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British Airways 787-10

Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:39 pm

Hi guys and girls,

BA’s first 787-10 was due to be delivered to LHR today (February 21st) but for some reason it isn’t.

Anybody know why it’s been delayed?

First destination Atlanta has been delayed from March 10th to later in the month

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Fri Feb 21, 2020 4:52 pm

Shoddy interior quality, isn't it?
 
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 5:29 pm

CarbonFibre wrote:
Shoddy interior quality, isn't it?


Got a source to back that up?
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 6:00 pm

garpd wrote:
CarbonFibre wrote:
Shoddy interior quality, isn't it?


Got a source to back that up?


I've heard that said anecdotally several times too. Back in 2013, when BA received their first 787-8, I was invited onboard for some publicity video shots, there was a man on his hands and knees inspecting the fittings and carpets and making notes about changes required. I guess it's still an issue now ?
 
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:19 pm

Danhill1905 wrote:

First destination Atlanta has been delayed from March 10th to later in the month

Daniel Hill


Will it do some European crew training flights b4, like MAD?
 
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Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:30 pm

debonair wrote:
Danhill1905 wrote:

First destination Atlanta has been delayed from March 10th to later in the month

Daniel Hill


Will it do some European crew training flights b4, like MAD?

I would be extremely surprised. It’s just a 787 with slightly different performance, smoothed over by the FMCs. Identical cockpit, procedures, handling (pretty much), the works. I bet there weren’t short range training flights upon the introduction of the -9...?
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:04 am

There's a video regarding the 787-10 delay at BA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlOYbMyArjs
 
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:54 am

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There's a video regarding the 787-10 delay at BA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlOYbMyArjs


Which really doesn't tell us anything we don't already know.
 
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:57 am

cedarjet wrote:
debonair wrote:
Danhill1905 wrote:

First destination Atlanta has been delayed from March 10th to later in the month

Daniel Hill


Will it do some European crew training flights b4, like MAD?

I would be extremely surprised. It’s just a 787 with slightly different performance, smoothed over by the FMCs. Identical cockpit, procedures, handling (pretty much), the works. I bet there weren’t short range training flights upon the introduction of the -9...?


The 787-9 had no training flights as you thought. The 787-10 won’t either
 
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Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:07 pm

Just out of curiosity, why did BA opt to have an F cabin on the B787-10 and the B787-9 and not on the A35K?
 
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Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:09 pm

J343 wrote:
Just out of curiosity, why did BA opt to have an F cabin on the B787-10 and the B787-9 and not on the A35K?

A35K was for mid-j 747s/routes that have seen a slight dip in premium demand so it made more sense to use the space for more business seats than install a first. The 787-10 on the other hand will serve routes that have first demand and are high premium. With the -9 I really don’t know. I think they will be refurbished to a non first class configuration but that’s just pure speculation on my part
 
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Wed Mar 04, 2020 6:42 pm

Opus99 wrote:
J343 wrote:
Just out of curiosity, why did BA opt to have an F cabin on the B787-10 and the B787-9 and not on the A35K?

A35K was for mid-j 747s/routes that have seen a slight dip in premium demand so it made more sense to use the space for more business seats than install a first. The 787-10 on the other hand will serve routes that have first demand and are high premium. With the -9 I really don’t know. I think they will be refurbished to a non first class configuration but that’s just pure speculation on my part


That’s interesting. Thank you for that information! I would have thought it would be the other way around since the A35K offers more space.
 
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Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:26 am

J343 wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
J343 wrote:
Just out of curiosity, why did BA opt to have an F cabin on the B787-10 and the B787-9 and not on the A35K?

A35K was for mid-j 747s/routes that have seen a slight dip in premium demand so it made more sense to use the space for more business seats than install a first. The 787-10 on the other hand will serve routes that have first demand and are high premium. With the -9 I really don’t know. I think they will be refurbished to a non first class configuration but that’s just pure speculation on my part


That’s interesting. Thank you for that information! I would have thought it would be the other way around since the A35K offers more space.

The A35K is much closer in size to the 744, in payload, space, everything, and the seats 336 for the 35k and 337 for the 744 I think so fair trade. the 77w will be the ultra high J aircraft. The 78X Will be the same thing. and I agree with the -8's and -9's. No route for BA really requires the range and small size of -9, higher Y seems right.
 
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Mon Jun 01, 2020 2:32 am

J343 wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
J343 wrote:
Just out of curiosity, why did BA opt to have an F cabin on the B787-10 and the B787-9 and not on the A35K?

A35K was for mid-j 747s/routes that have seen a slight dip in premium demand so it made more sense to use the space for more business seats than install a first. The 787-10 on the other hand will serve routes that have first demand and are high premium. With the -9 I really don’t know. I think they will be refurbished to a non first class configuration but that’s just pure speculation on my part


That’s interesting. Thank you for that information! I would have thought it would be the other way around since the A35K offers more space.


It does, but it depends on the purpose. The 78J will replace the hi J 744s to JFK, for example, where there is lots of premium demand and it is a relatively short flight.

The a35K is a great airplane, however it is large and optimized for longer routes.
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Fri Jun 12, 2020 12:32 pm

G-ZBLA arrival now rescheduled for 18th June apparently. It has to come at this point because BAs updated July schedule has it operating Atlanta from 1st July.

https://twitter.com/mzulqarnainbut1/sta ... 43616?s=21
 
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Sat Jun 13, 2020 4:13 am

Opus99 wrote:
J343 wrote:
Just out of curiosity, why did BA opt to have an F cabin on the B787-10 and the B787-9 and not on the A35K?

A35K was for mid-j 747s/routes that have seen a slight dip in premium demand so it made more sense to use the space for more business seats than install a first. The 787-10 on the other hand will serve routes that have first demand and are high premium. With the -9 I really don’t know. I think they will be refurbished to a non first class configuration but that’s just pure speculation on my part


BA won't take F out of the -9s. That is what they have the -8 for - to cater for higher J loads without a F demand and that doesn't need the capacity of the 35K. ICN is a perfect example.

Besides, 8F is the future for F at BA (except the 77W/779/388) as it works quite well.
 
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Sat Jun 13, 2020 6:29 am

Nightmareliner wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
J343 wrote:
Just out of curiosity, why did BA opt to have an F cabin on the B787-10 and the B787-9 and not on the A35K?

A35K was for mid-j 747s/routes that have seen a slight dip in premium demand so it made more sense to use the space for more business seats than install a first. The 787-10 on the other hand will serve routes that have first demand and are high premium. With the -9 I really don’t know. I think they will be refurbished to a non first class configuration but that’s just pure speculation on my part


BA won't take F out of the -9s. That is what they have the -8 for - to cater for higher J loads without a F demand and that doesn't need the capacity of the 35K. ICN is a perfect example.

Besides, 8F is the future for F at BA (except the 77W/779/388) as it works quite well.

The 77W is being refurbed to 8F and the 779 is coming with 8F.
 
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Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:53 am

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It does, but it depends on the purpose. The 78J will replace the hi J 744s to JFK, for example, where there is lots of premium demand and it is a relatively short flight.

The a35K is a great airplane, however it is large and optimized for longer routes.


I am not so sure on your statement that 78J will replace High-J B744.

78J currently have a config of 8F48J35W154Y. The total premium seat is 56.
High-J B744 is 14F86J30W145Y. The total premium seat is 100.

That is 44% less in premium seats. 78J is premium heavy compare with other 78J airlines. But I could not get my own head around to see how it can be used to replace high-J B744.
 
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Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:21 am

chonetsao wrote:
Antarius wrote:
It does, but it depends on the purpose. The 78J will replace the hi J 744s to JFK, for example, where there is lots of premium demand and it is a relatively short flight.

The a35K is a great airplane, however it is large and optimized for longer routes.


I am not so sure on your statement that 78J will replace High-J B744.

78J currently have a config of 8F48J35W154Y. The total premium seat is 56.
High-J B744 is 14F86J30W145Y. The total premium seat is 100.

That is 44% less in premium seats. 78J is premium heavy compare with other 78J airlines. But I could not get my own head around to see how it can be used to replace high-J B744.


The 77W at BA is the intended replacement aircraft for the high-j 74's. The new refurbished config for the 77W is 8F/76J/40W/130Y. See https://pointmetotheplane.boardingarea.com/british-airways-massive-club-world-suite-cabin/
 
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33025aw wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
Antarius wrote:
It does, but it depends on the purpose. The 78J will replace the hi J 744s to JFK, for example, where there is lots of premium demand and it is a relatively short flight.

The a35K is a great airplane, however it is large and optimized for longer routes.


I am not so sure on your statement that 78J will replace High-J B744.

78J currently have a config of 8F48J35W154Y. The total premium seat is 56.
High-J B744 is 14F86J30W145Y. The total premium seat is 100.

That is 44% less in premium seats. 78J is premium heavy compare with other 78J airlines. But I could not get my own head around to see how it can be used to replace high-J B744.


The 77W at BA is the intended replacement aircraft for the high-j 74's. The new refurbished config for the 77W is 8F/76J/40W/130Y. See https://pointmetotheplane.boardingarea.com/british-airways-massive-club-world-suite-cabin/


Thanks. That is what I thought as well.
 
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Sat Jun 13, 2020 10:23 pm

chonetsao wrote:
78J will replace

78J currently have

78J is premium heavy compare with other 78J airlines.

Just as a tangential fyi, there's no such thing as a "78J"

The IATA/ICAO codes for 787-10 are respectively "781" and "B78X".
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Opus99 wrote:
G-ZBLA arrival now rescheduled for 18th June apparently. It has to come at this point because BAs updated July schedule has it operating Atlanta from 1st July.

https://twitter.com/mzulqarnainbut1/sta ... 43616?s=21


Delivery this week has been cancelled.

https://twitter.com/mzulqarnainbut1/sta ... 92897?s=21
 
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Ishrion wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
G-ZBLA arrival now rescheduled for 18th June apparently. It has to come at this point because BAs updated July schedule has it operating Atlanta from 1st July.

https://twitter.com/mzulqarnainbut1/sta ... 43616?s=21


Delivery this week has been cancelled.

https://twitter.com/mzulqarnainbut1/sta ... 92897?s=21


At this point, I not gonna believe any date until I see the thing in the air crossing the pond.
 
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What’s causing these repeated delays?
 
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Wed Jun 17, 2020 8:36 am

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What’s causing these repeated delays?

No official answer. This is however the first Charleston-built 787 that has been produced for BA. Although they have plenty of 788s and 789s, and seem happy with them apart from the usual RR engine issues, all of them were made in Renton. EDITED to say I should have said Everett.
So really, either they are being deliberately picky to defer making those final payments on the plane, which they weren't with Airbuses also delivered during the pandemic, or there is a genuine build or fit out quality issue on this specific plane.

I remember that KLM did something similar when they were about to take delivery of their first Charleston built 787 after a run of Renton-built (sorry, Everett built) ones. It may be simply a matter of the factory coming to terms with what an individual airline regards as particularly significant and making sure planes for that airline are not put forward for delivery until they are going to be acceptable.
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, and seem happy with them apart from the usual RR engine issues, all of them were made in Renton.



Not be 'that guy', but it is Everett. The Renton lines produce only narrow bodies.
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, and seem happy with them apart from the usual RR engine issues, all of them were made in Renton.



Not be 'that guy', but it is Everett. The Renton lines produce only narrow bodies.


You're right, of course. Corrected now.
 
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What’s causing these repeated delays?


I’ve heard it’s Covid-19 related for last 3 months in terms of getting BA pilots to Charleston to pick her up. Current US flights either have 2 crews onboard for a straight back return or crews overnight in an airport hotel “on-site” as such. Travelling to Charleston means travelling on US soil which either the crews, BA or the UK/US government’s are hesitant about.
 
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https://twitter.com/mzulqarnainbut1/sta ... 16321?s=21

July 18th delivery scheduled.

For like the 10th time...
 
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Andy33 wrote:
airsmiles wrote:
What’s causing these repeated delays?

No official answer. This is however the first Charleston-built 787 that has been produced for BA. Although they have plenty of 788s and 789s, and seem happy with them apart from the usual RR engine issues, all of them were made in Renton. EDITED to say I should have said Everett.
So really, either they are being deliberately picky to defer making those final payments on the plane, which they weren't with Airbuses also delivered during the pandemic, or there is a genuine build or fit out quality issue on this specific plane.

I remember that KLM did something similar when they were about to take delivery of their first Charleston built 787 after a run of Renton-built (sorry, Everett built) ones. It may be simply a matter of the factory coming to terms with what an individual airline regards as particularly significant and making sure planes for that airline are not put forward for delivery until they are going to be acceptable.


787-10s can ONLY be made in Charleston. They are NOT made in Everett.
 
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kaitak744 wrote:
Andy33 wrote:
airsmiles wrote:
What’s causing these repeated delays?

No official answer. This is however the first Charleston-built 787 that has been produced for BA. Although they have plenty of 788s and 789s, and seem happy with them apart from the usual RR engine issues, all of them were made in Renton. EDITED to say I should have said Everett.
So really, either they are being deliberately picky to defer making those final payments on the plane, which they weren't with Airbuses also delivered during the pandemic, or there is a genuine build or fit out quality issue on this specific plane.

I remember that KLM did something similar when they were about to take delivery of their first Charleston built 787 after a run of Renton-built (sorry, Everett built) ones. It may be simply a matter of the factory coming to terms with what an individual airline regards as particularly significant and making sure planes for that airline are not put forward for delivery until they are going to be acceptable.


787-10s can ONLY be made in Charleston. They are NOT made in Everett.


Yes, I think most people here know that. 789s can be made at either plant, but I believe all 788s come from Everett, and all the 30 787s so far delivered to BA have been assembled at Everett. The plane we're discussing is both the first BA 787-10 and the first plane for them to be assembled in Charleston
 
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Opus99 wrote:
https://twitter.com/mzulqarnainbut1/status/1275463802105016321?s=21

July 18th delivery scheduled.

For like the 10th time...


I wouldn’t be surprised if this frame never gets delivered to BA at this rate.
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So really, either they are being deliberately picky to defer making those final payments on the plane, which they weren't with Airbuses also delivered during the pandemic, or there is a genuine build or fit out quality issue on this specific plane.



BA has really only taken delivery of one A350 during the pandemic back in May (A320s are irrelevant because they have a totally separate use than wide bodies). BA also got one the second week of February, but that was before the pandemic really hit the West. There may also be a greater desire at BA to spend money on A350s over 787s (if they have to take something) at the moment so the A350 fleet can reach critical mass faster, which the 787 fleet is already at.
 
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Andy33 wrote:
airsmiles wrote:
What’s causing these repeated delays?

No official answer. This is however the first Charleston-built 787 that has been produced for BA. Although they have plenty of 788s and 789s, and seem happy with them apart from the usual RR engine issues, all of them were made in Renton. EDITED to say I should have said Everett.
So really, either they are being deliberately picky to defer making those final payments on the plane, which they weren't with Airbuses also delivered during the pandemic, or there is a genuine build or fit out quality issue on this specific plane.

I remember that KLM did something similar when they were about to take delivery of their first Charleston built 787 after a run of Renton-built (sorry, Everett built) ones. It may be simply a matter of the factory coming to terms with what an individual airline regards as particularly significant and making sure planes for that airline are not put forward for delivery until they are going to be acceptable.


This is what Sam Chui reported about B787-10 quality issues at Charleston in August 2019;

“Boeing Commercial Airplanes clearly has a systematic problem in designing , producing and delivery airplanes.”

https://samchui.com/2019/08/09/airlines ... vJGh2gzZ9M
 
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Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:30 pm

I think its quality issues though I’ve also heard issues might have to do with getting BA pilots over to the US due to coronavirus. Though both ZBLA and ZBLB are now ready.
 
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BA could be waiting to take delivery of both on the same mission, subject to quality issues if indeed there are any.
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Tue Jun 23, 2020 6:41 pm

Something to chew on from a business perspective. Depending on the contract terms, British Airways taking delivery of a 787-10 could trigger payment terms and obligate them to pay Boeing for the new 787-10 according to the payment milestones laid out in the contract.

Given the current global COVID-19 crisis, British Airways cash flow is probably as bad as any other airline, and thus, they may be delaying delivery as a means of preserving cash.
 
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Something to chew on from a business perspective. Depending on the contract terms, British Airways taking delivery of a 787-10 could trigger payment terms and obligate them to pay Boeing for the new 787-10 according to the payment milestones laid out in the contract.

Given the current global COVID-19 crisis, British Airways cash flow is probably as bad as any other airline, and thus, they may be delaying delivery as a means of preserving cash.

Well yes, Boeing is not going to deliver the plane until paid in full.
 
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Looks like delivery is pushed to July now, no official source.
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Bradin wrote:
Something to chew on from a business perspective. Depending on the contract terms, British Airways taking delivery of a 787-10 could trigger payment terms and obligate them to pay Boeing for the new 787-10 according to the payment milestones laid out in the contract.

Given the current global COVID-19 crisis, British Airways cash flow is probably as bad as any other airline, and thus, they may be delaying delivery as a means of preserving cash.

WW made it clear about the widebody deliveries that they instead on taking all as planned over the next two years. Because there’s a financial benefit in doing so as the financing has been secured for those widebodies already
 
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Opus99 wrote:
Bradin wrote:
Something to chew on from a business perspective. Depending on the contract terms, British Airways taking delivery of a 787-10 could trigger payment terms and obligate them to pay Boeing for the new 787-10 according to the payment milestones laid out in the contract.

Given the current global COVID-19 crisis, British Airways cash flow is probably as bad as any other airline, and thus, they may be delaying delivery as a means of preserving cash.

WW made it clear about the widebody deliveries that they instead on taking all as planned over the next two years. Because there’s a financial benefit in doing so as the financing has been secured for those widebodies already


I have no doubt Mr. Walsh will be taking the deliveries of widebodies. But my point is that they are preserving cash right now because they have hardly any income. When income reaches a point where they can actually pay for planes, then they will pay for the deliveries.

BA taking a delivery right now makes no reasonable sense because the plane will be sitting on the ground.
 
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BA taking a delivery right now makes no reasonable sense because the plane will be sitting on the ground.


It won't, it'll be operating cargo flights to the USA where the prices per cargo-tonne-kilometre have gone up, in some cases exponentially, and the 787-10's cargo capacity and operating economics make it a pretty useful airframe at the moment.
 
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Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:08 pm

Danhill1905 wrote:
airsmiles wrote:
What’s causing these repeated delays?


I’ve heard it’s Covid-19 related for last 3 months in terms of getting BA pilots to Charleston to pick her up. Current US flights either have 2 crews onboard for a straight back return or crews overnight in an airport hotel “on-site” as such. Travelling to Charleston means travelling on US soil which either the crews, BA or the UK/US government’s are hesitant about.


This might well be the reason a KLM 787-10 sitting on the flightline has been 'taped up' sitting on the flightline after her first flight a month ago. The flightline is getting quite crowded.
KLM uses their five 787-10's every day by the way. I suspect BA would use theirs too on routes where they are more economic than other types.
 
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Re: British Airways 787-10

Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:30 pm

BA777FO wrote:
Bradin wrote:
BA taking a delivery right now makes no reasonable sense because the plane will be sitting on the ground.


It won't, it'll be operating cargo flights to the USA where the prices per cargo-tonne-kilometre have gone up, in some cases exponentially, and the 787-10's cargo capacity and operating economics make it a pretty useful airframe at the moment.


Do you mean to tell me that British Airways is running every single possible widebody possible for cargo operations and that they have no widebodies sitting on the ramp?
 
jonas12345
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Re: British Airways 787-10

Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:43 pm

everyone excited about the delivery tomorrow?
 
Opus99
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Re: British Airways 787-10

Wed Jun 24, 2020 6:11 pm

jonas12345 wrote:
everyone excited about the delivery tomorrow?

What delivery?
 
BA777FO
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Re: British Airways 787-10

Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:40 pm

Bradin wrote:
BA777FO wrote:
Bradin wrote:
BA taking a delivery right now makes no reasonable sense because the plane will be sitting on the ground.


It won't, it'll be operating cargo flights to the USA where the prices per cargo-tonne-kilometre have gone up, in some cases exponentially, and the 787-10's cargo capacity and operating economics make it a pretty useful airframe at the moment.


Do you mean to tell me that British Airways is running every single possible widebody possible for cargo operations and that they have no widebodies sitting on the ramp?


Every 787 that isn't undergoing maintenance, yes. All 77Ws are being used, all 4-class RR 777s are being used, some of the 3 class RR 777s are too. The odd 4 class unbunked 777 is being used for the JFK with passengers. The majority of A350s are also being used.

It's far more efficient to operate a new 787-10 for cargo-only flights than a reinstating a lone 747 or A380
 
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Re: British Airways 787-10

Thu Jun 25, 2020 11:52 am

BA777FO wrote:
Bradin wrote:
BA777FO wrote:

It won't, it'll be operating cargo flights to the USA where the prices per cargo-tonne-kilometre have gone up, in some cases exponentially, and the 787-10's cargo capacity and operating economics make it a pretty useful airframe at the moment.


Do you mean to tell me that British Airways is running every single possible widebody possible for cargo operations and that they have no widebodies sitting on the ramp?


Every 787 that isn't undergoing maintenance, yes. All 77Ws are being used, all 4-class RR 777s are being used, some of the 3 class RR 777s are too. The odd 4 class unbunked 777 is being used for the JFK with passengers. The majority of A350s are also being used.

It's far more efficient to operate a new 787-10 for cargo-only flights than a reinstating a lone 747 or A380

This is correct, I've also heard the -10 will do cargo routes as well. ZBLA and ZBLB are expected this week or so (take that with a pinch of salt as they've been delayed severally) but if all goes to plan, I believe the -10 will operate Atlanta from 01 August
 
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Re: British Airways 787-10

Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:03 pm

Bradin wrote:
Opus99 wrote:
Bradin wrote:
Depending on the contract terms, British Airways taking delivery of a 787-10 could trigger payment terms and obligate them to pay Boeing for the new 787-10 according to the payment milestones laid out in the contract.
Given the current global COVID-19 crisis, British Airways cash flow is probably as bad as any other airline, and thus, they may be delaying delivery as a means of preserving cash.


WW made it clear about the widebody deliveries that they instead on taking all as planned over the next two years. Because there’s a financial benefit in doing so as the financing has been secured for those widebodies already


I have no doubt Mr. Walsh will be taking the deliveries of widebodies. But my point is that they are preserving cash right now because they have hardly any income. When income reaches a point where they can actually pay for planes, then they will pay for the deliveries.
BA taking a delivery right now makes no reasonable sense because the plane will be sitting on the ground.


At an IAG investor briefing in early April WW said that while the group had not cancelled any orders at that time, it was in talks with both Airbus and Boeing.
"At this stage, we are looking at delaying CAPEX. We are having a very good dialogue with the OEMs, Boeing and Airbus, as you would expect, and that has been very constructive, so I'm pleased in relation to that, so we do have flexibility in relation to our contracts but also in the discussions that we're having with them - we're expecting additional flexibility."
Ever since childhood, when I lived within sight of London Airport, I have seldom seen a plane go by and not wished I was on it.”
With apologies to Paul Theroux - ‘The Great Railway Bazaar’
 
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Re: British Airways 787-10

Thu Jun 25, 2020 3:39 pm

Opus99 wrote:
BA777FO wrote:
Bradin wrote:

Do you mean to tell me that British Airways is running every single possible widebody possible for cargo operations and that they have no widebodies sitting on the ramp?


Every 787 that isn't undergoing maintenance, yes. All 77Ws are being used, all 4-class RR 777s are being used, some of the 3 class RR 777s are too. The odd 4 class unbunked 777 is being used for the JFK with passengers. The majority of A350s are also being used.

It's far more efficient to operate a new 787-10 for cargo-only flights than a reinstating a lone 747 or A380

This is correct, I've also heard the -10 will do cargo routes as well. ZBLA and ZBLB are expected this week or so (take that with a pinch of salt as they've been delayed severally) but if all goes to plan, I believe the -10 will operate Atlanta from 01 August


Looks like the latest plan is for BLA to either leave Charleston or arrive Heathrow at ~9amish on the 28th June - I can't work out which at the moment! The plan was always to send it to Atlanta first, it'll most likely take over the ATL freighter as it seems like more cargo-only freighter flights are popping up each week now.

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