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upperdeckfan
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Re: TP new routes, rumors.

Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:05 pm

Wednesdayite wrote:
Still hoping for DEN at some point.

DEN has no Iberian destinations so a star hub at LIS would be a great gateway.


Keep hoping but be patient, extremely slim chance to see either UA or TP linking LIS and DEN.

DEN only sustain year-round service to the largest european gateways (LHR and FRA) and even Sky hasn't seen potential for a CDG or AMS link.
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AF022
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Re: TP new routes, rumors.

Thu Feb 20, 2020 7:04 pm

Thibault973 wrote:
alexdelzotto wrote:
If BEY is timed perfectly to connect with the YUL flight, that arrangement could be very successful.


Well I've flown Paris-Lisbon-Abidjan twice. All 4 ABJ-LIS legs were less than 1/4 full with virtually all passengers coming/goin from/to Paris. Tickets were a 1/5 of what AF and SS charged for the direct flight. Don't know if I would call that "very successful".


TAP probably doesn't need to carry that many passengers to cover the costs of operating a flight at night with an A320, but 25% load factor can't possibly be covering costs. They have a very extensive network in West Africa. Are they doing well on any route in the region?
 
airbazar
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Re: TP new routes, rumors.

Thu Feb 20, 2020 9:46 pm

CUN, MCO, CPT strikes me as an interesting idea to keep the very new and very expensive A339 fleet working and generating revenue during the northern Winter months when some of them would otherwise be parked. Those routes would probably see only a 1x or 2x weekly frequencies. Morocco is very popular with the Portuguese so adding Agadir is probably a low risk venture.
 
Thibault973
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Re: TP new routes, rumors.

Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:08 am

AF022 wrote:
Thibault973 wrote:
alexdelzotto wrote:
If BEY is timed perfectly to connect with the YUL flight, that arrangement could be very successful.


Well I've flown Paris-Lisbon-Abidjan twice. All 4 ABJ-LIS legs were less than 1/4 full with virtually all passengers coming/goin from/to Paris. Tickets were a 1/5 of what AF and SS charged for the direct flight. Don't know if I would call that "very successful".


TAP probably doesn't need to carry that many passengers to cover the costs of operating a flight at night with an A320, but 25% load factor can't possibly be covering costs. They have a very extensive network in West Africa. Are they doing well on any route in the region?


I don't know if they are doing well but their yields must be trash. They are constantly the cheapest option out of Paris to West Africa. You can get tickets in 2 weeks to ABJ for as low as 213 euros return. Next cheapest 1 stop option it AT via CMN at 487 euros when AF charges 567e for the direct flight.

Same with flights to Brazil. I flew ORY-LIS-NAT then FOR-LIS-ORY for 379e last december and scored the same ticket for 329e in August which is the peak holiday month for us in France.
 
qm001
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Re: TP new routes, rumors.

Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:22 pm

aldrigsomandre wrote:
Toinou wrote:
And, Isn't there a Portuguese population in the Cape region?


Correct. Quite sizable population.


Ermmm, no, in the Cape, VERY small! In JNB, however, there is one of the largest Portuguese populations on the continent.
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brightcedars
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Re: TP new routes, rumors.

Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:55 pm

BEY is a good addition! at just over 4000 km It will be close to 5 h in the air, guess they'll be using the Neo for this. Do they have PTV on those?
It will sure be a success if well timed for connections with Latin America. Usually MEA has an edge here because they leave BEY early to meet the TATL plane at e.g. CDG, FRA, LHR or MAD and collect the morning arrivals to take them back to Beirut. TP will not have this comfort unless they have two waves to most relevant destinations or expect stopover overnights.

On your typical BEY-GRU routing LIS adds 11% to the route while the current track via the Gulf hubs adds 33%. Still TK via IST is under 8%.

Too bad the Lebanese economy is crumbling to pieces these days. Good luck!

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