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AeroMexico 787 in HNL

Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:35 am

AM has one of their 787's (N966AM) sitting in Honolulu after arriving from Narita yesterday. The flight history shows this aircraft operating AM90 from MEX to ICN where it sat for 3 days before operating AM9870 to NRT and then continuing to HNL.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N966AM/history/20200219/2249Z/RJAA/PHNL

I'm assuming its some kind of ferry flight, but why the stop in NRT and HNL as the aircraft is more than able to make it back to MEX.

Definitely a rare bird for HNL as I cant recall ever seeing AM in HNL. Any thoughts?
 
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Re: AeroMexico 787 in HNL

Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:43 am

Confirmed by FlightRadar24:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n966am

Is that a first-time visit by AeroMexico? Or at least an AM 787?
 
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Re: AeroMexico 787 in HNL

Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:51 am

The AM 9XXX flight # corresponds to a not scheduled flight, such as a ferry, etc.
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Re: AeroMexico 787 in HNL

Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:59 am

Wow, quite surprised that they can fly MEX-ICN direct, given that MEX is a high altitude airport, usually AM´s asian flights do a stop-over in Tijuana before continuing to Asia (NRT, PEK, etc)

Not implying that the 787 doesn´t have the legs, obviously it does just curious.

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Re: AeroMexico 787 in HNL

Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:13 am

I wonder if it's anything to do with repatriating Diamond Princess passengers.
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Re: AeroMexico 787 in HNL

Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:17 am

MIAspotter wrote:
Wow, quite surprised that they can fly MEX-ICN direct, given that MEX is a high altitude airport, usually AM´s asian flights do a stop-over in Tijuana before continuing to Asia (NRT, PEK, etc)

Not implying that the 787 doesn´t have the legs, obviously it does just curious.

MIAspotter.

They've been doing NRT non-stop since 762ER days and ICN has also been moved to non-stop a while ago. PVG was really the only one that continued doing TIJ stops until the cessation of the route.

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Re: AeroMexico 787 in HNL

Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:59 pm

MIAspotter wrote:
Wow, quite surprised that they can fly MEX-ICN direct, given that MEX is a high altitude airport, usually AM´s asian flights do a stop-over in Tijuana before continuing to Asia (NRT, PEK, etc)

Not implying that the 787 doesn´t have the legs, obviously it does just curious.

MIAspotter.


It would be logical to assume they use a -9 for that route, given the ST to ST hub. That would have a typical range of well over 1000nm greater than the requirement, which probably means it can depart even MEX unrestricted, so long as it can clear the fence.

However, if they were to use an 8, it should still be able to more than handle the route as well.

Only the -10, which they do not have, would really be at the edge of its range abilities. And that one would have payload range issues even from TIJ.

The TIJ stop, when it was still a thing for PVG, was likely there because it made them money and was on the way without causing noticeable trip length increases.
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Re: AeroMexico 787 in HNL

Fri Feb 21, 2020 2:08 pm

hnl808 wrote:
AM has one of their 787's (N966AM) sitting in Honolulu after arriving from Narita yesterday. The flight history shows this aircraft operating AM90 from MEX to ICN where it sat for 3 days before operating AM9870 to NRT and then continuing to HNL.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N966AM/history/20200219/2249Z/RJAA/PHNL

I'm assuming its some kind of ferry flight, but why the stop in NRT and HNL as the aircraft is more than able to make it back to MEX.

Definitely a rare bird for HNL as I cant recall ever seeing AM in HNL. Any thoughts?


Maybe the crew wanted to get Lei'd. :duck:
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Re: AeroMexico 787 in HNL

Fri Feb 21, 2020 7:17 pm

AM generally uses their 787-8 rather than their -9 in Asian routes as the -9 are better suited to European routes with more passengers.

Another factor is that despite of the fact that taking off at sea level the -9 has a longer range than the -8 due to its higher MTOW, in MEX (elevation of 7300 feet) this comparison is no longer valid as neither model can takeoff anywhere close to MTOW. Therefore the lower weight of the -8 actually results in in a better range compared to the -9 in this marginal case of a very-high & somewhat-hot airport.

Regarding this ferry flight I think it's a little odd that AM couldn't repair N966AM in ICN or ferry it directly to MEX or to a MRO in mainland US as if the problem is with a system that degrades its ETOPS rating crossing from HNL to the continent requires ETOPS180 while a transpacific crossing can be done with ETOPS120. However it would make perfect sense if the problem is with a fuel tank or if AM plans to repair it in HNL.
 
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Re: AeroMexico 787 in HNL

Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:16 pm

I'm sitting next to her in HNL right now at G9. She had been here for at least the last 3 days with no sign of any issue, or any work being performed. Strange indeed.

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Re: AeroMexico 787 in HNL

Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:29 pm

KrustyTheKlown wrote:
AM generally uses their 787-8 rather than their -9 in Asian routes as the -9 are better suited to European routes with more passengers.

Another factor is that despite of the fact that taking off at sea level the -9 has a longer range than the -8 due to its higher MTOW, in MEX (elevation of 7300 feet) this comparison is no longer valid as neither model can takeoff anywhere close to MTOW. Therefore the lower weight of the -8 actually results in in a better range compared to the -9 in this marginal case of a very-high & somewhat-hot airport.

Regarding this ferry flight I think it's a little odd that AM couldn't repair N966AM in ICN or ferry it directly to MEX or to a MRO in mainland US as if the problem is with a system that degrades its ETOPS rating crossing from HNL to the continent requires ETOPS180 while a transpacific crossing can be done with ETOPS120. However it would make perfect sense if the problem is with a fuel tank or if AM plans to repair it in HNL.
Nobody said anything about a repair. This is probably just a simple charter flight. Nothing to be concerned about.
 
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Re: AeroMexico 787 in HNL

Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:45 am

I can confirm thru a couple of reliable sources that it was not a charter nor flight as there were only crew on-board the inbound and outbound flights.

Aircraft is currently enroute to MEX from HNL as AM9870

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N966AM/history/20200221/2237Z/PHNL/MMMX
 
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Re: AeroMexico 787 in HNL

Sat Feb 22, 2020 5:32 pm

It took an interesting routing to MEX too, heading to San Diego first and then turning south direct to MEX immediately after crossing the coast.

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