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Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:23 pm

Looking at the life feed BIG JET TV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gln7T-xxE4k , apparantly the B787-9 yamyam just
suffered a suspected tailstrike and is coming back to windy LHR.

BTW 12 go arounds already, fantastic life entertainment.
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Re: Qantaq B787 Yam Yam Tailstrike at TO LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:36 pm

Arniepie wrote:
Looking at the life feed BIG JET TV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gln7T-xxE4k , apparantly the B787-9 yamyam just
suffered a suspected tailstrike and is coming back to windy LHR.

BTW 12 go arounds already, fantastic life entertainment.


Big Jet TV always entertaining when theres a storm about. 2 x go arounds in the last few minutes. QF10 will have a lot of fuel to get rid of before coming back in
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:45 pm

QF10 joining the approach to LHR as we speak.
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:46 pm

How much fuel are they permitted to land with?
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:51 pm

On final approach now
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:54 pm

already went around once
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:58 pm

Safely back at LHR. Hard landing it seemed though.
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:58 pm

Didn't look like anything obviously damaged on its landing
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 1:59 pm

Probably no tailstrike by the first look of it.
Heavy airplane seems to make for a stable approach
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:14 pm

Arniepie wrote:
already went around once


It didn't perform a go around.
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:21 pm

Fuling wrote:
Arniepie wrote:
already went around once


It didn't perform a go around.


There are so many , I probably mistook another one for QF10.
QF10 is cancelled.
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:42 pm

That live feed is entertaining, just saw the BA 777 going touch and go and the Iran Air A310 land like it's nothing.
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 2:46 pm

Part of my bi-annual sim training on A330/340 last year was tail strike risk during gusty and crosswind conditions. It’s definitely a threat.
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 3:49 pm

Waterbomber2 wrote:
That live feed is entertaining, just saw the BA 777 going touch and go and the Iran Air A310 land like it's nothing.


Seen the same touch n go on the BA777....and the Iran Air A310...not realize the A310 looks so "stubby".
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:41 pm

What time did the strike occur? I was watching out of the corner of my eye but couldnt remember how long it was in the broadcast. Thanks for the help!
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 4:44 pm

bhmdiversion wrote:
What time did the strike occur? I was watching out of the corner of my eye but couldnt remember how long it was in the broadcast. Thanks for the help!


I think it was exactly 1:00 P.M. local time. Might be wrong.
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:35 pm

Wonder how they got the tail strike as the 787 has a tail strike inhibit function that is designed into the flight control system?
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 5:38 pm

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Wonder how they got the tail strike as the 787 has a tail strike inhibit function that is designed into the flight control system?


Given this thread, a sudden wind gust right at rotation seems possible.
 
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Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:05 pm

IADCA wrote:
BravoOne wrote:
Wonder how they got the tail strike as the 787 has a tail strike inhibit function that is designed into the flight control system?


Given this thread, a sudden wind gust right at rotation seems possible.


Probably true.
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:12 pm

No damage found according to the tweet below
https://twitter.com/FlightIntl/status/1 ... 0669181952
Update: Qantas flight #QF10 to Perth returned to London Heathrow Airport shortly after takeoff due to a suspected tailstrike. Engineers have inspected the aircraft and did not find damage. The flight is forced to be cancelled because of maximum crew hours
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:57 pm

BravoOne wrote:
Wonder how they got the tail strike as the 787 has a tail strike inhibit function that is designed into the flight control system?


Wind gusts can strike the tail along with a poor rotation. We use F20 and an increased rotation speed in order to help prevent a tail strike in strong gusty winds.

There is a TAIL STRIKE EICAS message I assume they got it....interesting there was no damage.
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:59 pm

There is a bulletin out for the 787 on false rail strike indications...
Seems another false indication...
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:07 pm

I was watching on Big Jet tv and it stayed on the ground for possibly 30+ mins waiting near the take off point before it finally took off. Appeared to be much longer than other takeoffs today. Maybe the crew where not happy with something else before they took off.
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Sun Feb 09, 2020 8:18 pm

That’s 200 more people on QF2 tonight then.
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:55 am

Bealine251 wrote:
I was watching on Big Jet tv and it stayed on the ground for possibly 30+ mins waiting near the take off point before it finally took off. Appeared to be much longer than other takeoffs today. Maybe the crew where not happy with something else before they took off.


Most like it used more runway as it was at MTOW, having watched the flight depart PER countless times including the one in the air right now it does use most of the runway here. There is only one flight here that regularly uses more runway being the SA A340
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Mon Feb 10, 2020 12:59 am

Arion640 wrote:
That’s 200 more people on QF2 tonight then.


That’s providing they had the room. As the result of ZND returning to LHR today’s QF9 service in cancelled
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:08 am

qf789 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
That’s 200 more people on QF2 tonight then.


That’s providing they had the room. As the result of ZND returning to LHR today’s QF9 service in cancelled

As well as QF2, it is likely some will have been transferred onto EK services to both PER and MEL via DXB. February is not a peak time so it is likely reaccommodation is possible without too many dramas.
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:21 am

tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:
Arion640 wrote:
That’s 200 more people on QF2 tonight then.


That’s providing they had the room. As the result of ZND returning to LHR today’s QF9 service in cancelled

As well as QF2, it is likely some will have been transferred onto EK services to both PER and MEL via DXB. February is not a peak time so it is likely reaccommodation is possible without too many dramas.


Not just EK - any airline or combination of airlines. Depending on timings 200 still isn’t fun to move but worse city pairs to have to do it on than LHR-PER lots of options.
 
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:11 am

smi0006 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
qf789 wrote:

That’s providing they had the room. As the result of ZND returning to LHR today’s QF9 service in cancelled

As well as QF2, it is likely some will have been transferred onto EK services to both PER and MEL via DXB. February is not a peak time so it is likely reaccommodation is possible without too many dramas.


Not just EK - any airline or combination of airlines. Depending on timings 200 still isn’t fun to move but worse city pairs to have to do it on than LHR-PER lots of options.

You're right but EK most likely given JSA. Other possibilities would be CX and QR, both Oneworld partners that serve both PER and MEL. I'd imagine interline airlines such as SQ would only be looked at if no other alternative available.
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:18 am

tullamarine wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
As well as QF2, it is likely some will have been transferred onto EK services to both PER and MEL via DXB. February is not a peak time so it is likely reaccommodation is possible without too many dramas.


Not just EK - any airline or combination of airlines. Depending on timings 200 still isn’t fun to move but worse city pairs to have to do it on than LHR-PER lots of options.

You're right but EK most likely given JSA. Other possibilities would be CX and QR, both Oneworld partners that serve both PER and MEL. I'd imagine interline airlines such as SQ would only be looked at if no other alternative available.


Yes EK is the most likely, considering flying half empty A380's is the new normal for EK at PER
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Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:38 am

Bealine251 wrote:
I was watching on Big Jet tv and it stayed on the ground for possibly 30+ mins waiting near the take off point before it finally took off. Appeared to be much longer than other takeoffs today. Maybe the crew where not happy with something else before they took off.


There was a congestion at LHR, many flights were waiting 30 minutes or more on the ground queue before taking off. A BA A35K waited more than 45 minutes in the taxiway I think.
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:51 am

tullamarine wrote:
smi0006 wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
As well as QF2, it is likely some will have been transferred onto EK services to both PER and MEL via DXB. February is not a peak time so it is likely reaccommodation is possible without too many dramas.


Not just EK - any airline or combination of airlines. Depending on timings 200 still isn’t fun to move but worse city pairs to have to do it on than LHR-PER lots of options.

You're right but EK most likely given JSA. Other possibilities would be CX and QR, both Oneworld partners that serve both PER and MEL. I'd imagine interline airlines such as SQ would only be looked at if no other alternative available.


That’s a slight consideration, and prorate rebooking costs may reflect that - but when you have a queue of 200 people in front of you who want to stab you for cancelling their flight, you rebook on first available. Generally the way centralised disrupt management teams work also. Operation, and customer journey teams just care about getting the pax on their way ASAP. In 11 years of working in disrupt management, my first priority is to get the pax on their way ASAP, with attempting to align product standards second. Never once thought about JVs or alliances. Benefit of working, and flying for a legacy over LCC which is far far more restrictive in looking after the pax. For schedule changes 5days out and more different story.
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:58 pm

VH-ZND back in service today on QF10. Delayed departure from LHR this morning but on its way now.
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:31 pm

Would it have been a problem if they continued to Australia?
 
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Re: Qantas 787-9 VH-ZND QF10 LHR-PER Tailstrike on takeoff LHR

Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:46 pm

Ziyulu wrote:
Would it have been a problem if they continued to Australia?


If you have a warning related to a possible tail strike that can compromise the hull integrity the only possible way to conduct is exactly has the crew did.
 
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Ziyulu wrote:
Would it have been a problem if they continued to Australia?


Not unless the tail fell off...

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