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"There needs to be more direct (international) flights at YQB", says Club Med's CEO

Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:12 pm

The lack of direct flighs between YQB and large international cities is a "fundamental topic", according to him, less than two years before Club Med's Charlevoix opening.

(…) In 2019, there were only 18 direct routes with foeign cities, most of which wre sun destinations such as Cayo Coco and Punta Cana.

It will be fundamental that direct access from New York, Boston and Philadelphia are reinforced.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/15 ... d-destaing

They expect to attract 50,000 customers each year in their new Club Med, the first in North America. Could it be enoug, combined with regular travellers, to attract new flights to YQB?
 
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Re: "There needs to be more direct (international) flights at YQB", says Club Med's CEO

Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:25 pm

So if they want non-stop flights from NYC, BOS, and/or PHL to YQB, they're going to have to subsidize the flights. The airlines aren't going to take that risk to chase maybe 100-200 weekly passengers to Club Med over and above the limited existing demand.

For Americans in the Northeast, I don't really see the point. If you've got that kind of money to blow on a ski vacation and you need to get on a plane anyway, you might as well head to the Rockies or even the Alps. Plus going out to Colorado or Utah won't require a passport.
 
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Re: "There needs to be more direct (international) flights at YQB", says Club Med's CEO

Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:48 pm

ScottB wrote:
So if they want non-stop flights from NYC, BOS, and/or PHL to YQB, they're going to have to subsidize the flights. The airlines aren't going to take that risk to chase maybe 100-200 weekly passengers to Club Med over and above the limited existing demand.

For Americans in the Northeast, I don't really see the point. If you've got that kind of money to blow on a ski vacation and you need to get on a plane anyway, you might as well head to the Rockies or even the Alps. Plus going out to Colorado or Utah won't require a passport.


There's world class skiing even closer in Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and the Adirondack mountains of New York. I used to go out west to ski frequently when I was younger. Now its a pain in the behind to lug that all to the airport regardless of destination. I've talked to quite a few other northeasterner's who feel the same way.

That being said a direct flight to Quebec City has been missing from my home airport of Boston. I used to go up frequently to see friends and family and connecting in YYZ or YUL (or other airports) is not desirable imho.
 
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Re: "There needs to be more direct (international) flights at YQB", says Club Med's CEO

Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:51 pm

ScottB wrote:
So if they want non-stop flights from NYC, BOS, and/or PHL to YQB, they're going to have to subsidize the flights. The airlines aren't going to take that risk to chase maybe 100-200 weekly passengers to Club Med over and above the limited existing demand.


50K Club Med visitors doesn't mean 50K new air passengers, either. A lot of the visitor count is going to be Quebecois or Ontarians driving.

Would Club Med Quebec Charlevoix be viable in the current state of affairs, without a new direct flight? The businessman skillfully dodges the question. "I do not take this hypothesis as a working hypothesis."

You have to love French interpretations of capitalism: commit $ millions to a project and then complain about transportation infrastructure. Good luck on a Sao Paulo - YQB non-stop flight.
 
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Re: "There needs to be more direct (international) flights at YQB", says Club Med's CEO

Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:23 pm

As long as YUL is 270 km driving distance from YQB, Quebec City will always lose out to the Gravity Effect. Unless YQB can somehow become a beacon for premium traffic, major new service isn't going to come knocking.

Cities that are too near to large metro areas have to create their own demand or airlines will simply have no reason to fly there. Bakersfield, California (BFL), for example, a metro area approaching one million people, is hopelessly locked into the gravity of LAX. The two-plus hour driving time to LAX and the nearly unlimited choices available there mean that the premium-service-desert airport that is BFL barely supports 1xSFO, 3xPHX, 3xDEN, and 2xDFW. SAN as well has long struggled to maintain its "International" designation, where for many years the only international flights were to a Mexican resort city. As the city transitioned away from military-only to a world city, it developed enough gravity on its own to warrant service to LHR, NRT, and now FRA. All without pulling from LAX.

YQB is the same way - it is simply too close to YUL - with a lack of premium demand from that airport - for airlines to find a reason to begin service there. And all the wishing in the world isn't going to convince airlines to fly into this airport. C'est la vie.

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