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SkyKG leases Tu-204

Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:35 pm

Kyrgyz airline SkyKG has leased two Tu-204s from the Ilyushin Finance Company. If they are successfully operated, they will be the largest aircraft ever operated by a passenger Kyrgyz airline.

http://www.rusaviainsider.com/kyrgyzsta ... irst-time/
What do you think?

I personally think that this doesn't make sense. SkyKG has operated Boeing 707s, BAC 1-11, and Il-18.
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Kyrgyzstan introduces Tupolev Tu-204s for the first time

Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:52 am

But after reading this new, all seems a lil bit shadowy and fishy...so, lets hope and see, but its seems something here does not match at the end ???
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Re: Kyrgyzstan introduces Tupolev Tu-204s for the first time

Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:36 am

Adding to that the two frames were stored in Air Koryo livery for the past 4 months or so
 
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Re: SkyKG leases Tu-204

Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:20 am

Looks like they are indeed being delivered to Air Koryo to operate new routes to Dalian and Macau
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Re: SkyKG leases Tu-204

Wed Feb 12, 2020 11:13 am

cedarjet wrote:
Looks like they are indeed being delivered to Air Koryo to operate new routes to Dalian and Macau


Source?

Or are you thinking that this is a deal where Kyrgyzstan leases the aircraft and then re-leases them wet to Koryo?
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Re: SkyKG leases Tu-204

Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:23 pm

Being discussed, with references, over in the Air Koryo thread.
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Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:05 pm

According to this Instagram page (I know, I know), JS will introduce 2 ex Red Wings Tupolev Tu-204 through a shell company name SkyKG Airlines. It appears both already wears the basic JS livery.

https://www.instagram.com/p/B9CgmRFoBKJ ... 6jn42umuy9

Does anyone have more info on this?
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:17 pm

Google turned up this:

http://www.rusaviainsider.com/kyrgyzsta ... irst-time/

The SkyKG Tu-204 development has come as a surprise to the aviation community for several reasons, not the least because of Red Wings’ decision to abandon Tu-204 operations as they closed-in on their airframe time limits. It is unclear how the operation of such inefficient, geriatric aircraft could be economically justified in Kyrgyzstan.

Secondly, both aircraft arrived at Mineralnye Vody airport a year ago where they were painted into the corporate colours of Air Koryo, a North Korean airline that already has two Tu-204s in its fleet. What happened to that arrangement remains uncertain.
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:23 pm

So aircraft are going to be leased to JS? And based in Manas airport which is also an american army overseas airbase? That sounds fishy...
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:43 pm

SR380 wrote:
So aircraft are going to be leased to JS? And based in Manas airport which is also an american army overseas airbase? That sounds fishy...


US has been out of Manas since 2014.
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Wed Feb 26, 2020 8:47 pm

ILikeTrains wrote:
SR380 wrote:
So aircraft are going to be leased to JS? And based in Manas airport which is also an american army overseas airbase? That sounds fishy...


US has been out of Manas since 2014.


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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:10 pm

SR380 wrote:
So aircraft are going to be leased to JS? And based in Manas airport which is also an american army overseas airbase? That sounds fishy...

Air Koryo’s base is Pyongyang, not Manas (you mean Bishkek). And just because the “American Army” have a few KC-135s at the airport (or used to) does not preclude a sovereign nation (Kyrgyzstan) from perusing its own commercial interests, which in this case is facilitating the sale of a couple of airliners to Korea.
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:20 pm

Air Koryo has had for some time a TU-204-300 built in 1993. reg number P-6322. It is an EX VNUKOVO aircraft which was registered RA-64012.
I found under rizjets.net that Air Koryo has a TU-204-100B registered P-633. which was NTU by Red Wings registered RA-64048 with a delivery date of 04/03/22013.
I cannot find the second aircraft.. :old:
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:29 pm

cedarjet wrote:
SR380 wrote:
So aircraft are going to be leased to JS? And based in Manas airport which is also an american army overseas airbase? That sounds fishy...

Air Koryo’s base is Pyongyang, not Manas (you mean Bishkek). And just because the “American Army” have a few KC-135s at the airport (or used to) does not preclude a sovereign nation (Kyrgyzstan) from perusing its own commercial interests, which in this case is facilitating the sale of a couple of airliners to Korea.



Sorry if I messed up geography. The airline is indeed Kyrgyz, but the planes are said to be stationed in Manas. Judging at the sanctions, you could imagine them seizing the aircraft.
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Wed Feb 26, 2020 9:35 pm

NWAROOSTER wrote:
Air Koryo has had for some time a TU-204-300 built in 1993. reg number P-6322. It is an EX VNUKOVO aircraft which was registered RA-64012.
I found under rizjets.net that Air Koryo has a TU-204-100B registered P-633. which was NTU by Red Wings registered RA-64048 with a delivery date of 04/03/22013.
I cannot find the second aircraft.. :old:


They are still flying P-632 which was a Tu-204-100 that was converted in the 300 series, and P-633 which is the 100 series. Both are still active at least when I last visited Pyongyang. Due to COVI19 all air traffic has been suspended. They did the same during the SRAS epidemic. The government told the local population that kimchi, a typical local meal, is what save them from getting infected...
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:32 pm

NWAROOSTER wrote:
Air Koryo has had for some time a TU-204-300 built in 1993. reg number P-6322. It is an EX VNUKOVO aircraft which was registered RA-64012.
I found under rizjets.net that Air Koryo has a TU-204-100B registered P-633. which was NTU by Red Wings registered RA-64048 with a delivery date of 04/03/22013.
I cannot find the second aircraft.. :old:


The Tu-204-300 started it's life as an original Tu-204, not even the -100 model, so when it was converted to -300, after sitting around for nearly 15 years it is considered a new built and the airframe life was "reset". That's what I was told.

Makes sense too...I mean it was totally disassembled, shortened and rebuilt.
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:40 pm

Is there any way to get the hours and cycles on their IL-62M'S,TU-154B'S and TU-134'S? From watching youtube videos on JS tours they seem to be well maintained.
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Thu Feb 27, 2020 4:14 pm

All right, I'm confused.
The title and OP suggests that Air Koryo (JS) - which we all know to be North Korea's state owned airline - is leasing the 2 Tu-204's.

But the article is about a different airline (SkyKG, based in Kyrgyzstan) purchasing the 204's, for use to tourist destinations in what is effectively a start-up. The only reference to JS is that the 204's were painted in JS colours at some point, and that it was unclear as to what had happened to JS's (presumed?) purchase (lease?).

Is the suggestion that the the purchase by SkyKG is a sham, that the aircraft are really going to JS?
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:11 pm

YYZYYT wrote:
All right, I'm confused.
The title and OP suggests that Air Koryo (JS) - which we all know to be North Korea's state owned airline - is leasing the 2 Tu-204's.

But the article is about a different airline (SkyKG, based in Kyrgyzstan) purchasing the 204's, for use to tourist destinations in what is effectively a start-up. The only reference to JS is that the 204's were painted in JS colours at some point, and that it was unclear as to what had happened to JS's (presumed?) purchase (lease?).

Is the suggestion that the the purchase by SkyKG is a sham, that the aircraft are really going to JS?


It is indeed a bit strange. It have been sold to SkyKG and will mostly be leased to JS. Or even maybe sold. I am guessing they are telling all details so far...
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:28 pm

How isnt krygyztan punished for violating UN sanctions?
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:24 am

NWAROOSTER wrote:
Air Koryo has had for some time a TU-204-300 built in 1993. reg number P-6322. It is an EX VNUKOVO aircraft which was registered RA-64012.
I found under rizjets.net that Air Koryo has a TU-204-100B registered P-633. which was NTU by Red Wings registered RA-64048 with a delivery date of 04/03/22013.
I cannot find the second aircraft.. :old:


Actually many of the Tu-204s and Il-96s used air-frames of older aircraft that were stored for example P-632 used the air frame of a 1993 build early series Tu-204 standard frame. In 2007 the fuselage was used to build the current TU-204-300 that is P-632.
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Tue Apr 07, 2020 8:18 am

So I don't know how the current situation will impact JS, and SkyKG Airlines's plan, but according to this article, the 2 airframe now registers EX-20401 and EX-20402 are suppose to enter service this summer:

https://centreforaviation.com/news/skyk ... ort-975671

If they were to support the current fleet to increase PEK flights, I doubt this will happen. Personally I expect this aircraft to replace the Il-62 flying to VVO, and eventually replace the Tu-154 flying domestic.

The new Wonsan Kalma beach resort should also be opening this summer. Kim Jon Un wanted this place to be what's Varadero in Cuba, with thousand of Chinese tourists coming for cheap holidays. Maybe then intended to use those two planes to fly directly from WOS to China?

I guess it's wait and see...
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Tue Apr 07, 2020 9:31 am

Can JS do the same thing with Western-airframes?
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:02 am

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Can JS do the same thing with Western-airframes?


Of course. The North Korean Air Force got hold of 87 MD-500s that way.

Bit it doesn't really make sense for Air Koryo to do so, getting hold of spares will be too bothersome.
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:43 am

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Can JS do the same thing with Western-airframes?


Of course. The North Korean Air Force got hold of 87 MD-500s that way.

Bit it doesn't really make sense for Air Koryo to do so, getting hold of spares will be too bothersome.

They have tried (and been brought unstuck) with some smaller aircraft: https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/967243 ... orth-korea

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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Tue Apr 07, 2020 11:58 am

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VSMUT wrote:
Antaras wrote:
Can JS do the same thing with Western-airframes?


Of course. The North Korean Air Force got hold of 87 MD-500s that way.

Bit it doesn't really make sense for Air Koryo to do so, getting hold of spares will be too bothersome.

They have tried (and been brought unstuck) with some smaller aircraft: https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/967243 ... orth-korea

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I think that there are some hidden rules that prevent JS from getting Western airframes. If it is possible then I guess that JS have been taken up a bunch of Airbuses and Boeings from Vietnamese, Chinese or/and Russian carriers.
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:56 pm

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VSMUT wrote:

Of course. The North Korean Air Force got hold of 87 MD-500s that way.

Bit it doesn't really make sense for Air Koryo to do so, getting hold of spares will be too bothersome.

They have tried (and been brought unstuck) with some smaller aircraft: https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/967243 ... orth-korea

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I think that there are some hidden rules that prevent JS from getting Western airframes. If it is possible then I guess that JS have been taken up a bunch of Airbuses and Boeings from Vietnamese, Chinese or/and Russian carriers.


Highly doubtful. It is one thing to seek specialist military aircraft to infiltrate your mortal enemy. It's an entirely different prospect keeping an airliner airborne on a daily basis with regular flights outside North Korea. They don't even have pilots trained on the types and couldn't even send them to a simulator anywhere. No engineers either.

Going to the black market every time you need a spare part for your 737NG or A320 is going to be awfully expensive. The Tu-204 is going to be cheaper overall.
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:18 am

According to NK News the 2 Tu-204 are still on the ground at Mineralnye Vody. Good article about the opacity of the transaction with many companies involved: IFC, S7 Technik, SkyKG airlines, etc...

https://www.nknews.org/2020/06/north-ko ... sanctions/
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Tue Jul 07, 2020 12:14 pm

I would love to see Air Koryo one day as they are a rare sight for many spotters. A bit off topic, but can't Air Koryo afford to pay for the new Russian MC-21 as replacement for their TU204 fleet? I guess the Chinese new generation aircraft (ARJ21, C919) are out of the question?

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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:30 pm

A388 wrote:
I would love to see Air Koryo one day as they are a rare sight for many spotters. A bit off topic, but can't Air Koryo afford to pay for the new Russian MC-21 as replacement for their TU204 fleet? I guess the Chinese new generation aircraft (ARJ21, C919) are out of the question?

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I would not rule out Air Koryo buying or leasing one or two ARJ-21s.
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:35 pm

A388 wrote:
I would love to see Air Koryo one day as they are a rare sight for many spotters. A bit off topic, but can't Air Koryo afford to pay for the new Russian MC-21 as replacement for their TU204 fleet? I guess the Chinese new generation aircraft (ARJ21, C919) are out of the question?

A388


The MC-21, ARJ21, and C919 are all dependent on Western (and more specifically U.S.) components like avionics, engines, hydraulics, actuators, etc. The manufacturers can't sell to the DPRK as their U.S. suppliers would be forced to end their business relationships akin to how Google can't do business with Huawei. Even if JS could buy newer aircraft from Russia or China, they'd still have problems sourcing spares for those systems -- again because they're made by companies subject to U.S. or U.N. restrictions on trade with the DPRK.

I also doubt the ARJ21 is anywhere near as reliable as the Russian aircraft in the JS fleet.

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The Tu-204-300 started it's life as an original Tu-204, not even the -100 model, so when it was converted to -300, after sitting around for nearly 15 years it is considered a new built and the airframe life was "reset". That's what I was told.

Makes sense too...I mean it was totally disassembled, shortened and rebuilt.


That's a bit disturbing. It's not as if a disassembly and reassembly wipes out things like wear or metal fatigue.
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:35 pm

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I would love to see Air Koryo one day as they are a rare sight for many spotters. A bit off topic, but can't Air Koryo afford to pay for the new Russian MC-21 as replacement for their TU204 fleet? I guess the Chinese new generation aircraft (ARJ21, C919) are out of the question?

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They have managed to lease Tu-204 and An-148. They could also lease MC-21 (on what termes that's another questions).
 
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Tue Jul 07, 2020 6:34 pm

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Makes sense too...I mean it was totally disassembled, shortened and rebuilt.


That's a bit disturbing. It's not as if a disassembly and reassembly wipes out things like wear or metal fatigue.


Russian standard desing philosophy at that time was mostly safe life so after a certain amount of cycles or flight hours (typically much lower than in western counterparts) some crucial parts are replaced, even on the main structure. With that, one can actually "rebuild the frame to zero hours" several times. No one scraps a Tu-204 after 8000 cycles because it is "worn out" but rather because western, damage tolerant designed airplanes are cheaper to maintain over their lifetime, than the extensive maintenance needed for the soviet era heavy metal.
 
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:26 pm

The two Tu-204 are now wearing the SkyKG airlines livery. They are both still stored in Mineralnye Vody.I believe these are just stickers and can be removed easily. what are you though on this. Did the deal fall through because of COVID-19? Or was it never intended for this airline to sell the aircraft to JS? Pictures available: https://russianplanes.net/id267956Cheers!
 
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Fri Jul 10, 2020 4:41 pm

SR380 wrote:
The two Tu-204 are now wearing the SkyKG airlines livery. They are both still stored in Mineralnye Vody.I believe these are just stickers and can be removed easily. what are you though on this. Did the deal fall through because of COVID-19? Or was it never intended for this airline to sell the aircraft to JS? Pictures available: https://russianplanes.net/id267956Cheers!


Perhaps the deal feel through because the authorities had become too aware too early of what was going on. I mean here at A.net we've known about it for 4 months or so which to me means you would think the relevant authorities would be aware as well. It is my understanding that the deal itself was not actually legal. COVID, of course, may have played a role in it as well.
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Re: Air Koryo (JS) introduce 2 extra Tu-204 through shell company

Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:03 pm

"From the demand side" it is certainly smart for them to acquire some entirely non-western aircraft with non-western engines and avionics. And the size is what they would need.

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