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Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:39 pm

The perceived angle is exaggerated by the camera, but still looks absolutely stunning:

https://news.sky.com/video/storm-dennis ... t-11935547
 
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:01 pm

That huge rudder fully deflecting after touchdown ... :shock:

During the storm last week, a video showed the rear view of an A380 landing, the dancing ailerons never cease to amaze me.
 
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:24 pm

mxaxai wrote:
That huge rudder fully deflecting after touchdown ... :shock:

During the storm last week, a video showed the rear view of an A380 landing, the dancing ailerons never cease to amaze me.

Do you have a link to that video?
 
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:31 pm

I have seen 'carbbing' done on a small Cessna, but doing it with a A380, that is off the scale.
 
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:37 pm

SteinarN wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
That huge rudder fully deflecting after touchdown ... :shock:

During the storm last week, a video showed the rear view of an A380 landing, the dancing ailerons never cease to amaze me.

Do you have a link to that video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyE9HnPzyQE
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:38 pm

A QR A330F had a pretty wild landing at LHR too. Strong crosswind gust.

https://youtu.be/PBuy3xkmI5U
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:40 pm

[quote="mxaxai"]That huge rudder fully deflecting after touchdown ... :shock:

During the storm last week, a video showed the rear view of an A380 landing, the dancing ailerons never cease to amaze me.[/quote

Actually they are a bit late as the rudder input should be just before touchdown just before or during the flare would be nice .
 
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Sun Feb 16, 2020 2:49 pm

SteinarN wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
That huge rudder fully deflecting after touchdown ... :shock:

During the storm last week, a video showed the rear view of an A380 landing, the dancing ailerons never cease to amaze me.

Do you have a link to that video?

Was it this one?
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:24 pm

For sheer class this BA 747 in a x-wind at Heathrow is unbeatable. Full marks to Etihad but as has been mentioned above, should have kicked the drift off before touchdown, that would have been a big swerve for the pax and pretty rough on the airframe. This BA landing gets it exactly right, pax would have barely noticed the touchdown (and they keep the nose up after the main gear is on, which helps to slow down by presenting the belly against the airflow, for aerodynamic braking).

https://youtu.be/HmdrYKIDbSQ
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Sun Feb 16, 2020 4:09 pm

I have flown a small plane in strong crosswinds and at first I was kind of scared that the plane would flip over if I didn't land straight, but actually as long as you touch down with the rear wheels first and are headed in the right direction it sort of naturally corrects itself.
 
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:42 pm

Great job. All pilots have this skill or cannot fly for the airlines. The crab on touchdown is necessary after the crosswind exceeds a speed because the wing low method at higher crosswind speeds will cause an engine pod to drag. After 20kts on the 747 you needed a combo of wing low and crab. The side load in the plane and on the gear by landing with massive winds is impressive. For passenger comfort I always do the wing low as much as I can until you need the crab . The 380 vid is a great example of how impressive the side load is. I have been in one during such a landing and I think everyone staring out the runway on the downwind side got their face popped against the window at touch down...too funny..

Holding the nose up (aerobrake) is not as effective as brakes and reverse. I do it on long runways when I have a turnoff at the end and no one behind I would screw over, for a more graceful touchdown and rollout. The romance of the touchdown....

Cheers and great vids? Great job to all.
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:13 pm

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For sheer class this BA 747 in a x-wind at Heathrow is unbeatable. Full marks to Etihad but as has been mentioned above, should have kicked the drift off before touchdown, that would have been a big swerve for the pax and pretty rough on the airframe. This BA landing gets it exactly right, pax would have barely noticed the touchdown (and they keep the nose up after the main gear is on, which helps to slow down by presenting the belly against the airflow, for aerodynamic braking).

https://youtu.be/HmdrYKIDbSQ


Indeed very nice but the Boeing Flight Crew Training Manual specifically states to not keep the nose wheel off the ground as aerodynamic braking is far less effective than wheel braking. More than likely they were managing the crosswind and flying the nose wheel to the ground instead of deliberately keeping it off in an attempt at aerodynamic braking.
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:37 pm

Acey559 wrote:
cedarjet wrote:
For sheer class this BA 747 in a x-wind at Heathrow is unbeatable. Full marks to Etihad but as has been mentioned above, should have kicked the drift off before touchdown, that would have been a big swerve for the pax and pretty rough on the airframe. This BA landing gets it exactly right, pax would have barely noticed the touchdown (and they keep the nose up after the main gear is on, which helps to slow down by presenting the belly against the airflow, for aerodynamic braking).

https://youtu.be/HmdrYKIDbSQ


Indeed very nice but the Boeing Flight Crew Training Manual specifically states to not keep the nose wheel off the ground as aerodynamic braking is far less effective than wheel braking. More than likely they were managing the crosswind and flying the nose wheel to the ground instead of deliberately keeping it off in an attempt at aerodynamic braking.


I concur. I fly an Airbus and my FCOM states the same.
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:41 pm

mxaxai wrote:
SteinarN wrote:
mxaxai wrote:
That huge rudder fully deflecting after touchdown ... :shock:

During the storm last week, a video showed the rear view of an A380 landing, the dancing ailerons never cease to amaze me.

Do you have a link to that video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyE9HnPzyQE
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I could do without the flamboyant commentary.

Also would be nice if the video had titles showing the flight information, like other spotter videos do.

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I have flown a small plane in strong crosswinds and at first I was kind of scared that the plane would flip over if I didn't land straight, but actually as long as you touch down with the rear wheels first and are headed in the right direction it sort of naturally corrects itself.

If you think that's fun, you should try landing on a small strip in a glider with unsteerable undercarriage and no ability to go around. It becomes fun once you get the hang of it, but the first time or two is pretty intense.
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Sun Feb 16, 2020 6:46 pm

The original Sky News link has been updated a couple of times. For a couple of hours they were reporting that the aircraft had exited the runway and gone across the grass, which of course it didn't. It has since been updated.

They did get a hugely valuable quote from Etihad though:

"Etihad confirmed the aircraft had flown from Abu Dhabi to London."
 
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:15 pm

Nothing ruins a great aviation vid like some dumbass screaming in the background. :irked:

But that said, cool catch! LHR looking like BRS.



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A QR A330F had a pretty wild landing at LHR too. Strong crosswind gust.

https://youtu.be/PBuy3xkmI5U

Yikes! I really thought it was going off of the runway on that one! :eek:
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:18 pm

peterinlisbon wrote:
I have flown a small plane in strong crosswinds and at first I was kind of scared that the plane would flip over if I didn't land straight, but actually as long as you touch down with the rear wheels first and are headed in the right direction it sort of naturally corrects itself.

More importantly is to touch down with the upwind wheel first as well
 
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 8:27 pm

I'm going to start referring to this video every time a passenger says - "Meh, these things practically land themselves - right?"
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:07 pm

Hell on the MLG and quite skill from the PF. Quite admirable with such a whale
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:09 pm

The airplane trims itself. Far more impressive in a Boeing.
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:17 pm

From what I hear landing in these winds is easier on the larger frames than on 737/A320 series.
 
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 9:27 pm

That won't do the MLG any favours.
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:02 pm

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From what I hear landing in these winds is easier on the larger frames than on 737/A320 series.

That's my intuition but also something I wanted to ask. Is that true?
Do those big new aircraft, (especially a380 and 748) benefit from design and/or size to behave better in crosswinds?
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:52 am

iberiadc852 wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
From what I hear landing in these winds is easier on the larger frames than on 737/A320 series.

That's my intuition but also something I wanted to ask. Is that true?
Do those big new aircraft, (especially a380 and 748) benefit from design and/or size to behave better in crosswinds?



Think about it. A 20kt gust has less effect on a 600;000 plane than a 120;000 plane. It a matter of weight ratios.... A 5 ounce bird......


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Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:54 am

Flew on BHD-LHR yesterday in the winds and it was pretty brutal. First attempt we flared but pilot immediately performed a go around . Landed on the second attempt.
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:34 am

reltney wrote:
iberiadc852 wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
From what I hear landing in these winds is easier on the larger frames than on 737/A320 series.

That's my intuition but also something I wanted to ask. Is that true?
Do those big new aircraft, (especially a380 and 748) benefit from design and/or size to behave better in crosswinds?



Think about it. A 20kt gust has less effect on a 600;000 plane than a 120;000 plane. It a matter of weight ratios.... A 5 ounce bird......


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Except the larger aircraft also have more surface area for the wind to push.
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:04 am

jetblueguy22 wrote:
reltney wrote:
iberiadc852 wrote:
That's my intuition but also something I wanted to ask. Is that true?
Do those big new aircraft, (especially a380 and 748) benefit from design and/or size to behave better in crosswinds?



Think about it. A 20kt gust has less effect on a 600;000 plane than a 120;000 plane. It a matter of weight ratios.... A 5 ounce bird......


Cheers

Except the larger aircraft also have more surface area for the wind to push.

That's what I thought. Still the wind has more surface to cover in a bigger aircraft so maybe that helps it. But what is the general knowledge about that?
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:36 am

Admire the skill? Sorry guys, but I’m not impressed. A lot of the control movements he’s making make no sense to me; he’s literally pushing the rudder the wrong way in the flare...
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:18 am

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For sheer class this BA 747 in a x-wind at Heathrow is unbeatable. Full marks to Etihad but as has been mentioned above, should have kicked the drift off before touchdown, that would have been a big swerve for the pax and pretty rough on the airframe. This BA landing gets it exactly right, pax would have barely noticed the touchdown (and they keep the nose up after the main gear is on, which helps to slow down by presenting the belly against the airflow, for aerodynamic braking).

https://youtu.be/HmdrYKIDbSQ



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Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:24 am

"Admire the skill" ... landing an airplane in a crab. Honestly, it's not very hard to land an airplane while its still angled into the wind. I always LOL every time I see these posts. The real skill is by pilots landing a plane that CANNOT be landed/side loaded in a crab!
 
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Admire the skill? Sorry guys, but I’m not impressed.

There's always one. :roll:
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:41 am

The landing gear is designed to land with the crab at max x-wind and max landing weight. That's how they do it when they demonstrate the x-wind limits. There's a cool video of the 777 prototype doing just that online somewhere.

With those kinds of winds, it's actually a good idea to leave the crab in as decrabbing induces the risk of being blown to the edge of the runway pretty quickly in case of a slightly long flare.
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 6:42 am

Yes I love it when the ELACs, SECs, and FACs are all working happily together.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:22 am

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For sheer class this BA 747 in a x-wind at Heathrow is unbeatable. Full marks to Etihad but as has been mentioned above, should have kicked the drift off before touchdown, that would have been a big swerve for the pax and pretty rough on the airframe. This BA landing gets it exactly right, pax would have barely noticed the touchdown


Wrong.

Airliner Landing Gear is designed to touchdown in a crab. Kick off the drift and you immediately drift off centre line. Even a tiny 1-2 second float will put you off centreline.

It’s like those who hold off on the flare for a smooth touchdown and float outside of the touchdown zone. Passengers love it, the airline training department won’t.

In gusty conditions it’s imperative to get the aircraft MLG in positive contact with the runway on centreline, not necessarily aligned with the runway.

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Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:41 am

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"Admire the skill" ... landing an airplane in a crab. Honestly, it's not very hard to land an airplane while its still angled into the wind. I always LOL every time I see these posts. The real skill is by pilots landing a plane that CANNOT be landed/side loaded in a crab!


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Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:40 am

I am not a pilot but have access to a Level D Full Flight Sim. I was doing 37kt gusting crosswinds last night on an A320 sim, just for fun. I was really wondering about what is the right technique. I understand the crabbing on approach, the banking into the wind etc. However, always when I decrab I end up next to the runway! It just floats like it is nothing.

So you need a positive touchdown followed by decrab or should you align yourself to the opposite side of the centreline, decrab during flare and then land exactly on the centerline? It seems the forces on the landing gear will be extraordinary.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:54 am

Am I the only one noting that the guy filming was trespassing where he really shouldn't have been?
 
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Am I the only one noting that the guy filming was trespassing where he really shouldn't have been?


With a barbed wire fence between him and the aircraft?
 
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Am I the only one noting that the guy filming was trespassing where he really shouldn't have been?



Especially with a road and a barbed wire fence between him and the airport I would say yes, you are the only one who got it wrong. Lets keep this one in mind for post of the year...
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:04 pm

rbavfan wrote:
From what I hear landing in these winds is easier on the larger frames than on 737/A320 series.


Essentially correct. If you look at how much the wind can accelerate the aircraft, acceleration = (wind pressure*area)/mass. Having a larger mass means less acceleration for the same wind speed as the side surface area is not proportional to mass.

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Admire the skill? Sorry guys, but I’m not impressed. A lot of the control movements he’s making make no sense to me; he’s literally pushing the rudder the wrong way in the flare...


The control movements you are seeing is probably the FBW taking care of the upwind engine tendency to produce more thrust than the downwind engines. That in turn causes yaw and roll. In the flare the FBW keeps the wings stable, aligning the aircraft with the runway will not cause a secondary roll as the upwind wing is accelerated in yaw.

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was really wondering about what is the right technique.


The key to a crosswind landing is not to align the aircraft with the runway too fast. On the A320, at 50 ft move your eyes to around 2/3 down the runway and start adding some back pressure, 30’, flare (should go from around the 4 degree final pitch attitude to around 6 degrees), smoothly close the thrust levers, slowly squeeze the rudder in, and the smallest amount of into wind roll to stop drifting across the runway.

As you have no one to correctly demonstrate the technique, do a few autolands at 40 knots (put in NO in the DH field on the PERF APP page). At 350’ you should see it have a boxed green LAND, and then close to the runway you should see a FLARE and ROLLOUT, watch it flare, watch it reduce thrust on the EWD (before it says retard), and align itself with the runway. It does it smoothly and slowly. Once the aircraft main wheels are on the runway, select reverse, the autopilot will derotate the nose wheel onto the runway centre line, press the red autopilot disconnect on the side stick and maintain centre line with rudder as you bring the aircraft to a stop.

Once you have seen it autoland a few times, try and replicate what the autopilot does. With practice it will feel like time slows down and the control inputs become intuitive. Don’t be afraid to try an autoland again to get the correct picture outside again.

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Am I the only one noting that the guy filming was trespassing where he really shouldn't have been?


Isn’t the fence there to keep the dangerous aircraft in ?
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:05 pm

Tristarsteve wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Am I the only one noting that the guy filming was trespassing where he really shouldn't have been?


With a barbed wire fence between him and the aircraft?

He's up on the nature reserve on HAL land that's not open to the public.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:07 pm

crownvic wrote:
skipness1E wrote:
Am I the only one noting that the guy filming was trespassing where he really shouldn't have been?



Especially with a road and a barbed wire fence between him and the airport I would say yes, you are the only one who got it wrong. Lets keep this one in mind for post of the year...

I know where he is to get these over the fence shots, and it's not open to the public, there's one way in for vehicles that you can duck under the barrier,but the land is most certainly fenced off from public access. I assume you're familiar with the T5 locale and knew that? Anyone found there will be moved on by either Police or HAL Security. One assumes they were all indoors hiding from the weather on this occasion, OR they've recently given up and turning a blind eye.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:18 pm

Big Jet TV is primarily a live stream plane spotting channel. I think the edited highlights was a way for them to make extra money as many TV stations were requesting to use their footage.

IIRC, the spotting location in the video is private properly but they have permission (and the keys to the locked gates) to use it.

I am not a regular viewer of this channel - so my information may be incomplete.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:20 pm

flutter wrote:
I am not a pilot but have access to a Level D Full Flight Sim. I was doing 37kt gusting crosswinds last night on an A320 sim, just for fun. I was really wondering about what is the right technique. I understand the crabbing on approach, the banking into the wind etc. However, always when I decrab I end up next to the runway! It just floats like it is nothing.

So you need a positive touchdown followed by decrab or should you align yourself to the opposite side of the centreline, decrab during flare and then land exactly on the centerline? It seems the forces on the landing gear will be extraordinary.


Decrab around 30-50ft and very slightly lower the upwind wing and flare at the same time.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:27 pm

40kts of crosswind and A320 autoland. Hmm
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:33 pm

1. Aerodynamic braking is banned at my airline. You really shouldnt be doing this in an airliner IMO. Getting the nose wheel on the ground is the primary way to gain controllability on the runway surface

2. The myth of the engine touching the ground is just that...a myth. The planes certified max crosswind takes this into account. And, on most airplanes (if not all) you will scrape the wing tip before the engine hits

3. I dont know the correct procedure for flying a crosswind landing in a 380, but in the 321 that I fly, this is called a side-load landing. Perfectly acceptable (though not preferred) in an airliner. You dont want to mess with a wing low method in a swept wing plane, but you do want to kick the rudder to straighten the nose just prior to landing.

The pilot on the video essentially flew it into the ground...safe enough on a tough day
 
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:35 pm

n6238p wrote:
40kts of crosswind and A320 autoland. Hmm


The simulator will happily do it, and more.
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:49 pm

What’s the autoland crosswind limitation of a 320? What’s the max demonstrated limitation?

I can do a lot of things in the sim that don’t work in real life.
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Mon Feb 17, 2020 12:55 pm

n6238p wrote:
What’s the autoland crosswind limitation of a 320? What’s the max demonstrated limitation?

I can do a lot of things in the sim that don’t work in real life.


I want to say the limit is 17kts for autoland, I don’t have the book in front of me. More than double that (38kts) for max demonstrated.
 
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Re: Admire the skill. EY A380 strong crosswind landing at LHR

Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:00 pm

reltney wrote:


Holding the nose up (aerobrake) is not as effective as brakes and reverse. I do it on long runways when I have a turnoff at the end and no one behind I would screw over, for a more graceful touchdown and rollout. The romance of the touchdown....



Aerodynamic braking was stricktly forbidden om my airline(s), because with an (4 engined - outboard) engine failure you are always too late to control your aircraft. The effectivity of the rudder decreases very fast with declining airspeed.
Some ex airforce pilots (nearly) lost their jobs after aerodynamic breaking was noticed by the chief pilot.
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