LX has no PE.
keesje wrote:A seat less per row on the 777 and 787 seems a requirement.
Recline / knees are better, but way too narrow / shoulder rubbing / aisle bumping for any kind of "premium" qualification.
There must be pressure from FF's corporate accounts indications this isn't acceptable / competitive.
By given up a seat per row you "throw away" 5-6 revenue seats per aircraft.
The $$ loss/yr ends up in the business case, together with the C-class passengers downgrading to an acepatble M+ seat.
I avoided KLM since pitch optimizations / 10 abreast 777s and crampy 787s.
And I'm even not entirely innocent.
Insertnamehere wrote:However, hopefully KLM doesn’t use AF(and aeroflot’s which are putting new ones in their A350) seats which are incredibly uncomfortable and have some of the flimsiest tables.
usdcaguy wrote:I have yet to see a premium economy worth anywhere near the $1,000+ premium one would personally pay.
keesje wrote:The $$ loss/yr ends up in the business case, together with the C-class passengers downgrading to an acepatble M+ seat.
Insertnamehere wrote:I’m happy to see this become a trend and I can’t wait for airlines like Delta to roll them out across their entire fleet.
DL747400 wrote:KLM adding a proper PE is a logical evolution and will make it easier to sell the DL/KL/AF/VS transatlantic JV with a fully aligned product portfolio across the group.Insertnamehere wrote:I’m happy to see this become a trend and I can’t wait for airlines like Delta to roll them out across their entire fleet.
DELTA is already in the process of progressively deploying PE throughout their entire INTL long haul fleet, but don't expect them to do so on the DOM fleet. There is no need for PE in DOM markets with Comfort+ already in place and selling very well. I do not recall that DELTA has ever indicated that they were (are) even considering the addition of PE to the DOM fleet, or replacing DOM Comfort+ with PE.
An exception would be if DELTA someday created a small A321 subfleet dedicated to transcons similar to AA, but not holding my breath on that.
cityshuttle wrote:Let’s just hope that they are not using those horrible PE seats from AF ... can’t really sleep in those seats.
aemoreira1981 wrote:KLM should keep Y+ while adding W. This could also result in more revenue as well with fewer seats. That Y aisle is super cramped since KLM chose 17.5” width while still going 10 abreast.
FlyRow wrote:aemoreira1981 wrote:KLM should keep Y+ while adding W. This could also result in more revenue as well with fewer seats. That Y aisle is super cramped since KLM chose 17.5” width while still going 10 abreast.
They will: https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/categorie/2/airlines/klm-economy-comfort-blijft-in-stand-na-introductie-premium-economy?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter (in Dutch).
Some talk about direct-aisle business class in the 777, but elbers says "not now".
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