https://simpleflying.com/china-airlines-renaming/

Because of the name confusion, several governments have actually included China Airlines in their list of banned Chinese airlines in an attempt to halt the spread of the coronavirus.

Don't change it to Alitalia then.

Should have happened a long time ago.

Good luck with that.

This may be Tsai's last chance to declare Taiwanese independence, while the mainland is distracted by COVID-19 and before the PLAN gets its carrier groups up-and-running. A good opening salvo is indeed renaming China Airlines and Chunghwa Telecom to Taiwan Airlines and Taiwan Telecom.

But this is probably not the forum for that discussion.

sincx wrote:

This may be Tsai's last chance to declare Taiwanese independence, while the mainland is distracted by COVID-19 and before the PLAN gets its carrier groups up-and-running. A good opening salvo is indeed renaming China Airlines and Chunghwa Telecom to Taiwan Airlines and Taiwan Telecom.

But this is probably not the forum for that discussion.

Is Chunghwa, the Chinese pronunciation of China?

edealinfo wrote:

sincx wrote:

This may be Tsai's last chance to declare Taiwanese independence, while the mainland is distracted by COVID-19 and before the PLAN gets its carrier groups up-and-running. A good opening salvo is indeed renaming China Airlines and Chunghwa Telecom to Taiwan Airlines and Taiwan Telecom.

But this is probably not the forum for that discussion.

Is Chunghwa, the Chinese pronunciation of China?

It’s more like “nation” in the lakers nation kind of way if that makes any sense. It’s not how you say China which is zhong guo depending on how you romanize it.

edealinfo wrote:

sincx wrote:

This may be Tsai's last chance to declare Taiwanese independence, while the mainland is distracted by COVID-19 and before the PLAN gets its carrier groups up-and-running. A good opening salvo is indeed renaming China Airlines and Chunghwa Telecom to Taiwan Airlines and Taiwan Telecom.

But this is probably not the forum for that discussion.

Is Chunghwa, the Chinese pronunciation of China?

It's more a generic term meaning Greater China area, people, culture etc. Not limited by political and geographical boundaries. Just like Australasia is not really limited to Australia.

Michael

exmike wrote:

edealinfo wrote:

sincx wrote:

This may be Tsai's last chance to declare Taiwanese independence, while the mainland is distracted by COVID-19 and before the PLAN gets its carrier groups up-and-running. A good opening salvo is indeed renaming China Airlines and Chunghwa Telecom to Taiwan Airlines and Taiwan Telecom.

But this is probably not the forum for that discussion.

Is Chunghwa, the Chinese pronunciation of China?

It’s more like “nation” in the lakers nation kind of way if that makes any sense. It’s not how you say China which is zhong guo depending on how you romanize it.

Why is it it so difficult to change China Airlines to Taiwan Airlines? I know a few Taiwanese who feel insulted when they are referred to as Chinese and if this is a general sense within the whole country of Taiwan, why didn't they change the name a long time ago? Heck, even China would be happy they changed the name. So wouldn't a change of name be a WIN-WIN for both sides?

delimit wrote:

Don't change it to Alitalia then.

poor Alitalia. It was already battered before the coronavirus, and now because of the virus, it might be the straw that breaks the camel's back. They survived through years of turbulence but it would be weird if the caronavirus is the final nail.

edealinfo wrote:

exmike wrote:

edealinfo wrote:

Is Chunghwa, the Chinese pronunciation of China?

It’s more like “nation” in the lakers nation kind of way if that makes any sense. It’s not how you say China which is zhong guo depending on how you romanize it.

Why is it it so difficult to change China Airlines to Taiwan Airlines? I know a few Taiwanese who feel insulted when they are referred to as Chinese and if this is a general sense within the whole country of Taiwan, why didn't they change the name a long time ago? Heck, even China would be happy they changed the name. So wouldn't a change of name be a WIN-WIN for both sides?

The PRoC likes to pretend Taiwan is part of it. Calling anything Taiwan is a more subtle way of highlighting their independence. China gets snitty about it.

edealinfo wrote:

https://simpleflying.com/china-airlines-renaming/

Because of the name confusion, several governments have actually included China Airlines in their list of banned Chinese airlines in an attempt to halt the spread of the coronavirus.

Since they're from Taiwan? then go with Taiwanese Airways LTD. with the slogan? We're the Other China!

This is just another confirmation of the irrational and knee-jerk reaction of governments around the World when it comes to dealing with the virus.

When in doubt... panic.

Vietnam banned CI was a mistake.....
...so why Starlux, Eva, and FAT were also banned LOL @SimpleFlying.
[Remember, Vietnam banned the whole of Taiwan]

This is the perfect opportunity to quickly rebrand.

I don't see the problem. Taiwan is the name of the island as well as the country, so calling it Taiwan Airlines isn't really making a statement about independence either way.

Is CI run by Government like others in SE Asia?

The name carries a lot of historical significance.

The only petition needed is the one in which we ask for the removal of those idiots governments and this overreacting madness.

delimit wrote:

edealinfo wrote:

exmike wrote:

It’s more like “nation” in the lakers nation kind of way if that makes any sense. It’s not how you say China which is zhong guo depending on how you romanize it.

Why is it it so difficult to change China Airlines to Taiwan Airlines? I know a few Taiwanese who feel insulted when they are referred to as Chinese and if this is a general sense within the whole country of Taiwan, why didn't they change the name a long time ago? Heck, even China would be happy they changed the name. So wouldn't a change of name be a WIN-WIN for both sides?

The PRoC likes to pretend Taiwan is part of it. Calling anything Taiwan is a more subtle way of highlighting their independence. China gets snitty about it.

I always thought Taiwan thought it was the true government of China, as that’s where they all went after mao chased them out?

A couple of facts worth considering:

- the name of the "country" is not Taiwan, but Republic of China (ROC)
- in sports and other instances sometimes the name Chinese Taipei is used
- the "country" is not a traditional country, even though it is most often treated so
- to simplify the issue a little, the PRC (Mainland China) considers Taiwan to be its province and the ROC considers itself to be the only "real" China
- to simplify further, the KMT (the party that evacuated with about 2 million followers and their leader Chiang Kai-shek to Taiwan in the late 1940s) holds on to the view that the real Chinese government is in Taipei, while the DPP wants to emphasize a Taiwanese identity and eventually achieve independence
- these parties have during the last two decades taken turns to have the majority in the parliament and hold the presidency

So, to just change the name of the airline to something that includes the name "Taiwan" is not a simple matter. It would certainly anger the PRC and be considered a step towards official independence. The ROC has, of course, been de facto independent for decades.

strfyr51 wrote:

edealinfo wrote:

https://simpleflying.com/china-airlines-renaming/

Because of the name confusion, several governments have actually included China Airlines in their list of banned Chinese airlines in an attempt to halt the spread of the coronavirus.

Since they're from Taiwan? then go with Taiwanese Airways LTD. with the slogan? We're the Other China!

"We are the good China"

Best regards
Thomas

EricAY05 wrote:

- to simplify the issue a little, the PRC (Mainland China) considers Taiwan to be its province and the ROC considers itself to be the only "real" China

In Fairness: they are perfectly willing to give that up, but the PRC would likely considering the required change of the constitution an declaration of independence = war.

Best regards
Thomas

Think they'd have beter chance of going Blossom Airlines or similar.

Renaming to Taiwan Airlines would probably cause massive issues with Beijing unless they had pretty strong permission.

Plenty of soft sanctions (like Beijing has done previously) could seriously harm both China Airlines and subs Mandarin Airlines and Tiger Taiwan.

How much of this is actual legitimate confusion vs countries wanting to appease China by treating Taiwan in a similar fashion as the PRC?

Changing it to Taiwan Airlines is not that easy or simple. PRC doesn’t like the idea of Taiwan (Republic of China, hence the name) being independent (even though they effectively are) so they will likely ban the airline from flying to Mainland Chinese airports.

If China Airlines were to change their name then Taipei Airlines would likely be a less provocative option.

EricAY05 wrote:

A couple of facts worth considering:

- the name of the "country" is not Taiwan, but Republic of China (ROC)
- in sports and other instances sometimes the name Chinese Taipei is used
- the "country" is not a traditional country, even though it is most often treated so
- to simplify the issue a little, the PRC (Mainland China) considers Taiwan to be its province and the ROC considers itself to be the only "real" China
- to simplify further, the KMT (the party that evacuated with about 2 million followers and their leader Chiang Kai-shek to Taiwan in the late 1940s) holds on to the view that the real Chinese government is in Taipei, while the DPP wants to emphasize a Taiwanese identity and eventually achieve independence
- these parties have during the last two decades taken turns to have the majority in the parliament and hold the presidency

So, to just change the name of the airline to something that includes the name "Taiwan" is not a simple matter. It would certainly anger the PRC and be considered a step towards official independence. The ROC has, of course, been de facto independent for decades.

A much more in-depth read on the complex relationship between mainland China and Taiwan can be read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political ... _of_Taiwan

The time to rebrand would be after the virus is eliminated. I don't think Taiwan is out of the woods. Why associate "Taiwan" Airlines with the aftermath of travel skepticism for months beyond.

Polot wrote:

How much of this is actual legitimate confusion vs countries wanting to appease China by treating Taiwan in a similar fashion as the PRC?

Bingo.

TYWoolman wrote:

The time to rebrand would be after the virus is eliminated. I don't think Taiwan is out of the woods. Why associate "Taiwan" Airlines with the aftermath of travel skepticism for months beyond.

Because this idea has nothing to do with COVID-19, and everything to do with the Taiwan independence movement.

edealinfo wrote:

exmike wrote:

edealinfo wrote:

Is Chunghwa, the Chinese pronunciation of China?

It’s more like “nation” in the lakers nation kind of way if that makes any sense. It’s not how you say China which is zhong guo depending on how you romanize it.

Why is it it so difficult to change China Airlines to Taiwan Airlines? I know a few Taiwanese who feel insulted when they are referred to as Chinese and if this is a general sense within the whole country of Taiwan, why didn't they change the name a long time ago? Heck, even China would be happy they changed the name. So wouldn't a change of name be a WIN-WIN for both sides?

I suggest you read the history of China Airlines. They were even banned from staying at the same airport in Japan at one time. Hence, Dynasty always remained at Narita even after 1978 when NRT opened. It took forever to get a livery change for the airline. Honestly, China should stop tampering with every country in Asia. Heck, some airline in Asia should start suing China for the Wuhan coronavirus since it has such an impact on everywhere in Asia.

The Chinese Communist Party would freak out. POOF there would go all of the routes that China Airlines operates to the mainland, over 30 destinations (some as Mandarin Airlines). I don't know how profitable those routes are, but it seems inevitable that China Airlines would take some sort of hit.

Well, in principle, if we consider that Taiwan is a region of China, then surely this should not be a problem. After all, we do have Sichuan Airlines, Tibet Airlines, why not Taiwan Airlines?

EricAY05 wrote:

A couple of facts worth considering:

- the name of the "country" is not Taiwan, but Republic of China (ROC)
- in sports and other instances sometimes the name Chinese Taipei is used
- the "country" is not a traditional country, even though it is most often treated so
- to simplify the issue a little, the PRC (Mainland China) considers Taiwan to be its province and the ROC considers itself to be the only "real" China
- to simplify further, the KMT (the party that evacuated with about 2 million followers and their leader Chiang Kai-shek to Taiwan in the late 1940s) holds on to the view that the real Chinese government is in Taipei, while the DPP wants to emphasize a Taiwanese identity and eventually achieve independence
- these parties have during the last two decades taken turns to have the majority in the parliament and hold the presidency

So, to just change the name of the airline to something that includes the name "Taiwan" is not a simple matter. It would certainly anger the PRC and be considered a step towards official independence. The ROC has, of course, been de facto independent for decades.

Republic Of China Airlines then? Don't know how EVA would react...maybe they wouldn't even care.

Maybe the petitioners are jumping the gun a bit. Historically we need to consider the source of the “virus,” Mainland China.

We also need to consider Mainland China “has issues” right now with “some” dependencies and foreign nations, which have values contrary to Mainland China’s own.

Virus in media can sometimes become a convenient “prop” to shape behavior. That is why I say this petition may be ill-advised.

China Airlines is a valuable brand for the region.

SurlyBonds wrote:

TYWoolman wrote:

The time to rebrand would be after the virus is eliminated. I don't think Taiwan is out of the woods. Why associate "Taiwan" Airlines with the aftermath of travel skepticism for months beyond.

Because this idea has nothing to do with COVID-19, and everything to do with the Taiwan independence movement.

Spot on.

Seriously those idiots cant give it a stop. The best way to shoot themselves in their feet.

Michael

SQ789 wrote:

Is CI run by Government like others in SE Asia?

The largest shareholder (34%) is the government owned China Aviation Development Foundation.

CI has a 60 year history. Changing its name is nuts.

edealinfo wrote:

https://simpleflying.com/china-airlines-renaming/

Because of the name confusion, several governments have actually included China Airlines in their list of banned Chinese airlines in an attempt to halt the spread of the coronavirus.

It should have been done long ago (some 40+ years back). Wonder why they called it China Airlines in the first place. The name has always confused me.

747megatop wrote:

It should have been done long ago (some 40+ years back). Wonder why they called it China Airlines in the first place. The name has always confused me.

Because, as many already said, Taiwan = Republic of China?

For years (Basically up until 1990-ish), Taiwan's identity is that they ARE China, and the govt in Taiwan is the sole legitimate govt of China, with the Communist regime (CCP) being occupier. That's still the KMT's doctrine.

DPP, the party that is quasi pro-independence and the party that call for Taiwan identity, was not even found until 1986 (Taiwan didn't even end its martial law until 1987). They only first got into power in 2000 (via Chen Shui-bien...and that's just b/c KMT can't get their act together). Even then, Chen is running a minority govt as the Legislative Yuen (Taiwan's Congress) is control by a coalition between KMT and People's First Party (Whose splitting of votes is how Chen got into power to begin with). DPP (Pan-Green) never even get a majority in Legislative Yuen until 2016.

Oh, and there definitely was a call to rename CI back when Chen was in power - that went nowhere. Where they succeed, though, was removing Chiang Kai-shek's name from TPE the airport, and rename it to Taoyuan International Airport.

Taiwan used to be a dictatorship just like China was. Now that it's more democratic, the idea of Taiwan ruling over mainland China, even if some kind of catastrophe happened, is ridiculous, at best there could be a reunified, democratic China.

PRC is still a dictatorship, so it can still want to rule by force people who want nothing to do with it, and has the power to at least hurt Taiwan, so things are what they are.

zakuivcustom wrote:

747megatop wrote:

Because, as many already said, Taiwan = Republic of China?

So why can't they change the country name to Taiwan?

edealinfo wrote:

zakuivcustom wrote:

747megatop wrote:

Because, as many already said, Taiwan = Republic of China?

So why can't they change the country name to Taiwan?

War

Which country has banned China Airlines (but not Eva or other Taiwanese airlines) due to coronavirus?

Seems like the VIRUS has already been REBRANDED so I do not see why the “airline” will ever have to be “rebranded” as well.

Hey, maybe time to rebrand also your topic from Carona to Corona, no..?

The legislature passed a motion to implement a name change for China Airlines. Transport ministry must now study how to differentiate the carrier internationally to avoid confusion.

Story (can use Google translate to assist)
https://udn.com/news/story/6656/4720725 ... 2artbottom

zakuivcustom wrote:

747megatop wrote:

It should have been done long ago (some 40+ years back). Wonder why they called it China Airlines in the first place. The name has always confused me.

Because, as many already said, Taiwan = Republic of China?

For years (Basically up until 1990-ish), Taiwan's identity is that they ARE China, and the govt in Taiwan is the sole legitimate govt of China, with the Communist regime (CCP) being occupier

..........and this position was supported by the USA and many other countries, with Taiwan holding the permanent seat at the UN Security Council that is today occupied by the Peoples' Republic (i.e. mainland China) from 1949 up until 1971.

LAXintl wrote:

The legislature passed a motion to implement a name change for China Airlines. Transport ministry must now study how to differentiate the carrier internationally to avoid confusion.

Story (can use Google translate to assist)
https://udn.com/news/story/6656/4720725 ... 2artbottom

Would adding the word "Taiwan" attract more international customers? I was thinking that the term should make sense in Chinese letters as well, but Taiwan isn't a native name of the island.

Suspect Taiwan Air/Airlines may also cause issues with China.

Something like Blossom Airlines (after the plum blossom logo) might be more acceptable.

If they call it Taiwan "blah", it will cause a major cross-strait crisis.

If they call it anything else (like all the other Taiwanese airlines), nobody has a problem.

JerseyFlyer wrote:

zakuivcustom wrote:

747megatop wrote:

It should have been done long ago (some 40+ years back). Wonder why they called it China Airlines in the first place. The name has always confused me.

Because, as many already said, Taiwan = Republic of China?

For years (Basically up until 1990-ish), Taiwan's identity is that they ARE China, and the govt in Taiwan is the sole legitimate govt of China, with the Communist regime (CCP) being occupier

..........and this position was supported by the USA and many other countries, with Taiwan holding the permanent seat at the UN Security Council that is today occupied by the Peoples' Republic (i.e. mainland China) from 1949 up until 1971.

Yes, I guess people don't seem to understand that Taiwanese gov't still considers itself the sole legitimate gov't of China. In fact, if you actually visit Taiwan, you'd see there is more Chinese culture there than vast majority of mainland.