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Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:25 am

Good morning everyone! I thought of doing a thread regarding aviation in Spain, news and updates on current and new operators, etc.

- Any updates on Gowair? They had a fleet of 3 A320s. The one bearing a colorful tail, had been sitting on remote stand in front of MAD's T2. The other 2 had their engines covered and were stored on remote stands, closer to the cargo area.

- Swifair's ATR72-500 EC-MKE was hit by ground vehicles and had been on open storage ever since. Last time I spotted it, it was being used as parts donor for other aircraft. It is listed as active on airfleets, although its current condition is far from active.
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:49 am

What next for Binter? Have they any further ATR76´s on order or is it only Embraer 295 from here?
Know they have 3 delivered with two more due? But will more be ordered to release all the CRJ1000´s they have leased in?

Will Air Europa get the go ahead to be merged with Iberia??
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 12:30 pm

Great idea Embajador3 !

Same for Air Nostrum's ATR76s - they only have 4 of them plus 7 leased. Are there any routes in which the CRJ is not a good replacement for the ATRs?
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 9:49 pm

Ryanair announced this week they adding a 2nd plane for its SCQ base in June

https://www.larazon.es/economia/2020020 ... y5kcm.html

Ryanair crece en Santiago


In the last 5 years, SCQ has got 4 based planes:

S15: Vueling 1st plane
S16: Ryanair 1st plane
S19: Vueling 2nd plane
S20: Ryanair 2nd plane

In addition TAP will start its only new European destination in S20 with a twice daily LIS-SCQ starting June 5.
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:43 am

downtown273 wrote:
Great idea Embajador3 !

Same for Air Nostrum's ATR76s - they only have 4 of them plus 7 leased. Are there any routes in which the CRJ is not a good replacement for the ATRs?


The Avion Revue Magazine stated that Air Nostrum currently has 9 ATR72-600, plus another 2 leased from CanaryFly and based in MLN.
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:45 am

acelanzarote wrote:
What next for Binter? Have they any further ATR76´s on order or is it only Embraer 295 from here?
Know they have 3 delivered with two more due? But will more be ordered to release all the CRJ1000´s they have leased in?

Will Air Europa get the go ahead to be merged with Iberia??


Binter has another 3 ATR72-600 on order, and they recently took delivery of another one.
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 10:04 pm

Gracias Embajador3!

Good question, does anyone have any updates on the UX acquisition?

From my Canary perspective, Ryanair is re-starting some flights from LPA after having fired everyone in the base. My guess is hiring new for cheaper which is causing quite a stir in the islands.

Looking forward to the new IB a350 deliveries https://www.planespotters.net/productio ... s/A350?p=8

I also wonder if anyone has any thoughts on the "enhanced onboard services" https://grupo.iberia.es/news/20012020/i ... s-for-2020

Gracias!
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:08 am

himarhernandez wrote:
From my Canary perspective, Ryanair is re-starting some flights from LPA after having fired everyone in the base. My guess is hiring new for cheaper which is causing quite a stir in the islands.


You are very welcome, himarhernandez!

As for FR, I doubt they will anybody there any time soon. My guess they will continue to fly there from other bases, and if necessary, they will temporarely base Buzz Air or Lauda planes.
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:40 am

Spanish aviation will be much different from today once UX takeover by IB takes place.

Some of my question marks are:

Is the UX brand going to be retained as a full-service carrier?
If not will UX ops split between VY for short-haul and LV for long-haul?
Will UX long-haul network be kept? specially service to second-tier and leisure LatAm destinations unserved by IB. Will LV pick up UX long-haul network?
Expecting IB short-haul network to increase substantially (fleet size increase), what's the future for YW?
Will AF/KL replace UX feeder flights to AMS/CDG as UX leaves Sky (VLC, AGP, PMI, etc)?


himarhernandez wrote:
I also wonder if anyone has any thoughts on the "enhanced onboard services" https://grupo.iberia.es/news/20012020/i ... s-for-2020

Gracias!


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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:18 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
Spanish aviation will be much different from today once UX takeover by IB takes place.


Is this going to happen, after all?
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:40 pm

Embajador3 wrote:
- Any updates on Gowair? They had a fleet of 3 A320s. The one bearing a colorful tail, had been sitting on remote stand in front of MAD's T2. The other 2 had their engines covered and were stored on remote stands, closer to the cargo area.


Very strange their web-page is down, but it is still listed as official AOC holder as of 12th February 2020:
https://www.seguridadaerea.gob.es/lang_ ... fault.aspx
https://www.seguridadaerea.gob.es/media ... cias_a.pdf
https://www.seguridadaerea.gob.es/media ... do_aoc.pdf
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 11:52 am

tobsw wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
Spanish aviation will be much different from today once UX takeover by IB takes place.


Is this going to happen, after all?


Why not?

EU authorities are working on the approval, a merge like this doesn't get approved overnight but it will happen for sure. We'll see some restrictions on the deal (anti-trust), but none will be show stoppers.
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:41 pm

debonair wrote:
Embajador3 wrote:
- Any updates on Gowair? They had a fleet of 3 A320s. The one bearing a colorful tail, had been sitting on remote stand in front of MAD's T2. The other 2 had their engines covered and were stored on remote stands, closer to the cargo area.


Very strange their web-page is down, but it is still listed as official AOC holder as of 12th February 2020:
https://www.seguridadaerea.gob.es/lang_ ... fault.aspx
https://www.seguridadaerea.gob.es/media ... cias_a.pdf
https://www.seguridadaerea.gob.es/media ... do_aoc.pdf


Just checked their website, it is very much up and running, they are even hiring! On a side note, only yesterday, I saw one of their A320 getting some TLC.
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 15, 2020 9:44 am

Embajador3 wrote:
Just checked their website, it is very much up and running, they are even hiring! On a side note, only yesterday, I saw one of their A320 getting some TLC.


Thank you! I tried one week ago their web-page, which was not working - but you are right, its back again!

BTW. Plus Ultra has taken over the reconfigured ex Etihad A340-600, any idea what Business Class looks like? Have the kept the former EY-interior?
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:37 pm

debonair wrote:
Embajador3 wrote:
Just checked their website, it is very much up and running, they are even hiring! On a side note, only yesterday, I saw one of their A320 getting some TLC.


BTW. Plus Ultra has taken over the reconfigured ex Etihad A340-600, any idea what Business Class looks like? Have the kept the former EY-interior?


I know they have more than one A346. My guess is that they probably kept it as is, or perhaps they removed the first class section and left the business class only.

Gowair's A320 EC-MQH is nowhere to be see in MAD.
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 7:08 pm

Embajador3 wrote:
Gowair's A320 EC-MQH is nowhere to be see in MAD.


Strange, plane should have been back today in MAD after some sub-charter work for TuiFly...

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ec-mqh
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:12 pm

upperdeckfan wrote:
tobsw wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
Spanish aviation will be much different from today once UX takeover by IB takes place.


Is this going to happen, after all?


Why not?

EU authorities are working on the approval, a merge like this doesn't get approved overnight but it will happen for sure. We'll see some restrictions on the deal (anti-trust), but none will be show stoppers.


This is correct, there is no update until the EU big guns come back to approve and likely they will, but there might just be some restrictions.

In terms of what the future place of AEA in IAG, I think it will stay broadly as it is for 12-18'months pending a belt and braces review of the business.

IAG will consolidate its brands, I think.st this juncture that is logical. AEA will be absorbed into IB and VY respectively. Those MAD centric services will become IB or IB Express, those outside of that will go to VY or equivalent.

The big ticket item is Aircraft type.
Will each airline be forced to bring a new type into the fleet?
Clearly terminals, alliances, FFPs and commercial agreements will all be up for change....
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:37 am

IrishLessor wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:
tobsw wrote:

Is this going to happen, after all?




IAG will consolidate its brands, I think.st this juncture that is logical. AEA will be absorbed into IB and VY respectively. Those MAD centric services will become IB or IB Express, those outside of that will go to VY or equivalent. .


On IAG's press release, they said they want UX's brand to remain very much alive as it serves its purpose of being some sort of carrier in between a legacy and a low cost airline.
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:43 pm

Embajador3 wrote:
IrishLessor wrote:
upperdeckfan wrote:



IAG will consolidate its brands, I think.st this juncture that is logical. AEA will be absorbed into IB and VY respectively. Those MAD centric services will become IB or IB Express, those outside of that will go to VY or equivalent. .


On IAG's press release, they said they want UX's brand to remain very much alive as it serves its purpose of being some sort of carrier in between a legacy and a low cost airline.



I wonder if they will keep it as their low cost brand (maybe replacing Level and or Vueling?) Certainly no need for four Spanish brands (IB, UX, IB2, VY)
 
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Re: Spanish Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:38 pm

himarhernandez wrote:
Embajador3 wrote:
IrishLessor wrote:


On IAG's press release, they said they want UX's brand to remain very much alive as it serves its purpose of being some sort of carrier in between a legacy and a low cost airline.



I wonder if they will keep it as their low cost brand (maybe replacing Level and or Vueling?) Certainly no need for four Spanish brands (IB, UX, IB2, VY)


Yeah, I agree. I still don't understand why would they need to have Vueling, Air Europa and Iberia Express in Spain. Level makes more sense, since it is a brand shared by other members of IAG (Iberia, Anisec and Openskies).
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