, rest is not on my mind.

OBVIOUS ANSWER BEING: maybe others have difference preferences than you? :scratchchin:


Doesn’t change a thing. The blackbird still holds the fastest crossing, regardless of wherever it took off from.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:59 pm

Arion640 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
BlueberryWheats wrote:
I think the Blackbird beat the Concorde.
mcogator wrote:
Yes, the Blackbird holds the actual flight record at 1 hour, 54 minutes, 56.4 seconds.
Arion640 wrote:
The blackbird holds the ACTUAL record.

Meh.

While no one's going to contend that Concorde could match a Blackbird in speed, it's sorta anecdotal to use that flight as a comparative record when the latter was already at speed, and at altitude, before and after the timing was started and stopped.

Takeoff and landing were not included, as it has in essentially every other flight claiming a record.


mcogator wrote:
Why does someone need to rest on a < 5 hour daytime flight? I'm on LAX-MCO at least monthly, and unless I take the redeye, rest is not on my mind.

OBVIOUS ANSWER BEING: maybe others have difference preferences than you? :scratchchin:


Doesn’t change a thing. The blackbird still holds the fastest crossing, regardless of wherever it took off from.


It does, they must both takeoff and land at the same point or the timing is pointless. Removing the takeoff portion saves a huge chunk of time. It’s like saying a car is faster to 200km/h when one car starts from 0 and the other is already doing 100. Not comparable.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:01 pm

cpd wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
While no one's going to contend that Concorde could match a Blackbird in speed, it's sorta anecdotal to use that flight as a comparative record when the latter was already at speed, and at altitude, before and after the timing was started and stopped.

Takeoff and landing were not included, as it has in essentially every other flight claiming a record.

Doesn’t change a thing.

It does, they must both takeoff and land at the same point or the timing is pointless. Removing the takeoff portion saves a huge chunk of time.

As well as approach and decell.

It most definitely changes "a thing." :roll:
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:03 pm

I was on AA 70 DFW-FRA today. I Bet we broke that record.
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:05 pm

It's nice to see that that 50 years after its maiden voyage (also JFK-LHR) the Queen of the Skies is still making news.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:06 pm

rlwynn wrote:
I was on AA 70 DFW-FRA today. I Bet we broke that record.


Did you time it?

LAX772LR wrote:
cpd wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Doesn’t change a thing.

It does, they must both takeoff and land at the same point or the timing is pointless. Removing the takeoff portion saves a huge chunk of time.

As well as approach and decell.

It most definitely changes "a thing." :roll:


I’m sure you could chop the decel time if needed. “Falling off the wall”.... (some of you will understand what that means).
 
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:17 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
cpd wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
Doesn’t change a thing.

It does, they must both takeoff and land at the same point or the timing is pointless. Removing the takeoff portion saves a huge chunk of time.

As well as approach and decell.

It most definitely changes "a thing." :roll:


The blackbird still holds the fastest crossing, regardless of where it took off.
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:33 pm

Arion640 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
cpd wrote:
It does, they must both takeoff and land at the same point or the timing is pointless. Removing the takeoff portion saves a huge chunk of time.

As well as approach and decell.

It most definitely changes "a thing."

The blackbird still holds the fastest crossing, regardless of where it took off.

So I guess the whole concept of anecdotal comparison is lost on you? Fair enough.

While we're at it, let's call Boeing's 77L marketing flight the "longest passenger service," and the Operation Solomon 747 the "busiest pax service" ....
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:38 pm

Arion640 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
cpd wrote:
It does, they must both takeoff and land at the same point or the timing is pointless. Removing the takeoff portion saves a huge chunk of time.

As well as approach and decell.

It most definitely changes "a thing." :roll:


The blackbird still holds the fastest crossing, regardless of where it took off.


Where did the Blackbird take off? Where did the Blackbird Land? What was the elapsed time?
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:41 pm

cpd wrote:
glideslope wrote:
Nice to see the Queen retake the record. Hope it holds up for long time.


It is still two hours slower than the record, so it is not the record holder of civil passenger carrying aircraft.

Perhaps this will change if the Boeing 969 reaches production, it might be able to do the journey in less than three hours. Doubtful - can’t see anything of the sort arriving in ten years. :(

And the SR-71 would still likely beat Concorde if takeoff and landing was included (from KJFK TO EGLL), but it wouldn’t be as big a time difference. The Blackbird would probably immediately refuel after takeoff (they takeoff with a light fuel load normally), while Concorde can go pretty much flat out right away if cleared to do so (which I think it did going from NY).


Yes, I should have clarified as Subsonic. I simply assumed that would be how it was read.
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:50 pm

How much were the westbound flights slowed down? Must have been hard going. I had a HAM-FRA flight a few years ago flying into a strong storm headwind like this and it was quite uncomfortable flight. About the only time I was glad to get off a plane.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:25 pm

Question....As these flights landed way early, how does that work with the 6am "curfew", I know there are a limited number of slots before 6am, but do VS/BA have access to those?
 
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:30 pm

mcogator wrote:
Why does someone need to rest on a < 5 hour daytime flight? I'm on LAX-MCO at least monthly, and unless I take the redeye, rest is not on my mind.


Who’s talking about rest on a daytime flight? BA112 is scheduled to depart at 6:30 pm NY time and arrive at 6:25 am London time the next day. That’s the epitome of a redeye flight, just like most eastbound transatlantic flights.
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:39 pm

Airspeeds weren't any higher than normal but I suppose that 'Eastbound TATL tail winds strong yesterday' lacks the drama sought by the OP.
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:43 pm

LAX772LR wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
As well as approach and decell.

It most definitely changes "a thing."

The blackbird still holds the fastest crossing, regardless of where it took off.

So I guess the whole concept of anecdotal comparison is lost on you? Fair enough.

While we're at it, let's call Boeing's 77L marketing flight the "longest passenger service," and the Operation Solomon 747 the "busiest pax service" ....


It still doesn’t change the fact the blackbird holds the fastest transatlantic crossing time.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:50 pm

Also interested how they landed before the 0600 curfew. Many times my flights have slowed down or delayed in NYC because we'd land too early.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:01 pm

The curfew can be eliminated in the event of forecast disruption such as when the airport expects LVPs to be in force or strong winds from the storm such as today.

Additionally, some airlines, of which BA is one, have a pool of night jet movements which can be substituted between flights. For example, if a flight that was due to land before 6am was delayed, that night jet movement can be allocated to another service providing the overall quota for the season is not exceeded.

We had a groundspeed in excess of 670kts coming back the other night over the Atlantic - 11 miles per minute! The jetstreams were getting up to about 215 knots.
 
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Re: New York to London - New Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:04 pm

Arion640 wrote:
LAX772LR wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
The blackbird still holds the fastest crossing, regardless of where it took off.

So I guess the whole concept of anecdotal comparison is lost on you? Fair enough.

While we're at it, let's call Boeing's 77L marketing flight the "longest passenger service," and the Operation Solomon 747 the "busiest pax service" ....

It still doesn’t change the fact the blackbird holds the fastest transatlantic crossing time.

So I guess the whole concept of anecdotal comparison is lost on you? Fair enough.

(see? Others can repeat the same thing and hope it elicits a different response too) :roll:



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Also interested how they landed before the 0600 curfew.

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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:05 pm

What about the poor buggers going the other direction? A different sort of record I suppose
 
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Re: New York to London - New Subsonic Flight Time Record

Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:15 pm

I read the article on CNN.com and I think the report is inaccurate when they stated that the flight time from JFK to LHR was about 2 hours shorter than normal. I dont think the flight takes more than 6 hours on that route. I actually flew IAD to LHR in about 6 hours in the past. It takes about 7 hours the other way around. Does anyone else agree?

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