Williamsb747
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Latam increasing JNB

Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:33 am

https://www.google.com/amp/s/aviacaobra ... ros/%3famp

Use google translate to convert.

Latam will add two flights a week between GRU-JNB making this a daily route, A359 operating.

This is most likely due to SAA cutting GRU completely. Although I would have thought LA would add more than daily flights as this route was previously flown 12 weekly between the two carriers.

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myki
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Re: Latam increasing JNB

Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:57 am

... flown 12 weekly which obviously was loss-making for one carrier. Too many perhaps?
 
sixfootscream
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Re: Latam increasing JNB

Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:15 am

I am not surprised that Latam increased their flights right away. We really don't need SAA. Other airlines are willing to serve South Africa.
 
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Re: Latam increasing JNB

Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:30 am

From what I remember, until recently GRU was not severely loss making for SA, but just around the breakeven point. Sad to see SA pull out of GRU completely. Several years ago, they even had a second daily frequency on some days of the week.
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Re: Latam increasing JNB

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:35 pm

Many routes that are looser for SAA are winners for others, Latam has been flying to South Africa for just a few years. IF it was a drain they would gladly give it up and add a flight to Europe or the USA.
 
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Re: Latam increasing JNB

Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:35 pm

Williamsb747 wrote:
This is most likely due to SAA cutting GRU completely. Although I would have thought LA would add more than daily flights as this route was previously flown 12 weekly between the two carriers.


Why would they want to replace all the capacity rather than use their now monopoly power of non-stop service to raise prices?
 
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Re: Latam increasing JNB

Fri Feb 14, 2020 3:37 pm

hoons90 wrote:
From what I remember, until recently GRU was not severely loss making for SA, but just around the breakeven point. Sad to see SA pull out of GRU completely. Several years ago, they even had a second daily frequency on some days of the week.


About 10 to 15 years ago it was, but that was before LATAM entered non-stop and long before the ME3+ entered GRU in a big way. Up until then SA had the most efficient connections to Asia, but the route has been hemorrhaging money for a while.
 
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Re: Latam increasing JNB

Sat Feb 15, 2020 8:31 am

evanb wrote:
hoons90 wrote:
From what I remember, until recently GRU was not severely loss making for SA, but just around the breakeven point. Sad to see SA pull out of GRU completely. Several years ago, they even had a second daily frequency on some days of the week.


About 10 to 15 years ago it was, but that was before LATAM entered non-stop and long before the ME3+ entered GRU in a big way. Up until then SA had the most efficient connections to Asia, but the route has been hemorrhaging money for a while.


Interesting. IIRC they used to be a big player in the BOM-GRU market, but of course both are dropped/getting dropped now.

I read a few years ago that PER, FRA and MUC were the only truly profitable long haul routes for SAA. I guess this isn't the case anymore now that MUC is getting dropped.
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Re: Latam increasing JNB

Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:01 pm

hoons90 wrote:
Interesting. IIRC they used to be a big player in the BOM-GRU market, but of course both are dropped/getting dropped now.


Indeed, BOM, HKG and connections on SQ to SIN too. However, JNB-BOM yields were horrific (mostly due to strong competition from ET, KQ, EK, QR, EY and TK). As BOM and HKG were dropped it also degraded JNB-GRU further.

hoons90 wrote:
I read a few years ago that PER, FRA and MUC were the only truly profitable long haul routes for SAA. I guess this isn't the case anymore now that MUC is getting dropped.


It's difficult to know. As many poor performing short/medium haul routes have been dropped they've further degraded the operational performance of the long haul network.
 
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Re: Latam increasing JNB

Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:06 pm

The thread title is not totally accurate. All the news piece says is that LATAM plans to take the GRU-JNB-GRU from 5x w to daily in 2020, but there is no set date for it.
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Williamsb747
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Re: Latam increasing JNB

Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:15 am

dcajet wrote:
The thread title is not totally accurate. All the news piece says is that LATAM plans to take the GRU-JNB-GRU from 5x w to daily in 2020, but there is no set date for it.

It’s accurate in the sense of the route is being increased and there is no date mentioned in the title.

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