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UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:40 am

A UTair 737-500 has been damaged in a hard landing at Usinsk airport in Russia, Rêgo VQ-BPS, 94 passengers and 6 crew on board

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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:49 am

Aircraft had a gear problem on landing

https://twitter.com/airportwebcams/stat ... 83584?s=21
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:01 pm

qf789 wrote:
Aircraft had a gear problem on landing

https://twitter.com/airportwebcams/stat ... 83584?s=21


I was going to say it looked more like a gear-up landing than a ‘hard landing’.
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:34 pm

Holy hell... What is that.. 280 knots over the fence? ;)

https://youtu.be/GJ2tfRyW4uQ
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:44 pm

KPDX wrote:
Holy hell... What is that.. 280 knots over the fence? ;)

https://youtu.be/GJ2tfRyW4uQ


Unless they survived a 2 second deceleration from 280kts, I'd say the video is sped up.
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:47 pm

BlueberryWheats wrote:
KPDX wrote:
Holy hell... What is that.. 280 knots over the fence? ;)

https://youtu.be/GJ2tfRyW4uQ


Unless they survived a 2 second deceleration from 280kts, I'd say the video is sped up.


I thought so too until I reviewed the control surfaces moving and when the camera falls and points upward in the cabin, the motion appears very real time. The video cuts off before the aircraft comes to a stop. You can clearly hear the metal grinding up until video end.

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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:49 pm

scbriml wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Aircraft had a gear problem on landing

https://twitter.com/airportwebcams/stat ... 83584?s=21


I was going to say it looked more like a gear-up landing than a ‘hard landing’.

The nosegear is down though (but not sure if that happened before or after the landing):
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:13 pm

There was NO GEAR PROBLEM..... geeezzzeee... looks like the plane hit the edge of the runway lip and took off the mains. The left main can be seen blind the flap. Gear problem...the pilots landing caused a problem with the main gear attach points..... what a waste....
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:15 pm

Given the age, will it be a write off?! :duck:
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:46 pm

Glad to head there are no serious injuries - looks like it was tricky getting off the wing though.

The video doesn't look sped up to me, but it does seem to be a rather low approach. Will be interesting to see whether they hit the runway first or the ground.
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:12 pm

According to airfleets, VQ-BPS is leased from WFBN and age 22.

Will this level of damage be worth fixing?.
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:22 pm

Let me guess. Landed just short, sheered of the mains and it slid on the runway before coming to a complete stop?
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:25 pm

bennett123 wrote:
According to airfleets, VQ-BPS is leased from WFBN and age 22.

Will this level of damage be worth fixing?.

Pretty sure not, it is "only" a classic version and not even a NG.

As it was a hard crash hit the ground, and even some parts inside falling down, there shall be some slightly hurt. In the video, the face says everything, this guy was completely shocked and did not know, what was going on but was pretty well aware, something is getting seriously wrong.

Avgeek21 wrote:
Let me guess. Landed just short, sheered of the mains and it slid on the runway before coming to a complete stop?

Yes, also my thoughts. Just landed few m too short.
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:49 pm

KPDX wrote:
Holy hell... What is that.. 280 knots over the fence? ;)

https://youtu.be/GJ2tfRyW4uQ

That is one very hard landing.......
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:56 pm

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According to airfleets, VQ-BPS is leased from WFBN and age 22.

Will this level of damage be worth fixing?.

Usually when the gear legs get ripped right off the wings the answer is no.
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:01 pm

Is this one of the former Continental - 500’s?
 
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:12 pm

That wasn't a hard landing, that was a crash landing
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:21 pm

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That wasn't a hard landing, that was a crash landing


everyone walked away from it, so at minimum it qualifies as a good landing :D
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:49 pm

As one of the twitter posts noted, most, but not all, took their cabin luggage and bags with them when evacuating the plane. Then as soon as most get off, they take out their phones and take pictures. Fortunately there wasn't an immediate fire or injuries with this, but the risk was still there and nothing in your carry on is worth more than your life if things go very wrong.
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:16 pm

2020 has not started out as a good year for aviation. So many accidents and incidents and we're only one month in.
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:17 pm

buzzard302 wrote:
2020 has not started out as a good year for aviation. So many accidents and incidents and we're only one month in.


For what it’s worth, the entire world has been pretty crazy for one month into 2020.
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:30 pm

T4thH wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
According to airfleets, VQ-BPS is leased from WFBN and age 22.

Will this level of damage be worth fixing?.

Pretty sure not, it is "only" a classic version and not even a NG.

As it was a hard crash hit the ground, and even some parts inside falling down, there shall be some slightly hurt. In the video, the face says everything, this guy was completely shocked and did not know, what was going on but was pretty well aware, something is getting seriously wrong.

Avgeek21 wrote:
Let me guess. Landed just short, sheered of the mains and it slid on the runway before coming to a complete stop?

Yes, also my thoughts. Just landed few m too short.



Yes, it looked to me like they came in really low and perhaps touched down just before the runway started. That would explain it. Either that or the gear wasn't properly down and locked.
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:32 pm

The good news is that most of the cigarettes and vodka made it off the plane unharmed.
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:33 pm

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Doesn’t look like the greatest of conditions to evacuate from the wing exits.

That one guy appears to have slipped and fallen right on his ass.
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:46 pm

Glad to hear everyone made it out okay! It appears they touched down on the threshold, where the snow is deep? That could have ripped the 2 main gears off if that's the case. That runway also looks awful, like an ice skating rink!
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:01 pm

hOMSaR wrote:
qf789 wrote:


Doesn’t look like the greatest of conditions to evacuate from the wing exits.

That one guy appears to have slipped and fallen right on his ass.


I've been a flight attendant, manager, and cabin safety training instructor for the better part of 30 years. I've always thought that it should be a regulatory requirement for a trained flight attendant to be posted at the overwing exits. This is but one very good example of why.

A trained crew member would have assessed the damage to the wing (which is the evacuation route!) to be contrary to safe evacuation from that exit. S/he would have blocked the exit and redirected passengers to a safe, usable way out. That we allow untrained passengers to be "in charge" of deciding if and when to open an emergency exit and send people into possibly deadly conditions is beyond me.
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:02 pm

Utair wanted to retire another 7x B737 classic this year. One is now retired, only 6 to retire left for this year. They have already phased out 17 B737 classic now, replaced them by leased B737 NG in part; they will need the ordered MAX urgently. And they are already in big financial trouble, something like this can kill them. They have had already two bad accidents in the last two years, loosing a Mil Mi 8 killing 18 and the B737-800 overran the runway in Sotchi with fire and 18 hurt.
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:03 pm

Definitely going too fast, wouldn't be surprised if the rest of the approach was unstable too.
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:17 pm

Door4Right wrote:
hOMSaR wrote:
qf789 wrote:


Doesn’t look like the greatest of conditions to evacuate from the wing exits.

That one guy appears to have slipped and fallen right on his ass.


I've been a flight attendant, manager, and cabin safety training instructor for the better part of 30 years. I've always thought that it should be a regulatory requirement for a trained flight attendant to be posted at the overwing exits. This is but one very good example of why.

A trained crew member would have assessed the damage to the wing (which is the evacuation route!) to be contrary to safe evacuation from that exit. S/he would have blocked the exit and redirected passengers to a safe, usable way out. That we allow untrained passengers to be "in charge" of deciding if and when to open an emergency exit and send people into possibly deadly conditions is beyond me.


Are you thinking one crew per exit door - like six crew for this plane instead of the three or four it probably had, or are you thinking like one per door position (aka, one covers both forward doors, one for both aft, one for both over wing?
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:21 pm

According to AVHerald, the aircraft touchdown about 15 meters short of the paved runway. After going through "heaps of snow", the main gear collapsed.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4d3110c1&opt=0
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:23 pm

zuckie13 wrote:
Door4Right wrote:
hOMSaR wrote:

Doesn’t look like the greatest of conditions to evacuate from the wing exits.

That one guy appears to have slipped and fallen right on his ass.


I've been a flight attendant, manager, and cabin safety training instructor for the better part of 30 years. I've always thought that it should be a regulatory requirement for a trained flight attendant to be posted at the overwing exits. This is but one very good example of why.

A trained crew member would have assessed the damage to the wing (which is the evacuation route!) to be contrary to safe evacuation from that exit. S/he would have blocked the exit and redirected passengers to a safe, usable way out. That we allow untrained passengers to be "in charge" of deciding if and when to open an emergency exit and send people into possibly deadly conditions is beyond me.


Are you thinking one crew per exit door - like six crew for this plane instead of the three or four it probably had, or are you thinking like one per door position (aka, one covers both forward doors, one for both aft, one for both over wing?


One flight attendant at the overwing area to cover either 2 or 4 window exits. One flight attendant at each door pair (front and aft). In the US at least, Part 121 dictates that required flight attendants be located at required "floor level exits" (doors.) That's all fine and good, but the days of extra flight attendants onboard is largely over, so for years crews have been trained to cover a door pair anyway, so that "extra" (not extra, really) person could be located at the overwings to manage the evacuation.
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:22 pm

Starfuryt wrote:
sonicruiser wrote:
That wasn't a hard landing, that was a crash landing


everyone walked away from it, so at minimum it qualifies as a good landing :D

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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:42 pm

I sense there is a very uneven level of skills among pilots in the RF. You sometimes get the best piloting and airmanship levels(Ural Airlines Russian version of Sully) and clowns like this guy or the guy who smashed the SSJ at Sheremetyevo until it broke up. They must perform a very thorough investigation of why such behavior is going on.
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:49 pm

mmo wrote:
According to AVHerald, the aircraft touchdown about 15 meters short of the paved runway. After going through "heaps of snow", the main gear collapsed.

http://avherald.com/h?article=4d3110c1&opt=0


With no apparent fuel leakage, it looks like the landing gear fuse pins did their job.

A bit of a slow response from the fire fighting crew.
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:03 pm

Wayfarer515 wrote:
I sense there is a very uneven level of skills among pilots in the RF. You sometimes get the best piloting and airmanship levels(Ural Airlines Russian version of Sully) and clowns like this guy or the guy who smashed the SSJ at Sheremetyevo until it broke up. They must perform a very thorough investigation of why such behavior is going on.


I am no expert but I suspect that some people have jobs because of their skills and value while others have them because of their connections. This would explain the uneven level of skills.
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:21 pm

hOMSaR wrote:
qf789 wrote:


Doesn’t look like the greatest of conditions to evacuate from the wing exits.

That one guy appears to have slipped and fallen right on his ass.



LMAO .. how embarrassing for him! That pic making the internet.
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Sun Feb 09, 2020 11:49 pm

Ishrion wrote:
buzzard302 wrote:
2020 has not started out as a good year for aviation. So many accidents and incidents and we're only one month in.


For what it’s worth, the entire world has been pretty crazy for one month into 2020.


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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:00 am

According to some posters in another thread, it would be amazing that somehow a 737 had a bad landing without breaking into three pieces, as 737s always break apart...
 
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:06 am

T4thH wrote:
Utair wanted to retire another 7x B737 classic this year. One is now retired, only 6 to retire left for this year. They have already phased out 17 B737 classic now, replaced them by leased B737 NG in part; they will need the ordered MAX urgently. And they are already in big financial trouble, something like this can kill them. They have had already two bad accidents in the last two years, loosing a Mil Mi 8 killing 18 and the B737-800 overran the runway in Sotchi with fire and 18 hurt.

Yes, such incident will kill UT. Not sure if any insurance company is lining up to insure their aircraft, given their safety record is pretty spotty at its best. They have been in financial crunch for some time and have flirted with bankruptcy for few times. They ofloaded some newer NG to S7 and kept some, those MAX can't come soon enough. Newer A321 are all but gone. The ironic part is their new tagline "The easy way to get closer", not sure such tagline instill confidence for air travellers.
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:27 am

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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:43 am

Longer version and you can see that guy fall.

Also left wing was leaking fuel.

https://youtu.be/B4Hgk2sgNxs
 
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:54 am

Spetsnaz55 wrote:
Longer version and you can see that guy fall.

Also left wing was leaking fuel.

https://youtu.be/B4Hgk2sgNxs


Flight attendants evacuating with bags too!
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:02 am

This is kind of a "right in the childhood" moment for me. I probably flew this frame a time or 2 as a kid between IAH and SNA.
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 1:57 am

debonair wrote:
Given the age, will it be a write off?! :duck:


I think so as UT Air has already retired some of their 737-500s, so to write off another one should be a no-brainer.
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:31 am

Start of the video still looks way too fast.There's got to be more to the story than them simply landing too short.
 
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:04 am

Well, at least she remained in one piece.. as she should.
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:50 am

Slowest evacuation ever. Sure lets all just take our sweet time, open the overhead bins and grab all our stuff. Makes me so angry seeing people do this.. In every single evacuation you see. You never know when something can go downhill quick, fuel can catch fire in an instant and lives can be lost. Sadly I don't think anything the airlines can say or do will stop people from thinking only of themselves and grabbing personal belonging. Shows you no matter what country you are in, people all act the same. It's quite a shame really.
 
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:59 am

danman132x wrote:
Slowest evacuation ever. Sure lets all just take our sweet time, open the overhead bins and grab all our stuff. Makes me so angry seeing people do this.. In every single evacuation you see. You never know when something can go downhill quick, fuel can catch fire in an instant and lives can be lost. Sadly I don't think anything the airlines can say or do will stop people from thinking only of themselves and grabbing personal belonging. Shows you no matter what country you are in, people all act the same. It's quite a shame really.

Reminds me of SU SSJ crash, some of those who perished could have survived if those in front evacuated immediately!! Grrr!! If they are concerned of their money and passport, they should keep them in their pockets.
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Re: UTair 737-500 damaged in hard landing at Usinsk

Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:24 am

Crazy video.

Plane on belly and everyone just chatting.

Completely casual approach to evacuation. Not able to speak Russian, so not sure if Evacuation order was given.

Evacuation apparently took place without input from Cabin Crew.

That is one airline NOT to fly with.

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