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Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:02 pm

Dust storms know as the Calima are affecting the Spanish Canarias Islands with dust and winds up to 75mph. Over 20 flights have diverted and the storms are expected to last until Monday.

Gran Canaria Airport

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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:06 pm

Aena has closed air space in the Canary Islands . All flights en route were being diverted or turning back to origin . Aer Lingus DUB - ACE got to Northern Spain then returned to DUB .
 
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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:08 pm

That is an eerie scene, reminds me of "weather" near a wildfire in Australia or southern California. Really not conditions I'd want to fly in.
 
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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Sun Feb 23, 2020 4:18 pm

Wow!! Been to the Canaries 4x, fascinating photos! Hope all clears soon.
 
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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:13 pm

Live webcam for ACE

https://youtu.be/71Fi3INpot8
 
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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:14 pm

Aeroflot 2548 flew from Moscow all the way to the canary island, destination was TFS, and now they are going back north, It looks like to Malaga, but I am not sure, and few other planes were on the way and they turn around after a couple of hours in the air.
 
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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:21 pm

This happened yesterday too, several flights routed back to their origin, including BY flight ex MAN-LPA
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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:46 pm

migair54 wrote:
Aeroflot 2548 flew from Moscow all the way to the canary island, destination was TFS, and now they are going back north, It looks like to Malaga, but I am not sure, and few other planes were on the way and they turn around after a couple of hours in the air.


Looks like it is indeed heading to AGP after turning back just North of Lanzarote and now in the air for 8 hours !
 
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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:20 pm

It is totally pointless to close "airspace" with dozens of flights on their way for weather which is not more complicated than a bit of a low visibility for fog. It should be like always: report the weather, keep airports available and leave the decision to the crews/operators whether they land or not.
Yesterday 30+ flights landed in TFS only after they announced the closure and sent 20-30 flights away to Marocco and Spanish mainland. Visibility was 5+ km with light wind for another 3-4 hrs, departures happened all the time. Same for TFN, ACE, FUE, LPA. "Somehow" Inter island flights were all flying up and down and other Spanish flights were accepted like Vueling from BCN and Iberia from MAD. They create chaos out of nothing.
 
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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:25 pm

holczakker wrote:
It is totally pointless to close "airspace" with dozens of flights on their way for weather which is not more complicated than a bit of a low visibility for fog. It should be like always: report the weather, keep airports available and leave the decision to the crews/operators whether they land or not.
Yesterday 30+ flights landed in TFS only after they announced the closure and sent 20-30 flights away to Marocco and Spanish mainland. Visibility was 5+ km with light wind for another 3-4 hrs, departures happened all the time. Same for TFN, ACE, FUE, LPA. "Somehow" Inter island flights were all flying up and down and other Spanish flights were accepted like Vueling from BCN and Iberia from MAD. They create chaos out of nothing.


Did you miss the part about 75mph winds?
 
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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:27 pm

holczakker wrote:
It is totally pointless to close "airspace" with dozens of flights on their way for weather which is not more complicated than a bit of a low visibility for fog. It should be like always: report the weather, keep airports available and leave the decision to the crews/operators whether they land or not.
Yesterday 30+ flights landed in TFS only after they announced the closure and sent 20-30 flights away to Marocco and Spanish mainland. Visibility was 5+ km with light wind for another 3-4 hrs, departures happened all the time. Same for TFN, ACE, FUE, LPA. "Somehow" Inter island flights were all flying up and down and other Spanish flights were accepted like Vueling from BCN and Iberia from MAD. They create chaos out of nothing.

mostly it's amazing that the planes depart not knowing that there's storm or storm forecasted at destination. I mean can't forecast be precise in 4 hours advance?
 
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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Sun Feb 23, 2020 6:47 pm

I was at ACE last week.

Glad that I missed it.
 
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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:06 pm

Are the flights being diverted for the 75mph winds or because of the dust? I thought that flights went straight into dust clouds in places like PHX and TUS. Many of the most impressive dust storm pictures were taken from the air after all.
 
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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:22 pm

SQ317 wrote:
holczakker wrote:
It is totally pointless to close "airspace" with dozens of flights on their way for weather which is not more complicated than a bit of a low visibility for fog. It should be like always: report the weather, keep airports available and leave the decision to the crews/operators whether they land or not.
Yesterday 30+ flights landed in TFS only after they announced the closure and sent 20-30 flights away to Marocco and Spanish mainland. Visibility was 5+ km with light wind for another 3-4 hrs, departures happened all the time. Same for TFN, ACE, FUE, LPA. "Somehow" Inter island flights were all flying up and down and other Spanish flights were accepted like Vueling from BCN and Iberia from MAD. They create chaos out of nothing.


Did you miss the part about 75mph winds?

No but it's not true. The measured wind speed is 13 kt ín TFS per the last METAR with RVR/1700 which is no way unusual in any part of the world in winter. Last night it was around 5 kt in the first 3 hours of the closure and went up to 40 kt during the night which is still acceptable. But even it would be 75 kt, it's up to the operators to decide whether to fly or not. It's not Russia to close airspaces/airports for weather (unless the operation of the airport is phisically affected like snow but it's not the case here as departures are happening all the time during the closure).
 
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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:42 pm

OA260 wrote:
migair54 wrote:
Aeroflot 2548 flew from Moscow all the way to the canary island, destination was TFS, and now they are going back north, It looks like to Malaga, but I am not sure, and few other planes were on the way and they turn around after a couple of hours in the air.


Looks like it is indeed heading to AGP after turning back just North of Lanzarote and now in the air for 8 hours !


Yeah the flights from northern Europe have had some adventures. Yesterday Norwegian D8510 HEL-TFS turned back to HEL just before the Spanish airspace, the passenges had a 7h funride over Europe. The passengers were told the plan A was to divert to Lanzarote but "no free hotel rooms".

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flig ... 0#23f3ae43
 
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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:43 pm

Kikko19 wrote:
holczakker wrote:
It is totally pointless to close "airspace" with dozens of flights on their way for weather which is not more complicated than a bit of a low visibility for fog. It should be like always: report the weather, keep airports available and leave the decision to the crews/operators whether they land or not.
Yesterday 30+ flights landed in TFS only after they announced the closure and sent 20-30 flights away to Marocco and Spanish mainland. Visibility was 5+ km with light wind for another 3-4 hrs, departures happened all the time. Same for TFN, ACE, FUE, LPA. "Somehow" Inter island flights were all flying up and down and other Spanish flights were accepted like Vueling from BCN and Iberia from MAD. They create chaos out of nothing.

mostly it's amazing that the planes depart not knowing that there's storm or storm forecasted at destination. I mean can't forecast be precise in 4 hours advance?

Their forecast is shite as well. Full of PROB 30/40s and 2-4 hours periods given to all changes to happen. They are uncertain in only two things: what will happen and when.
Most flights from Europe departs 3-5 hrs earlier and are narrowbodies with limited amount of extra fuel available. They would be a lot happier to land at their destination in raging 13 kt of wind and an easy 1700 m of visibility than going back to Spain or Portugal (or ín fact Helsinki from over France as it happened yesterday while Binter was flying casually between all Canary islands).
 
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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:18 pm

holczakker wrote:
"Somehow" Inter island flights were all flying up and down....


Some were flying, yes. On the island where I am now, 7 of the 8 daily flights yesterday were cancelled as were 2 more flights this morning.


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Re: Dust Storms affecting LPA, FUE and ACE airports

Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:20 pm

OA260 wrote:
Live webcam for ACE

https://youtu.be/71Fi3INpot8


Looks like a lot of traffic at ACE this morning. Still pretty hazy.
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