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Solid Valentine’s Day gift.

Left side H.

It appears DL hires plenty of people of Scottish descent

Was searching for McDonald's amongst all the Mc's that I could see.

FSDan wrote:

It appears DL hires plenty of people of Scottish descent

Witty!

This is brilliant. This is the kind of cheesy, low cost trick that would totally work on me if I were a DL employee. I would love to have my name on the A321. This is a positive thing for company culture.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if an employee who gets fired or even one who doesn't makes an issue of Delta painting their first and last name on an aircraft without their express consent.

Thank You, cause meh baby needs ‘em shoes!

https://electrek.co/2020/02/14/egeb-del ... hore-wind/

It’s to coincide with the $1.6 Billion profit sharing payout today 14 Feb.

Thank you Delta,
Delta thank you,
Delta Delta
Thank you, thank you!

flymco753 wrote:

:D Left side H.

Hello from the r/h side of the T!

the livery itself is nothing amazing

Copyrights.....ha! Boeing did it with a B-17, Consolidated did it with the B-24, North American did it with the B-25.....copyright....hardly.... it is a nice to recognize the employees.

Now for history of Deltas profit sharing. Armchair CEOs and non Delta employees can nay say the truth but here it is... Profit sharing was created ONLY to try and pay back the pilots when the pension was taken away. It was then spread to the other employees for moral sake and to them the pilots say “your welcome” ALPA in its utter failure to protect the pension negotiated the PS. Can’t nay say the facts if you can read. New pilots hired today will walk away with 3-5 mil in their 401 with a robust economy after 30 years....approximate of course. They have the most to gain...that’s great. People like me in 2007 had a value built up to $507000 taken away and given $ 80000 in a 401 to rebuild. I will do great but 1/2 of the value calculated by Delta when I was hired. So ALL of my PS goes into 401/Roth and some type of retirement to rebuild what the airline took. Some airlines had the pension frozen, Delta pilots did not. Again, it’s not woes me..I am doing great......it is how PS started and Delta spread it like it was their idea...NOT. alpa did something right but actually later, gave back a percentage . not the brightest bulbs in alpa.....

Don’t get me wrong, I love the airline and my family has been with Delta since the 50s...not a better airline out there. The internal matters are staggering...you should see what they just did...... can’t say due to company policy...shocking...

I think this is very cool.

And even if someone else did it before them, doesn't make it less cool.

Left side in the U. My eyes still hurt after spending 15-20 minutes trying to find it.

Cheesy? Yes, but it's a simple gesture of goodwill.

What is the registration?

aemoreira1981 wrote:

What is the registration?

N391DN

reltney wrote:

People like me in 2007 had a value built up to $507000 taken away and given $ 80000 in a 401 to rebuild. I will do great but 1/2 of the value calculated by Delta when I was hired. So ALL of my PS goes into 401/Roth and some type of retirement to rebuild what the airline took.

Putting it all in your 401k/ Roth is a good idea, but be careful to not max out your 401k contributions before the end of the year. If you max out before the last paycheck you miss out in the company 401k match. Hate to miss out on the free money!

FSDan wrote:

It appears DL hires plenty of people of Scottish descent

Actually both Scottish and Irish descent I'd wager!

I can certainly understand Delta doing this. Air Canada did the same thing in 2002 and the employees loved it. It really did make one feel a part of the team.



Everyone followed the aircraft to run out and take a picture of their name. The maple leaf was made up of employee names and mine was right behind the left wing, about 10 rows below the windows. (Yes, I took pictures).

It’s all cool! Names on airplanes to thank employees is great. Boeing’s B-17 5GRAND started the whole thing and every airline/manufacture should do it. I love when I am restoring a plane and find a signature on a panel with a date....

Cheers....

Dalmd88 wrote:

reltney wrote:

People like me in 2007 had a value built up to $507000 taken away and given $ 80000 in a 401 to rebuild. I will do great but 1/2 of the value calculated by Delta when I was hired. So ALL of my PS goes into 401/Roth and some type of retirement to rebuild what the airline took.

Putting it all in your 401k/ Roth is a good idea, but be careful to not max out your 401k contributions before the end of the year. If you max out before the last paycheck you miss out in the company 401k match. Hate to miss out on the free money!

The pilots don’t get match it’s a direct contribution.

Dalmd88 wrote:

reltney wrote:

People like me in 2007 had a value built up to $507000 taken away and given $ 80000 in a 401 to rebuild. I will do great but 1/2 of the value calculated by Delta when I was hired. So ALL of my PS goes into 401/Roth and some type of retirement to rebuild what the airline took.

Putting it all in your 401k/ Roth is a good idea, but be careful to not max out your 401k contributions before the end of the year. If you max out before the last paycheck you miss out in the company 401k match. Hate to miss out on the free money!

The pilots don't have a 401k match. They have a defined contribution (every $100 earned, company contributes $16 to their 401k).

reltney wrote:

Don’t get me wrong, I love the airline and my family has been with Delta since the 50s...not a better airline out there. The internal matters are staggering...you should see what they just did...... can’t say due to company policy...shocking...

What??

What do you mean by”internal matters” and “staggering”?

What do you mean “what they just did”? Who is they? Delta? And give us a hint as to what it’s relayed to without giving specifics that’ll get anyone in trouble.

Cactusjuba wrote:

Dalmd88 wrote:

reltney wrote:

People like me in 2007 had a value built up to $507000 taken away and given $ 80000 in a 401 to rebuild. I will do great but 1/2 of the value calculated by Delta when I was hired. So ALL of my PS goes into 401/Roth and some type of retirement to rebuild what the airline took.

Putting it all in your 401k/ Roth is a good idea, but be careful to not max out your 401k contributions before the end of the year. If you max out before the last paycheck you miss out in the company 401k match. Hate to miss out on the free money!

The pilots don't have a 401k match. They have a defined contribution (every $100 earned, company contributes $16 to their 401k).

Meaning the pilots get Delta’s contribution whether they contribute or not?

Is there a NQDC plan that the pilots are eligible to participate in?

If AA would do a livery like this, i bet the names of the former TWA employees would be written on her belly.

longhauler wrote:

I can certainly understand Delta doing this. Air Canada did the same thing in 2002 and the employees loved it. It really did make one feel a part of the team.

Everyone followed the aircraft to run out and take a picture of their name. The maple leaf was made up of employee names and mine was right behind the left wing, about 10 rows below the windows. (Yes, I took pictures).

Beat me to it! I get sad when I see pictures of this thing because of where it’s ended up. At least I got to fly on it while it was painted like that.

Congratulations to Delta and their awesome employees! Every time I interact with Delta employees, I can immediately tell they have a great degree of pride in their company. They have a lot to be proud of!

longhauler wrote:

I can certainly understand Delta doing this. Air Canada did the same thing in 2002 and the employees loved it. It really did make one feel a part of the team.

Everyone followed the aircraft to run out and take a picture of their name. The maple leaf was made up of employee names and mine was right behind the left wing, about 10 rows below the windows. (Yes, I took pictures).

I have a recollection of the now defunct Canadian doing something similar. But in that situation employees were given markers and actually signed their names on the fuselage while climbing around scaffolding in a hanger (YVR?). I'm pretty sure it was a DC10. Not sure why it happened.

afcjets wrote:

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if an employee who gets fired or even one who doesn't makes an issue of Delta painting their first and last name on an aircraft without their express consent.

You do not own your name. This will not be an issue.

LAXffDUB wrote:

I have a recollection of the now defunct Canadian doing something similar. But in that situation employees were given markers and actually signed their names on the fuselage while climbing around scaffolding in a hanger (YVR?). I'm pretty sure it was a DC10. Not sure why it happened.

It was actually an ad campaign. Some (but not all) employees’ and frequent flyers’, signatures were copied onto the aircraft. (The markers were only in the ad. The signatures were made into decals then applied).



This is the ad .....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6RwJLaPdyyM

I saw her yesterday as I was departing ATL and was wondering why the special decals. Thanks for the timely post.

That's awesome but employees won't really be able to get photos of their name. At least on WN Triple Crown employees can photograph their name on the bins of the A/C.

questions wrote:

reltney wrote:

Don’t get me wrong, I love the airline and my family has been with Delta since the 50s...not a better airline out there. The internal matters are staggering...you should see what they just did...... can’t say due to company policy...shocking...

What??

What do you mean by”internal matters” and “staggering”?

What do you mean “what they just did”? Who is they? Delta? And give us a hint as to what it’s relayed to without giving specifics that’ll get anyone in trouble.

Unable to add more. ALPA has it as a big issue with the company for resolve and they asked not for anyone to comment.

Delta has a webpage that the employee can find their name.

reltney wrote:

questions wrote:

reltney wrote:

Don’t get me wrong, I love the airline and my family has been with Delta since the 50s...not a better airline out there. The internal matters are staggering...you should see what they just did...... can’t say due to company policy...shocking...

What??

What do you mean by”internal matters” and “staggering”?

What do you mean “what they just did”? Who is they? Delta? And give us a hint as to what it’s relayed to without giving specifics that’ll get anyone in trouble.

Unable to add more. ALPA has it as a big issue with the company for resolve and they asked not for anyone to comment.

You are very pro-union. I am very anti-union. But even I have to admit that I feel like all this Profit-Sharing PR (there has been a TON of PR on this this year), and now the plane, and some other things - while great - certainly perked my "yeah, but what's this compensating for." I am not saying there is merit to what you are saying here, but I am also not discounting it either and would not surprise me if something else is coming down the line.

questions wrote:

Cactusjuba wrote:

Dalmd88 wrote:

Putting it all in your 401k/ Roth is a good idea, but be careful to not max out your 401k contributions before the end of the year. If you max out before the last paycheck you miss out in the company 401k match. Hate to miss out on the free money!

The pilots don't have a 401k match. They have a defined contribution (every $100 earned, company contributes $16 to their 401k).

Meaning the pilots get Delta’s contribution whether they contribute or not?

Is there a NQDC plan that the pilots are eligible to participate in?

Yes, no pilot contribution required. The pilots can receive the IRS max limit of $37.5k in company contributions, and if they hit the limit, the 16% company contribution continues to be paid out as additional cash income. On top of that, a pilot can still voluntarily contribute up to $19.5k ($26k >50yrs old). So, a max of $57k a year (or $63k over 50yrs) into the 401k is permissible.

*Note, this is nearly identical to retirement compensation at UA, AA, WN & AS , with UPS & FDX having a greater value with a mix of company contribution and a traditional pension.

Cactusjuba wrote:

questions wrote:

Cactusjuba wrote:

The pilots don't have a 401k match. They have a defined contribution (every $100 earned, company contributes $16 to their 401k).

Meaning the pilots get Delta’s contribution whether they contribute or not?

Is there a NQDC plan that the pilots are eligible to participate in?

Yes, no pilot contribution required. The pilots can receive the IRS max limit of $37.5k in company contributions, and if they hit the limit, the 16% company contribution continues to be paid out as additional cash income. On top of that, a pilot can still voluntarily contribute up to $19.5k ($26k >50yrs old). So, a max of $57k a year (or $63k over 50yrs) into the 401k is permissible.

*Note, this is nearly identical to retirement compensation at UA, AA, WN & AS , with UPS & FDX having a greater value with a mix of company contribution and a traditional pension.

That’s pretty generous by today’s standards.

How does this plan compare to the average rank and file Delta employee, e.g., someone in Finance at HQ?

Rank and file employees get a 3% fixed, and match up to 6%.

This is super awesome of them to do!

questions wrote:

Cactusjuba wrote:

questions wrote:

Meaning the pilots get Delta’s contribution whether they contribute or not?

Is there a NQDC plan that the pilots are eligible to participate in?

Yes, no pilot contribution required. The pilots can receive the IRS max limit of $37.5k in company contributions, and if they hit the limit, the 16% company contribution continues to be paid out as additional cash income. On top of that, a pilot can still voluntarily contribute up to $19.5k ($26k >50yrs old). So, a max of $57k a year (or $63k over 50yrs) into the 401k is permissible.

*Note, this is nearly identical to retirement compensation at UA, AA, WN & AS , with UPS & FDX having a greater value with a mix of company contribution and a traditional pension.

That’s pretty generous by today’s standards.

How does this plan compare to the average rank and file Delta employee, e.g., someone in Finance at HQ?

Delta pilots obviously collectively bargain. Outside of dispatch the other divisions do not. Either way, the comparison of generous is more relevant to the pilot profession and peers at competitors, not fellow employees with different skill-sets.

Cactusjuba wrote:

Delta pilots obviously collectively bargain. Outside of dispatch the other divisions do not. Either way, the comparison of generous is more relevant to the pilot profession and peers at competitors, not fellow employees with different skill-sets.

Was just curious. Ed Bastian’s peer set is not the pilots group, as another example.

Unfortunately this just reeks of profit sharing PR as opposed to a genuine thank you to the employees for their work. Had it been released on a day other than DL Profit Sharing day it probably would feel more sincere.

Boof02671 wrote:

Delta has a webpage that the employee can find their name.

Very cool.

SuseJ772 wrote:

reltney wrote:

questions wrote:

What??

What do you mean by”internal matters” and “staggering”?

What do you mean “what they just did”? Who is they? Delta? And give us a hint as to what it’s relayed to without giving specifics that’ll get anyone in trouble.

Unable to add more. ALPA has it as a big issue with the company for resolve and they asked not for anyone to comment.

You are very pro-union. I am very anti-union. But even I have to admit that I feel like all this Profit-Sharing PR (there has been a TON of PR on this this year), and now the plane, and some other things - while great - certainly perked my "yeah, but what's this compensating for." I am not saying there is merit to what you are saying here, but I am also not discounting it either and would not surprise me if something else is coming down the line.

Wow, actually I am not pro union... funny you think that.. I agree ALPA was needed earlier to get runway lights standardized, pilot rest issues, standard cockpit insturment layouts, sick leave issues but it has turned into more of a labor union. Keep in mind, doctors have the AMA..(wife is. Doctor) and their function is equal to what alpa started as...from association to a union. They have grown old. While I do see the need for the union, I am not a big proponent of alpa today as I know of 150k bar tabs at meetings. Now this recent issue the public might get a taste of if publicized will be eye watering if alpa can’t crush it. I am hoping alpa turns into an association again and fights for safety instead of profits.

EA CO AS wrote:

N983AN wrote:

AS has had this for years:

https://www.airlinereporter.com/2013/10 ... ed-livery/

The AS version had all the employees signatures. Regardless of who did it first, it’s a nice move.

Delta had this 767-200 ( The Spirit of Delta)since 1982.

https://www.deltamuseum.org/exhibits/ex ... t-of-delta

EA CO AS wrote:

Oliver2020 wrote:

Delta had this 767-200 ( The Spirit of Delta)since 1982.

With neither names nor signatures on it, but still cool nonetheless.

I didn't see the signatures until you just mentioned it, that is cool. Sorry but I prefer the red billboard titles on the A321, although
I would like to see red signatures as apposed the the red square. As I do not work for Delta, I hope the employees at Delta are pleased.
To clarify I really like the A321 thank you AC, and I think it's great that companies create special liveries with thank you or some form of appreciation
Their AC.

Just to add I hope those appreciation liveries are permanent.

alasizon wrote:

Unfortunately this just reeks of profit sharing PR as opposed to a genuine thank you to the employees for their work. Had it been released on a day other than DL Profit Sharing day it probably would feel more sincere.

Profit sharing day at Delta is a big day for the employees, particularly for those who suffered through the dark days. Profit sharing day is all about thanking the employees. I don't understand how doing this on a different day would alter the meaning or the message.