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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:16 pm

rabader wrote:
I don't think is such a big deal yet. the airline claims that the 2xA320 are undergoing D-checks before returning to the lessors, lately Interjet has been receiving brand new A320NEO and getting rid of old A320CEO


The concerning part is that apparently lessors are getting nervous according to the article. That means Interjet is not being completely forthcoming to them about why their planes haven’t been flying and what actions are being performed on them.
 
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Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:23 pm

Polot wrote:
rabader wrote:
I don't think is such a big deal yet. the airline claims that the 2xA320 are undergoing D-checks before returning to the lessors, lately Interjet has been receiving brand new A320NEO and getting rid of old A320CEO


The concerning part is that apparently lessors are getting nervous according to the article. That means Interjet is not being completely forthcoming to them about why their planes haven’t been flying and what actions are being performed on them.

Interjet hasn't been forthcoming to anyone lately, and these airplanes have been grounded for months already, it reminds me a lot to what they started to do with their SSJs a few years ago, of course blaming the Russians 100% was the easy thing to do back then, but it always was kind of fishy they still kept flying some of them instead of grounding the type altogether.

I think this is just one more example of the chickens coming home to roost, and this time it seems for good.

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"Three of Interjet’s 44 Airbus A320 aircraft haven’t flown since at least October, according to data compiled by online flight trackers. One of its eight new A321neo models has been on the ground since November."
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:25 am

rabader wrote:
The worrying part is the A321NEO, with the slot constrained MEX being the principal operating airport of Interjet, it doesn't make any sense grounding an A321
Three of the planes Interjet has grounded are 18 years old on average, while the A321neo is one and a half years old.


This is the A321N grounded, I only have silver account in flightradar and it shows it hasn't been flying in the last 90 days, which includes the winter peak season
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/xa-neo


It flew MEX-CUN on 01 Nov. (I assume then went tech?) and flew back CUN-MEX on 04 Nov. It has not flown since so nearly 4 months on the ground in MEX.
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:08 am

lol. OBVIOUSLY it is the lack of support provided by Airbus and lack of replacement parts... oh wait.
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:59 am

You would never use a A320neo as a Christmas tree. Yet that's exactly what they seem to be doing.
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Fri Mar 27, 2020 3:14 pm

Interjet has now returned 5 A320's to their lessors. It is rumored more aircraft will follow. The aircraft are being stored at GYR.
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:10 pm

Actually, I don't think Interjet is returning them. I have seen reports that they were repossessed by the lessors.

AerCap has repossessed:
A320neos XA-APA, XA-APO and XA-JRM. APA and JRM are at Tucson, while APO is at Goodyear.

Aircastle has repossessed:
A320s XA-ABC and XA-INJ, both are now at Goodyear.

Aviation Capital Group:
A321s XA-MAP, XA-PGA and XA-VMM are also at Goodyear.

Not looking to promising, although they still have some 50 A320-family planes left.

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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:15 pm

I believe one of the grounded A321NEOs was the one that suffered damage after a landing?
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:38 pm

Does anyone seeing Interjet flying in 2022? Even if they get some help to stay afloat i can't see that being anything but temporary.
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:43 pm

Can you see them flying in 2021?.
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:02 pm

So if an airline leases...not owns, an aircraft, is it legal for them to be taking one of them apart for parts? It would seem to me that the owner of the airframe..like a landlord, would get pissed if the tenants are doing this...
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:24 pm

Airbus A320 -214 1162 XA-INJ Interjet ferried 24mar20 GDL-TUS-GYR on return to lessor (+ 3690 XA-ABC CUN-TUS-GYR) ex F-WQUV

Airbus A320 -214 4304 XA-ING Interjet ferried 26mar20 MEX-TUS-GYR on return to lessor (+ 4411 XA-SUN,+ 5358 XA-WAB MEX-TUS-CNO) ex OE-IAY

Airbus A320 -251N 7523 XA-JRM Interjet ferried 24mar20 CUN-TUS-GYR on return to lessor (+ 7576 XA-APO MEX-TUS-GYR) ex F-WWBC

Airbus A320 -251N 7581 XA-APA Interjet ferried 26mar20 MEX-TUS-GYR on return to lessor ex F-WWIC

Airbus A320 -251N 8970 XA-WJS Interjet ferried 19mar20 MEX-TLC-SJO on return to lessor (+ 9056 XA-ARG TLC-SJO) ex F-WWBM

Airbus A321 -211 7879 XA-TEA Interjet ferried 26mar20 MEX-TUS-CNO on return to lessor (+ 7833 XA-ZEN, + 7903 XA-PAT) ex D-AVZR

Airbus A321 -251N 7986 XA-MAP Interjet ferried 25mar20 MEX-TUS-GYR on return to lessor (+ 8023 XA-VMM, + 8575 XA-PGA) ex D-AVYM

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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:20 pm

Love all the SSJ defenders.

Yeah, Interjet is in trouble and cannibalizing other aircraft. Clearly they aren’t sound business wise. But this doesn’t excuse the same thing we hear over and over about the trouble with the SSJ supply chain. It’s trash.

The SSJ had potential to change the mindset around Russian built aircraft, but they’ve botched it every step of the way.
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:18 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Can you see them flying in 2021?.


I don’t see them surviving this crisis. That said, Air Canada could position itself to lease some of these frames as immediate old A320 replacements and account for MAX delays.
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:15 pm

bhill wrote:
So if an airline leases...not owns, an aircraft, is it legal for them to be taking one of them apart for parts? It would seem to me that the owner of the airframe..like a landlord, would get pissed if the tenants are doing this...


It depends on how the lease is written. Most leases have strict return clauses where airplanes need to be restored. Lessors have the ability to oversee maintenance actions being done. Usually There is liberty provided to the operator during maintenance, but a D check on an A321neo sounds like Interjet is violating the contract. Lessors get involved in repairs to ensure no ugly temporary repairs are done to save money for example.
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:11 am

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Does anyone seeing Interjet flying in 2022? Even if they get some help to stay afloat i can't see that being anything but temporary.


Yes, THIS government will not let them go belly up.

Since March 17th 2020, Interjet has grounded their last SSJ100 in the air.

XA-VAS
XA-PPY
XA-VER

Since March 19th 2020, Interjet has returned to lessors:

A320s:

XA-ACO
XA-INJ
XA-NBA
XA-ABC
XA-ING
XA-SUN
XA-WAB

A320Ns:

XA-JRM
XA-APO
XA-APA
XA-WJS
XA-ARG

A321s:

XA-ZEN
XA-TEA
XA-PAT
XA-MAP
XA-VMM
XA-PGA

Grounded for months for some unknown reason:

A320s:

XA-MTY
XA-IJA
XA-RBA
XA-TLC
XA-XII
XA-FUA
XA-LHG

A321s:

XA-JOE being repaired after tail stike in GYR? Will it return?
XA-RLM

Flying for the last days:

A320s

XA-IJT
XA-VTA
XA-ALM
XA-MLR
XA-KNO
XA-EBA
XA-MYR
XA-BIC
XA-JCV
XA-BIG
XA-AYO
XA-ZIH
XA-DOS
XA-BIO
XA-ECO
XA-MTO
XA-YES
XA-VCT
XA-JAV
XA-BAV
XA-IUA
XA-JMA
XA-GAC
XA-CRM
XA-CBA
XA-MBA
XA-UNO
XA-FUN

A320Ns:

XA-DQR
XA-DJM

A321s:

XA-JPB
XA-AJB
XA-GEO
XA-NEO
XA-JIL
XA-DBR

Possible active fleet: 28xA320, 2xA320N, 6xA321, total: 36 birds / 9 with possibilited to fly again. That's only near to 40 frames for a restart out from once 65 Airbus + SSJ100

Interjet has 4 A320Ns in TLS, maybe to become NTU.

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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:04 am

These aircraft are parked right now at KCNO (Chino Airport) by the Tower.
3x A321s
XA-TEA
XA-ZEN
XA-PAT

1 x A320
XA-WAB
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:54 pm

As of yesterda, one more A320 was returned XA-BIC.

Today, as I post, 2 more A320 on their way back, XA-ZIH along with XA-VTA and last movement from today it's XA-DBR an A321N which after is flying to CNO.

I believe in CNO there's a MRO right PRFlyer? Maybe these new frames got a new home already.

So what's been phased out:

A320s:

XA-ACO
XA-INJ
XA-NBA
XA-ABC
XA-ING
XA-SUN
XA-WAB
XA-VTA
XA-BIC
XA-ZIH

A320Ns:

XA-JRM
XA-APO
XA-APA
XA-WJS
XA-ARG

A321s:

XA-ZEN
XA-TEA
XA-PAT

A321Ns:

XA-MAP
XA-VMM
XA-DBR
XA-PGA

Q's is... will Interjet return the Superjet 100s to the air to back up their operation?

It's really sad to see Interjet folding this way. I've heard they will only keep and restart with 18 frames only. That's almost 33% from what they've used to be. It still surprises me they're still offering flights abroad. They should start announcing their cities cancelled. I believe they'll remain with a few importan cities in Mexico and some of Canada, USA and maybe Central America. I see them cutting South America.

This is the best for the airline survival, Aeromexico is cutting a lot of frequncies and I believe they will also cut some frames with all this mess.

From the OAG Changes post 03/29/2020 we have:

4O CUN-JFK APR 0.7>0[1.1]
4O CUN-LAX APR 0.6>0[1.0]
4O CUN-MIA APR 0.6>0[0]
4O DFW-MEX APR 2>0[1.7]
4O GDL-LAS APR 1.0>0[1.0]
4O GDL-LAX APR 1.0>0[2]
4O GDL-ORD APR 1.0>0[1.0]
4O GDL-SAT APR 1.0>0[1.1]
4O GDL-SFO APR 1.0>0[1.1]
4O IAH-MEX APR 2>0[1.7]
4O IAH-MTY APR 1.0>0[1.0]
4O JFK-MEX APR 1.7>0[4]
4O LAS-MEX APR 0.6>0[1.1]
4O LAS-MTY APR 1.0>0[0.6]
4O LAX-MEX APR 2>0[1.6]
4O LAX-MTY APR 0.6>0[0]
4O MCO-MEX APR 1.0>0[1.3]
4O MEX-MIA APR 1.0>0[1.8]
4O MEX-ORD APR 2>0[2]
4O MEX-SAT APR 2.0>0[1.8]
4O MTY-SAT APR 1.0>0[0.9]


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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Sun Mar 29, 2020 6:58 pm

How much longer can Interjet last?
 
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:35 pm

OK I know everyone here is ready to declare them bankrupt, but are we sure this is Interjet going under and it has nothing to do with, oh I don't know, the global pandemic that has put a ground stop to the majority of flights worldwide and has lead to thousands of aircraft being grounded across the planet within a few weeks?
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:50 pm

A "global pandemic that has put a ground stop to the majority of flights worldwide" carries a risk of airlines running out of money as a result.

It might be too early to write them off, or might be not.
When Interjet was discovered cannibalizing SSJ's -- it was initially attributed to SSJ's spectacularly poor spare parts situation. So financials were not suspected to be bad by many.
When Interjet was discovered cannibalizing their Airbus -- it was not so easily dismissed anymore. Folks took notice. The airline continued, for the time being.

Now, with "global pandemic that has put a ground stop to the majority of flights worldwide", the lessors appear to no longer be taking chances, and grab their property while they can.

Again, don't get me wrong. Rigorously analyzed, probably most of the airlines in the world now meet one specific definition of "bankrupt", or another, or a few of them at once. But the weaker ones tend to be hit and stampeded over, first.
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:57 pm

Phosphorus wrote:
A "global pandemic that has put a ground stop to the majority of flights worldwide" carries a risk of airlines running out of money as a result.

It might be too early to write them off, or might be not.
When Interjet was discovered cannibalizing SSJ's -- it was initially attributed to SSJ's spectacularly poor spare parts situation. So financials were not suspected to be bad by many.
When Interjet was discovered cannibalizing their Airbus -- it was not so easily dismissed anymore. Folks took notice. The airline continued, for the time being.

Now, with "global pandemic that has put a ground stop to the majority of flights worldwide", the lessors appear to no longer be taking chances, and grab their property while they can.

Again, don't get me wrong. Rigorously analyzed, probably most of the airlines in the world now meet one specific definition of "bankrupt", or another, or a few of them at once. But the weaker ones tend to be hit and stampeded over, first.

A bad credit risk airline will lose the aircraft. Unfortunately for Interjet, they were not financially sound enough for a big load (a la US3).

Due to this Black swan even, the world will have a smaller aviation market coming out for some period of time. (The discussion of the time frame needs to be on another thread.) But Interjet doesn't have the resources to restart as anything but a small fraction of their previous size.

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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:01 pm

¿Could the government could rescue them?....I mean, they need a functional airline based at their fantasy-based Santa Lucía airport and Interjet is a good option for that matter. Specially since they (government) have shown some antipathy towards AM and other airlines.
 
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:28 pm

ghost77 wrote:
slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
Does anyone seeing Interjet flying in 2022? Even if they get some help to stay afloat i can't see that being anything but temporary.

Yes, THIS government will not let them go belly up.


In my opinion, the current administration (government) will let Interjet go belly up for several reasons: First, Interjet was already in a very bad financial situation before the COVID-19 crisis started; the pandemic came at the worst time for Interjet when it was trying to get cash from every source possible and it was already shrinking. Second, even if they shrink to 33 planes (as you stated), the airline is overstaffed and, to right size it, they will have to lay off many employees; in Mexico, you have to provide severance packages (according to the labor law) based on the number of years served at base pay which translates into huge amounts of cash that Interjet doesn't have. Most of its employees will not leave voluntarily in a country where finding a similar job will be virtually impossible. Third, if they get financial support from the government, AeroMexico, Viva, Volaris will ask for similar grants/loans and with the current government budget there is no money to provide grants or even massive loans when there have been deep cuts to almost every government agency (ministry) and the main source of revenue for the government (oil) is at its lowest price in decades. Lets be realistic, even medicines are scarce in Mexico with cancer and HIV patients not being able to get their drugs to survive. Fourth, the Aleman family doesn't want to invest a single more cent in the airline and i don't see private money or banks offering loans without collateral (assets) which Interjet doesn't have.

Interjet was about to become a Mexicana 2.0 but with the global pandemic they can look for ways to get concessions from employees, vendors, etc. and try to save the airline (even if it is at 1/3 of its current size). I don't like to see airlines go belly up, but the reality is that many will stop operations in the next week or so and some will never fly again.

tphuang wrote:
How much longer can Interjet last?

I think Interjet will ground all planes in a couple of weeks (down with other mexican airlines) and they will never be able to restart operations

OA940 wrote:
OK I know everyone here is ready to declare them bankrupt, but are we sure this is Interjet going under and it has nothing to do with, oh I don't know, the global pandemic that has put a ground stop to the majority of flights worldwide and has lead to thousands of aircraft being grounded across the planet within a few weeks?

As stated above, Interjet was in a very weak financial situation before the pandemic started. Unless they get grants from the government (very unlikely in Mexico), it will be very difficult for them to survive. They might not be alone, there are other airlines in Mexico that have weak financials (TAR and Aeromar), but even AeroMexico, Viva and Volaris might have trouble surviving if weak demand continues for months
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:37 pm

rojo wrote:
I think Interjet will ground all planes in a couple of weeks (in sink with other mexican airlines) and they will never be able to restart operations


I think you mean "in toilet" not "in sink".
 
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Lol! He meant in sync.
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:50 am

Airbus A320 -214 1259 XA-VTA Interjet ferried 29mar20 MEX-TUS-GYR (+ 3667 XA-ZIH) ex XA-ITJ

Airbus A320 -214 2964 XA-NBA Interjet ferried 27mar20 MEX-TUS on return to lessor ex EI-EYS

Airbus A320 -214 3374 XA-BIC Interjet ferried 28mar20 MEX-TUS on return to lessor ex XA-MXL

Airbus A321 -251N 8353 XA-DBR Interjet ferried 29mar20 MEX-TUS-GYR on return to lessor ex D-AYAY

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:06 pm

What this guys should do is reach an agreement with Sukhoi and get their SSJ100s flying again. The immediate and midterm future of aviation will be the 100pax market segment, and they already have those planes in their fleet. Plus they already own them so they'd better use them.
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:28 pm

Today 4 more A320s leave the country.

XA-JAV, XA-MBA, XA-CRM, XA-CBA 3 are on their way already to TUS according to another forum.
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Mon Mar 30, 2020 7:53 pm

Weatherwatcher1 wrote:
bhill wrote:
So if an airline leases...not owns, an aircraft, is it legal for them to be taking one of them apart for parts? It would seem to me that the owner of the airframe..like a landlord, would get pissed if the tenants are doing this...


It depends on how the lease is written. Most leases have strict return clauses where airplanes need to be restored. Lessors have the ability to oversee maintenance actions being done. Usually There is liberty provided to the operator during maintenance, but a D check on an A321neo sounds like Interjet is violating the contract. Lessors get involved in repairs to ensure no ugly temporary repairs are done to save money for example.

All new aircraft leases, and some not so new aircraft leases cover parts ownership, maintenance commitments and end of lease condition, with regular oversight, peer review and if all else fails arbitration processes and legal action. Leases include non-operational conditions (which are getting a workout globally at present), similar to your home insurance if you decided to leave it unoccupied for months.

An aircraft idle for months occurs with the knowledge of the lessor. The question is whether it's with or without their consent.
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:38 am

Well, I have a trip booked on them to take the wife to CZM from DFW for her birthday in June...my $ is that the trip won’t happen
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:58 pm

Airbus A320 -214 5221 XA-JAV Interjet ferried 30mar20 CUN-TUS-CNO on return to lessor ex D-AXAW

Airbus A320 -214 7238 XA-CRM Interjet ferried 30mar20 MEX-TUS-GYR on return to lessor ex F-WWDU

Airbus A320 -214 7264 XA-CBA Interjet ferried 30mar20 MEX-TUS-GYR on return to lessor (+ 7345 XA-MBA GDL-TUS-GYR) ex F-WWDR

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:10 pm

This like watching a train wreck...except it's an airline...

Someone warm up the funeral music
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:41 pm

AWACSooner wrote:
This like watching a train wreck...except it's an airline...

Someone warm up the funeral music

Actuallly that is the smart thing to do, if they are not too late. They can get their SSJ fleet back again, after of course pleading the Russians to give them the spares in an IOU fashion. From then on they can start their regional flights again and use the remaining airbus frames for their trunk routes.}
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Wed Apr 01, 2020 12:20 am

I have to wonder if Frontier may end up with any of the A21Ns, as they could take early induction of the frames. As for Interjet, I see them collapsing soon. Mexicana was not rescued after it collapsed; Volaris and VivaAerobus (the latter is financing most of its fleet) could step in to fill the void, although they are P&W customers while Interjet is a CFM customer. In the Americas, the only other LCC operators of CFM-powered A320s besides Frontier are Sky Airline and Azul. Sky Airline does have the A321neo on order, but in the Americas, P&W seems to be the engine of choice for most carriers. (In the Americas, in fact, the only operators of the A320neo family with CFM engines, or certain to have them, are Alaska, American, Interjet, Sky Airline, and Azul---and likely Frontier.)

As for the A320s, Air Canada was interested in some for Rouge. I have to wonder if they may add more.
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:25 am

aemoreira1981 wrote:
As for the A320s, Air Canada was interested in some for Rouge. I have to wonder if they may add more.


Or a nice way for AC to ditch the MAX altogether, pawn off the 24 in posession to Southwest or someone, cancel the remaining 8s, and replace them with these 320s/321s.

Anyway, back on topic, some of the salivating for their demise I've seen on here is as bad if not worse than some peoples desire to see Norwegian collapse. I hope Mexico does step up and helps them, but not looking good.

I'll be sad to see Interjet go if it happens, i had more than half a dozen flights on them last year between Canada and Mexico, and they were excellent to fly with, far better than any of the US3 or Canadian airlines.
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Wed Apr 01, 2020 3:48 am

ShamrockBoi330 wrote:
aemoreira1981 wrote:
As for the A320s, Air Canada was interested in some for Rouge. I have to wonder if they may add more.


Or a nice way for AC to ditch the MAX altogether, pawn off the 24 in posession to Southwest or someone, cancel the remaining 8s, and replace them with these 320s/321s.

Anyway, back on topic, some of the salivating for their demise I've seen on here is as bad if not worse than some peoples desire to see Norwegian collapse. I hope Mexico does step up and helps them, but not looking good.

I'll be sad to see Interjet go if it happens, i had more than half a dozen flights on them last year between Canada and Mexico, and they were excellent to fly with, far better than any of the US3 or Canadian airlines.


That might not be a bad idea, if AC can get better lease (or purchase) rates on these frames for about 30 planes, including all of the A321/A21N fleet for mainline. I also could see FI trying to bid for the A21N fleet, seeing the error of going to the MAX without having flown the NG.
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:43 am

ghost77 wrote:
Whatever... I know what I'm taking about,

A320Wc XA-UNO ln 7784
A320Wc XA-FUN ln 7792

g77

No you don't. Simplest proof for that is wriiten by yourself: Airbus does not use ln's :sarcastic: :sarcastic:
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:51 am

Wayfarer515 wrote:
Actuallly that is the smart thing to do, if they are not too late. They can get their SSJ fleet back again, after of course pleading the Russians to give them the spares in an IOU fashion. From then on they can start their regional flights again and use the remaining airbus frames for their trunk routes.

Why would they ask the Russians for spare parts, which they don't have, when there are 8 brand spankin' new SSJ's, built for Interjet since early 2015, stored somewhere on this planet.

Unless of course those were cannibalized by the Russians :biggrin:
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:30 am

Wayfarer515 wrote:
Polot wrote:
rabader wrote:
I don't think is such a big deal yet. the airline claims that the 2xA320 are undergoing D-checks before returning to the lessors, lately Interjet has been receiving brand new A320NEO and getting rid of old A320CEO


The concerning part is that apparently lessors are getting nervous according to the article. That means Interjet is not being completely forthcoming to them about why their planes haven’t been flying and what actions are being performed on them.

Interjet hasn't been forthcoming to anyone lately, and these airplanes have been grounded for months already, it reminds me a lot to what they started to do with their SSJs a few years ago, of course blaming the Russians 100% was the easy thing to do back then, but it always was kind of fishy they still kept flying some of them instead of grounding the type altogether.

I think this is just one more example of the chickens coming home to roost, and this time it seems for good.

FTA

"Three of Interjet’s 44 Airbus A320 aircraft haven’t flown since at least October, according to data compiled by online flight trackers. One of its eight new A321neo models has been on the ground since November."


Clearly you have an axe to grind.
Interjet was still flying the Airbus when the Russian models were grounded.
Interjet also wasn’t the only airline complaining about support.
No where in the article does it mention canniblization.
Lease returns are tricky sometimes.
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:37 pm

Airbus A320 -214 7784 XA-UNO Interjet ferried 31mar20 MEX-TUS-GYR on return to lessor (+ 7792 XA-FUN) ex F-WWIA

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:06 am

And today, 3 more Airbus 320 are now heading south to SJO, all from GECAS

XA-BIG ln/cn/sn 3631
XA-AYO ln/cn/sn 3644
XA-JMA ln/cn/sn 5665

Fleet down to 31 frames. Now the Q is, what destination will be axed... more frames are due for returning and only 18 will be kept.

What will AIJ network will look like? Will they bring the SSJ100 back? IMHO, they're on the path and right way for reorganizing and recovering. Downsizing is always right sizing.

Hopefully they can get some cash and find homes for the SSJ100 and start all over again with a reliable service as in their early days, everyone loved Interjet!

PS. Not only AIJ is struggling, TAR is also having financial problems.

g77
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:29 pm

ghost77 wrote:
And today, 3 more Airbus 320 are now heading south to SJO, all from GECAS

XA-BIG ln/cn/sn 3631
XA-AYO ln/cn/sn 3644
XA-JMA ln/cn/sn 5665

Fleet down to 31 frames. Now the Q is, what destination will be axed... more frames are due for returning and only 18 will be kept.

What will AIJ network will look like? Will they bring the SSJ100 back? IMHO, they're on the path and right way for reorganizing and recovering. Downsizing is always right sizing.

Hopefully they can get some cash and find homes for the SSJ100 and start all over again with a reliable service as in their early days, everyone loved Interjet!

PS. Not only AIJ is struggling, TAR is also having financial problems.

g77

I'm sure Interjet would love to bring back the SSJ100; but, without parts to make them fly, how can they? That's been the issue for a long time.

Downsizing is not always right sizing; there are plenty of examples of companies downsizing in an attempt to make things right, but still ultimately bit the dust. Right sizing is the answer to survival; but what is the right size when no one can predict the future accurately.
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:51 pm

WayexTDI wrote:
ghost77 wrote:
And today, 3 more Airbus 320 are now heading south to SJO, all from GECAS

XA-BIG ln/cn/sn 3631
XA-AYO ln/cn/sn 3644
XA-JMA ln/cn/sn 5665

Fleet down to 31 frames. Now the Q is, what destination will be axed... more frames are due for returning and only 18 will be kept.

What will AIJ network will look like? Will they bring the SSJ100 back? IMHO, they're on the path and right way for reorganizing and recovering. Downsizing is always right sizing.

Hopefully they can get some cash and find homes for the SSJ100 and start all over again with a reliable service as in their early days, everyone loved Interjet!

PS. Not only AIJ is struggling, TAR is also having financial problems.

g77

I'm sure Interjet would love to bring back the SSJ100; but, without parts to make them fly, how can they? That's been the issue for a long time.

Downsizing is not always right sizing; there are plenty of examples of companies downsizing in an attempt to make things right, but still ultimately bit the dust. Right sizing is the answer to survival; but what is the right size when no one can predict the future accurately.


The SSJ lack of spares parts myth has been perpetuated in here, but heavily debunked by Azimuth's successful operation of an all SSJ fleet for the past year and half at least. Interjet did not have the money to pay for the spares, and wanted SCAC/UAC to foot the bill and basically do it with an IOU to be paid in the future. If SCAC had done that they would now be in very big trouble as well, so smart move from them not to lend the spares to Interjet. Maybe now it is the right moment to negotiate, as Interjet can re emerge as a 100-seater airline only with an all or mostly SSJ fleet, something I think will be the immediate and mid-term sweetspot for years to come.
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:37 pm

Airbus A320 -214 3631 XA-BIG Interjet ferried 01apr20 MEX-SJO on return to lessor (+ 3644 XA-AJO, + 5665 XA-JMA) ex VP-BZP

Airbus A320 -214 5163 XA-VCT Interjet ferried 02apr20 MEX-TUS-CNO on return to lessor ex F-WWDI

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:33 pm

Wayfarer515 wrote:
WayexTDI wrote:
ghost77 wrote:
And today, 3 more Airbus 320 are now heading south to SJO, all from GECAS

XA-BIG ln/cn/sn 3631
XA-AYO ln/cn/sn 3644
XA-JMA ln/cn/sn 5665

Fleet down to 31 frames. Now the Q is, what destination will be axed... more frames are due for returning and only 18 will be kept.

What will AIJ network will look like? Will they bring the SSJ100 back? IMHO, they're on the path and right way for reorganizing and recovering. Downsizing is always right sizing.

Hopefully they can get some cash and find homes for the SSJ100 and start all over again with a reliable service as in their early days, everyone loved Interjet!

PS. Not only AIJ is struggling, TAR is also having financial problems.

g77

I'm sure Interjet would love to bring back the SSJ100; but, without parts to make them fly, how can they? That's been the issue for a long time.

Downsizing is not always right sizing; there are plenty of examples of companies downsizing in an attempt to make things right, but still ultimately bit the dust. Right sizing is the answer to survival; but what is the right size when no one can predict the future accurately.


The SSJ lack of spares parts myth has been perpetuated in here, but heavily debunked by Azimuth's successful operation of an all SSJ fleet for the past year and half at least. Interjet did not have the money to pay for the spares, and wanted SCAC/UAC to foot the bill and basically do it with an IOU to be paid in the future. If SCAC had done that they would now be in very big trouble as well, so smart move from them not to lend the spares to Interjet. Maybe now it is the right moment to negotiate, as Interjet can re emerge as a 100-seater airline only with an all or mostly SSJ fleet, something I think will be the immediate and mid-term sweetspot for years to come.


Your example for a successful aftermarket resources for a Russian jet........... is a Russian airline?

Sorry, but Cityjet would strongly disagree with your statement and would definitely be more inline with Interjets experiences.

https://www.airportspotting.com/cityjet ... superjets/

https://www.aerotime.aero/aerotime.team ... perjet-100
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:23 pm

Interjet had a wonderful operation for the first 3 years without a problem until told by Sukhoi to ground their aircraft for inspection back in December 19th 2016. It was winter season and Interjet didn't do it UNTIL December 23rd when Sukhoi told them and forced them to do untless there might be an accident.

Today 3 more have been taken back to lessors.

Sure downsizing is not always right sizing but a way to get thru. Before this, Interjet planned to return 12 A320s and 1 A321. With Corona, this have changed and maybe it's the right thing to do. Built a new business plan, do the things RIGHT as when started and then think about growing again.

One more thing is that since the stupid president took the chair, economy in 2019 grew nothing, it was a beautiful 0%. This is another reason why Interjet is struggling.

Aeromexico with the MAX problem, instead of going crazy and look for more seats, contrary to Volaris too, and VivaAerobus, thinking they could gain more market, even Volaris as soon as they knew no more seats were added by Aeromexico, they kept and extended the last Airbus 319s.

TAR is another suffering hard the consequences of Covid. A hard April 2020 is going on...

g77
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:45 pm

Airbus A321 -251N 7945 XA-NEO Interjet ferried 02apr20 MTY-TUS-GYR on return to lessor (+ 8008 XA-JIL MEX-TUS-GYR) ex D-AVZL
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:57 pm

Airbus A320 -214 5372 XA-BAV Interjet ferried 03apr20 MEX-SFB-LCQ on return to lessor (+ 5653 XA-IUA) ex D-AUBU

https://www.skyliner-aviation.de/regdb. ... av4&page=2
 
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Re: Interjet Now Cannibalizing Its Airbus Fleet according to Bloomberg

Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:52 am

Add 3 more to the list of frames returned.

Today Sunday, April 4th it was the turn of:

XA-ALM
XA-IJT
XA-TLC

Only 23 frames left in Mexico.

g77

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