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Alaska future in Portland 2020

Tue Feb 25, 2020 10:00 pm

I'm curious about Alaska airline futures plans for Portland in the next 5-10 years...Will we see continuous stagnant growth or more expansion? Now that Alaska and American will have all Concourse B and C( a total of 26 finger gate and 6 ground loading) there's definitely a lot of room for future growth..
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:14 pm

I think they'll have to focus on growing regionally around the west coast. Their expansion from PDX to the midwest and east didn't work out so well and most of those routes are gone or reduced to seasonal.
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 12:30 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
I think they'll have to focus on growing regionally around the west coast. Their expansion from PDX to the midwest and east didn't work out so well and most of those routes are gone or reduced to seasonal.

With the new AA codeshare in place I would not be surprised to see some of these routes return.
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 4:19 pm

With AA partnership, there will already be a suite of flights to AA E Coast hubs.

Other then AS’s W Coast focus, it may open doors to some more P2P routes like RDU etc
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:42 pm

vadodara wrote:
With AA partnership, there will already be a suite of flights to AA E Coast hubs.


This is the extent of American’s presence at PDX:
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1 daily to CLT
1 daily to PHL, June—October
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:49 pm

I would love to see Alaska grow and strengthen it's PDX west coast hub, but looking at the 2020 summer schedule a lot of routes have been trimmed back and past summer seasonal flights will not be returning..To answer the question above, anything is possible within the next 5-10 years and hopefully, the current direction AS is taking in regards to Portland will reverse.....
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:49 pm

With no competition to FLL, MIA would be a natural add
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:52 pm

pmanni1 wrote:
I think they'll have to focus on growing regionally around the west coast. Their expansion from PDX to the midwest and east didn't work out so well and most of those routes are gone or reduced to seasonal.


Alaska has the West Coast covered from PDX. They could add Monterey and restart Pasco and Bellingham, but that’s about it.

Milwaukee and St Louis were dropped. What else?
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:15 pm

In addition to your list, I could also see Helena, MT, and summer seasonal to Fairbanks on the west coast.......
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:24 pm

It would make sense to link AA hubs more. Focus will be on SEA though i think.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:53 pm

I could see Denver, more JFK, more ORD.
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:13 pm

I thought UA was moving to the B Gates. Whatever became of that?
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:21 pm

lhpdx wrote:
In addition to your list, I could also see Helena, MT, and summer seasonal to Fairbanks on the west coast.......


I didn’t think of Fairbanks. Alaska does 4x/—5x/daily SEA-FAI and zero to PDX. That sounds about par for the course :thumbsdown: . And Delta flies it too.

Will Alaska continue PDX-ORD and PDX-DFW or will they leave that to AA and shift to fill other routes? Besides South Florida, the most unserved area of the US is the wider Ohio Valley region.
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:27 pm

NWAESC wrote:
I thought UA was moving to the B Gates. Whatever became of that?


United stays in the expanded Concourse E with Southwest (that won’t be a very busy part of the airport). Concourse B will be Alaska and Horizon.
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:30 pm

It would make sense to transition the heavily constrained Sea-Tac hub to focus more heavily on high yield O/D and let Portland take a lot of the transfer passengers. That way AS/AA can both grow and increase their yield while building up a strong hub at PDX which is probably going to continue to grow in population and prominence.
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:36 pm

PavlovsDog wrote:
It would make sense to transition the heavily constrained Sea-Tac hub to focus more heavily on high yield O/D and let Portland take a lot of the transfer passengers.


They could be doing that in the Yield Management software now.
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:15 pm

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With no competition to FLL, MIA would be a natural add


These are long,thin and low yield destinations. I don't know what is natural about them. Planes can be used on more profitable routes
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:16 pm

jbpdx wrote:
Will Alaska continue PDX-ORD and PDX-DFW or will they leave that to AA and shift to fill other routes?

They aren't just doing to drop two large markets from PDX. AS and AA still have to be competitive, they don't have a JV.

MIflyer12 wrote:
PavlovsDog wrote:
It would make sense to transition the heavily constrained Sea-Tac hub to focus more heavily on high yield O/D and let Portland take a lot of the transfer passengers.


They could be doing that in the Yield Management software now.


And yet they aren't for the most part. For example, if I try to book BUR/LAX/SNA/ONT-BOI; the connections are all priced roughly the same with SJC (where applicable) being the cheapest option.
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:41 pm

I truly appreciate everyone's comment on here especially since this is my first posting....... I must admit I'm just a little bias and would love to see AS expand and grow it's hub here in Portland beyond where it's at today...
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:08 am

I appreciate your example but it could mean that SJC is simply weakest of the three SEA/PDX/SJC on the dates you're checking. Try ten thousand searches among thirty different airport pairs over a 60-day period all with logical/fared SEA/PDX connections and you'll have a data set.
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:20 am

as739x wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
With no competition to FLL, MIA would be a natural add


These are long,thin and low yield destinations. I don't know what is natural about them. Planes can be used on more profitable routes


That must be why Alaska is flying twice daily PDX-MCO, and why Vancouver and Calgary have nonstops to FLL and MCO.
Perfect for Delta’s A223s.
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:29 am

jbpdx wrote:
as739x wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
With no competition to FLL, MIA would be a natural add


These are long,thin and low yield destinations. I don't know what is natural about them. Planes can be used on more profitable routes


That must be why Alaska is flying twice daily PDX-MCO, and why Vancouver and Calgary have nonstops to FLL and MCO.
Perfect for Delta’s A223s.

Yeah - perfect kind of route for DL to set some money on fire for fun: flying between two oneworld hubs!
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:49 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
I appreciate your example but it could mean that SJC is simply weakest of the three SEA/PDX/SJC on the dates you're checking. Try ten thousand searches among thirty different airport pairs over a 60-day period all with logical/fared SEA/PDX connections and you'll have a data set.


I checked SoCal to a handful of airports over about a 10 day spread in late March/early April and SJC/SFO (when available) were the cheapest connections and PDX and SEA were usually pretty much the same. Morning connections over SEA were almost always cheaper and the rest of the day PDX was the same as SEA +/- $10.

Hawaii - PacNW was also the same price between PDX and SEA and tended to actually be cheaper with a connection over SFO/SJC or SMF with a double connection from OGG

DAL - Anywhere was cheaper over SEA

My point more so was that they aren't pushing more connections over PDX compared to SEA, instead they are letting travelers choose the times that work best for them and offering pretty much the same fares.
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:11 am

Maybe SEA should serve as AS northwest hub, and PDX should be focused on O&D traffic?
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:42 am

onwFan wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
as739x wrote:

These are long,thin and low yield destinations. I don't know what is natural about them. Planes can be used on more profitable routes


That must be why Alaska is flying twice daily PDX-MCO, and why Vancouver and Calgary have nonstops to FLL and MCO.
Perfect for Delta’s A223s.

Yeah - perfect kind of route for DL to set some money on fire for fun: flying between two oneworld hubs!


Why don’t you bring up the tired “provincial Portlanders won’t go to South Florida“ argument?
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:01 am

Every few years, it seems, AS puts on a song and dance for their 75k MVP folks about how there will be a renewed focus on PDX...and then little to nothing happens.

Similar with SFO, LAX, AS has a problem running stuff east out of PDX. They've tried. A lot of it doesn't stick. They've got the perfect plane to try again - the E75.

There's no denying that finally bulldozing that garbage A concourse set-up and replacing it with something respectable is great for everyone.

By the way take a look at how WN has built up its PDX-West Coast network. By far a formidable competitor for AS flying to CA.
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:12 am

jbpdx wrote:
vadodara wrote:
With AA partnership, there will already be a suite of flights to AA E Coast hubs.


This is the extent of American’s presence at PDX:
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1 daily to CLT
1 daily to PHL, June—October

Sine those are all AMR HUBS? The expansion makes perfect sense from not onlt PDX bur SEA AND SFO. And later from LAX and/or SAN as well.
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:20 am

jbpdx wrote:
onwFan wrote:
jbpdx wrote:

That must be why Alaska is flying twice daily PDX-MCO, and why Vancouver and Calgary have nonstops to FLL and MCO.
Perfect for Delta’s A223s.

Yeah - perfect kind of route for DL to set some money on fire for fun: flying between two oneworld hubs!


Why don’t you bring up the tired “provincial Portlanders won’t go to South Florida“ argument?

I have no idea what you are rambling about and what that has to do with whether DL or AS/AA has a better chance for succeeding at PDX-MIA. I was merely alluding to the fact that DL is not the carrier best poised to succeed on the route (with hub at neither end). If you have a point, I would greatly appreciate you bringing it up.
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 1:26 pm

PavlovsDog wrote:
It would make sense to transition the heavily constrained Sea-Tac hub to focus more heavily on high yield O/D and let Portland take a lot of the transfer passengers. That way AS/AA can both grow and increase their yield while building up a strong hub at PDX which is probably going to continue to grow in population and prominence.

If AS starts giving up gates at SEA they are done for.
 
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Alaska future in Portland 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:10 pm

jbpdx wrote:
onwFan wrote:
jbpdx wrote:

That must be why Alaska is flying twice daily PDX-MCO, and why Vancouver and Calgary have nonstops to FLL and MCO.
Perfect for Delta’s A223s.

Yeah - perfect kind of route for DL to set some money on fire for fun: flying between two oneworld hubs!


Why don’t you bring up the tired “provincial Portlanders won’t go to South Florida“ argument?


You keep saying DL will launch MIA-PDX just because of the A220 and because you prefer DL over AA (even though AS would be the most obvious candidate to operate it).
That is not how route planning works, wishful thinking does not make routes viable.


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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:17 pm

DBCoop3r wrote:
PavlovsDog wrote:
It would make sense to transition the heavily constrained Sea-Tac hub to focus more heavily on high yield O/D and let Portland take a lot of the transfer passengers. That way AS/AA can both grow and increase their yield while building up a strong hub at PDX which is probably going to continue to grow in population and prominence.

If AS starts giving up gates at SEA they are done for.
I never said anything about gates. Just the passengers. The idea is to milk the rich and getting richer SEA market while moving transfer passengers and growth to PDX which is less constrained.

If you can have a Sea-Tac O/D passenger fill seats on both legs at a higher yield than a transfer passenger you fly that same passenger through PDX instead. For instance let's say Alaska can sell a ticket today Calgary - San Jose round trip for $300. If they could sell those same seats at $200 Calgary - Seattle and $200 San Jose - Seattle instead and inscease flights and connectivity through Portland instead they can make more money and continue to grow.
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:14 pm

They should just focus on Seattle. That's where they make money.
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:11 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
They should just focus on Seattle. That's where they make money.
I believe that's already happening..Looking at AS 2020 summer schedule, several regional routes out of PDX have been reduced at PDX in support of building up their main Sea hub.......
 
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:24 pm

lhpdx wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
They should just focus on Seattle. That's where they make money.
I believe that's already happening..Looking at AS 2020 summer schedule, several regional routes out of PDX have been reduced at PDX in support of building up their main Sea hub.......


It is a little too early for doom and gloom. They could also be reduced because they are running the regional ops out of a make shift tent at the end of C since A no longer exists and they just can't process the same number of flights. If the numbers are still the same once the new section of B is open, then doom and gloom might be justified.
 
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 6:25 pm

gmcc wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
They should just focus on Seattle. That's where they make money.
I believe that's already happening..Looking at AS 2020 summer schedule, several regional routes out of PDX have been reduced at PDX in support of building up their main Sea hub.......


It is a little too early for doom and gloom. They could also be reduced because they are running the regional ops out of a make shift tent at the end of C since A no longer exists and they just can't process the same number of flights. If the numbers are still the same once the new section of B is open, then doom and gloom might be justified.


I completely forgot about that..Good point.............
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:31 pm

jbpdx wrote:
vadodara wrote:
With AA partnership, there will already be a suite of flights to AA E Coast hubs.


This is the extent of American’s presence at PDX:
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1 daily to CLT
1 daily to PHL, June—October


Probably expect to see MIA roll in.

Perhaps RDU, AUS
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:53 pm

PavlovsDog wrote:
DBCoop3r wrote:
PavlovsDog wrote:
It would make sense to transition the heavily constrained Sea-Tac hub to focus more heavily on high yield O/D and let Portland take a lot of the transfer passengers. That way AS/AA can both grow and increase their yield while building up a strong hub at PDX which is probably going to continue to grow in population and prominence.

If AS starts giving up gates at SEA they are done for.
I never said anything about gates. Just the passengers.


Sorry I should have been more specific, SEA gate allocation algorithm is based on the number of boardings each airline has. So if AS gives up passengers, they give up gates. If they give up gates at SEA, we all know that DL will finish them off
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:18 am

AS has a plan for PDX. I can’t elaborate further right now, but expect to hear more down the line.
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:23 am

EA CO AS wrote:
AS has a plan for PDX. I can’t elaborate further right now, but expect to hear more down the line.


That sounds like good news to my ears... Thank you for the update EA CO AS!!!
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:24 am

EA CO AS wrote:
AS has a plan for PDX. I can’t elaborate further right now, but expect to hear more down the line.


Are we talking 2020/early 2021 plan or post-concourse B and E plan?

AS has shown time and time again that they are committed to PDX when the resources are available. The problem is just resources being available.
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:26 am

PDXexpress wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
AS has a plan for PDX. I can’t elaborate further right now, but expect to hear more down the line.


That sounds like good news to my ears... Thank you for the update EA CO AS!!!

What if the plan is to reduce service?
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 1:42 am

jbpdx wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
In addition to your list, I could also see Helena, MT, and summer seasonal to Fairbanks on the west coast.......


I didn’t think of Fairbanks. Alaska does 4x/—5x/daily SEA-FAI and zero to PDX. That sounds about par for the course :thumbsdown: . And Delta flies it too.

Will Alaska continue PDX-ORD and PDX-DFW or will they leave that to AA and shift to fill other routes? Besides South Florida, the most unserved area of the US is the wider Ohio Valley region.


AS flew PDX-FAI several years back. I would have to imagine that if the flights were full they would still offer the service. Alaska, like any business, likes money.
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 6:22 am

9Patch wrote:
PDXexpress wrote:
EA CO AS wrote:
AS has a plan for PDX. I can’t elaborate further right now, but expect to hear more down the line.


That sounds like good news to my ears... Thank you for the update EA CO AS!!!

What if the plan is to reduce service?



Wow, you truly know how to kill a man dream...I do hope that AS plan for PDX is about growth, not a reduction of service out of Portland......
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:45 pm

I don't see AS scaling back in PDX, at least not significantly. I think joining OneWorld (OW)increases the chance of an eventual MIA flight, timed for connections on AA. AS service to other AA hubs may also see improvements to better work with domestic and international connections. I also think other OW carriers will look slightly more favourably at PDX as an option to add to their route map and benefit from AS feed. If DL ever decides PDX isn't worth it for them, I would expect other OW carriers to partially fill that hole, particularly JAL, maybe others as well.
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:59 pm

People should stop freaking out about AS at PDX. The growth at SEA will slow down at some point just given the lack of gate space. They had to upgauge a bunch of flights to mainline and add more flights this summer to keep their shares of gates. At some point, they will be able to grow other markets again. Probably sooner than you think. PDX seems like the easiest market they can add flights and be profitable. Anywhere in Cali is a bloodbath for them. They don't control Point of sale in PDX as much as they do in SEA. Seems to me the best strategy for AS after SEA grow is to buildout PDX. Then, it would have 3 markets where it completely dominates market share. And 2 of them would face no concentrated threat from another carrier. Good place to be.

btw, if any other carrier wants to grow in West Coast. PDX at the moment seems like the best opportunity to me.
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:02 pm

ASFlyer wrote:
jbpdx wrote:
lhpdx wrote:
In addition to your list, I could also see Helena, MT, and summer seasonal to Fairbanks on the west coast.......


I didn’t think of Fairbanks. Alaska does 4x/—5x/daily SEA-FAI and zero to PDX. That sounds about par for the course :thumbsdown: . And Delta flies it too.

Will Alaska continue PDX-ORD and PDX-DFW or will they leave that to AA and shift to fill other routes? Besides South Florida, the most unserved area of the US is the wider Ohio Valley region.


AS flew PDX-FAI several years back. I would have to imagine that if the flights were full they would still offer the service. Alaska, like any business, likes money.


PDX-FAI was whacked when Delta started SEA-FAI. It would be a good E175 route if AS ever decides to send those birds north. Anecdotal, but I fly PDX-FAI several times a year and always have fellow passengers connecting in either SEA or ANC.
 
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Fri Feb 28, 2020 5:35 pm

Chugach wrote:
ASFlyer wrote:
jbpdx wrote:

I didn’t think of Fairbanks. Alaska does 4x/—5x/daily SEA-FAI and zero to PDX. That sounds about par for the course :thumbsdown: . And Delta flies it too.

Will Alaska continue PDX-ORD and PDX-DFW or will they leave that to AA and shift to fill other routes? Besides South Florida, the most unserved area of the US is the wider Ohio Valley region.


AS flew PDX-FAI several years back. I would have to imagine that if the flights were full they would still offer the service. Alaska, like any business, likes money.


PDX-FAI was whacked when Delta started SEA-FAI. It would be a good E175 route if AS ever decides to send those birds north. Anecdotal, but I fly PDX-FAI several times a year and always have fellow passengers connecting in either SEA or ANC.


Only thing I can see against an E175 on the route would be cargo capacity. From everything I have found, what I am about to say wouldn't happen but a reconfigured 319 would seem like a better match for the route given it's better cargo capacity vs the 175.
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

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ASFlyer wrote:

AS flew PDX-FAI several years back. I would have to imagine that if the flights were full they would still offer the service. Alaska, like any business, likes money.


No, if AS thought they could load up Q400s PDX-SEA to help fill planes from there to FAI (or on any AS route from SEA), they’d do that. The only way to know would be to find out how many PDX passengers are connecting.

Airnerd wrote:
AS service to other AA hubs may also see improvements to better work with domestic and international connections.


Which hubs? Alaska just dropped seasonal PDX-PHL. PHX and DFW are adequately served. PDX doesn’t need AS flights to AA hubs (other than MIA, which AA or AS have shown no interest in adding) to help fill AA planes for connections, PDX needs myriad unserved nonstop routes filled, by any airline.
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

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jbpdx wrote:
ASFlyer wrote:

AS flew PDX-FAI several years back. I would have to imagine that if the flights were full they would still offer the service. Alaska, like any business, likes money.


No, if AS thought they could load up Q400s PDX-SEA to help fill planes from there to FAI (or on any AS route from SEA), they’d do that. The only way to know would be to find out how many PDX passengers are connecting.

Airnerd wrote:
AS service to other AA hubs may also see improvements to better work with domestic and international connections.


Which hubs? Alaska just dropped seasonal PDX-PHL. PHX and DFW are adequately served. PDX doesn’t need AS flights to AA hubs (other than MIA, which AA or AS have shown no interest in adding) to help fill AA planes for connections, PDX needs myriad unserved nonstop routes filled, by any airline.

What are those nonstop routes? Are they viable, or just something you wish PDX would get? I am just curious, because I feel like AS has been willing to try all sorts of things out of PDX, but a lot of them have not worked. Is there demand for a MIA flight? Or other east coast cities? I don't feel like AS is just squatting on gates and blocking competition from the market. If there are high-demand routes that remain unserved, I don't think AS would ignore them.

As for other airlines, I know how much you want DL to bring the A220 into PDX and dominate AS, but I think it ignores the fact that DL is currently fighting a lot of battles right now in a number of cities and doesn't have the resources or the need at the moment to do add PDX to the list.
 
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Re: Alaska future in Portland 2020

Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:49 pm

The OAG thread this morning had over 60 changes for AS coming this summer and fall; I believe I counted 19 changes to PDX routes -- that's pretty close to 1/3 of those total changes. They were pretty evenly split with about 10 increases in frequency and about 10 decreases in frequency. Some are seasonal of course but some may or may not be.

It looks to me like AS continues to search for their 'happy place' at their second largest hub as routes and capacity seem to be constantly added and subtracted.

Regarding the much sought after (on A.net at least) route to south Florida, it seems to me that there are just too many cx around that serve the 3 cities involved -- PDX, FLL and MIA -- for not even one of them to have jumped into that void, including (especially) AS. There must be a good reason for everyone to be saying, "no thanks" and using their resources elsewhere. I know PDX went thru the same thing for years with MCO and they finally got it and they will get south Florida too, someday.

I'm as anxious as everyone else to see that infamous "5-year plan" of AS to be rolled out further, and I don't think we'll have to wait all that long for it to happen. I'm sure there will be some great things for PDX as there is no doubt that AS and PDX will grow together in the future. Whether it will be a total, massive, game changer for the airline or the airport in Portland, or just some new routes added at PDX, I'm sure it will make lots of folks here on A.net happy!

In the meantime, I think AS is trying to get to that "happy place" of growing their presence at PDX while keeping their operation there as profitable as possible.

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