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Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:53 am

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My question is how many of these changes will remain permanently? Like SYD-PER-LHR and 787 on SYD-DFW

SYD-HND is likely to remain an A330 in the long term.

I wouldn’t say long term on HND. QF will eventually up-gauge to remain competitive with the likes of NH.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:58 am

crazyplane1234 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
My question is how many of these changes will remain permanently? Like SYD-PER-LHR and 787 on SYD-DFW

SYD-HND is likely to remain an A330 in the long term.



Depends on premium loads once things start to recover, 789 would still be likely given the J, W, Y cabin like the 744 that has always flown there.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:29 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
crazyplane1234 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
My question is how many of these changes will remain permanently? Like SYD-PER-LHR and 787 on SYD-DFW

SYD-HND is likely to remain an A330 in the long term.

Depends on premium loads once things start to recover, 789 would still be likely given the J, W, Y cabin like the 744 that has always flown there.

I feel like the 789 would only really make sense if they also used it on MEL-HND, it helps with consistency, and adds another option for rotating aircraft between the two bases.

But we'll just have to wait and see.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:55 am

crazyplane1234 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
crazyplane1234 wrote:
SYD-HND is likely to remain an A330 in the long term.

Depends on premium loads once things start to recover, 789 would still be likely given the J, W, Y cabin like the 744 that has always flown there.

I feel like the 789 would only really make sense if they also used it on MEL-HND, it helps with consistency, and adds another option for rotating aircraft between the two bases.

But we'll just have to wait and see.

My thoughts exactly. Makes up for the capacity drop, provides a consistent product offering on SYD/MEL & QF will need to reintroduce W/C once the market recovers...
Question is how long until the market recovers... How long is a piece of string...


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:00 pm

EK413 wrote:
crazyplane1234 wrote:
ZK-NBT wrote:
Depends on premium loads once things start to recover, 789 would still be likely given the J, W, Y cabin like the 744 that has always flown there.

I feel like the 789 would only really make sense if they also used it on MEL-HND, it helps with consistency, and adds another option for rotating aircraft between the two bases.

But we'll just have to wait and see.

My thoughts exactly. Makes up for the capacity drop, provides a consistent product offering on SYD/MEL & QF will need to reintroduce W/C once the market recovers...
Question is how long until the market recovers... How long is a piece of string...


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And I don’t suspect a like for like recovery either. As corporate ban travel and use more digital solutions to face to face meetings, the nature of corporate travel shifts in many respects. We saw a shift away from F travel following the GFC with bans on F revalue and housefly flight restrictions placed on J that previously hadn’t been as tight - many of which I doubt were lifted.

The Japanese market is notoriously fickle and slow to recover as they are nervous travellers. I don’t see this being a quick recovery like SARS was of 6-8months.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:31 pm

Garuda Indonesia adds A330-900neo Sydney service in March 2020

Garuda Indonesia starting this week is introducing Airbus A330-900neo aircraft service on Denpasar – Sydney route, scheduled for 2-week period. From 13MAR20 to 27MAR20 (except 22MAR20 / 23MAR20 / 27MAR20 from Denpasar), the A330-900neo replace -300 on this route.

GA714 DPS2225 – 0725+1SYD 339 x24
GA715 SYD1000 – 1315DPS 339 x35

Great to see the equipment up gauge


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:51 pm

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Well fingers crossed that nothing should change to QF2 this coming Sat. Never flown a QF A380 and hoping that this should still be the case.

My slight concern is flights to SIN in end of May. Currently booked on QF to SIN with EK taking me to DXB/DUS. Haven’t seen any news about massive reductions to SIN yet unless I’ve missed it.

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QF2 changes are only effective 20 April I believe so you will still get the chance to fly QF A380

As for SIN at the end of May, I would envisage QF contacting you to discuss options if you were on QF1 SYD-SIN, otherwise they would look to move you to the other option SYD-SIN if that flight has been postponed until mid September with all the changes.

Happy for anyone to correct me


25th May it’s QF51 from my home location of BNE to SIN. Guess I’ll just have to wait and see what happens by then.

Thanks for your reply.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:05 am

Another person travelling on an Australian aircraft has tested positive for Corona. JQ727 SYD-HBA on the 8th. The aircraft is currently undergoing an extensive disinfection and will return to service following scheduled maintenance.
 
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:01 am

Qantas LF out of HKG last night 13%, 7 in business

https://twitter.com/journodannyaero/sta ... 22881?s=21
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:39 am

I would be inclined to pull the trigger & ground all flights to Hong kong & China
 
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:48 am

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I would be inclined to pull the trigger & ground all flights to Hong kong & China

Too late now. In hindsight, you may have done that a month ago but, now the virus is in the local community, it won't significantly slow the virus' spread
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:59 am

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I would be inclined to pull the trigger & ground all flights to Hong kong & China



Freight is still being loaded so that’s why it’s viable for QF. Cathay is flying passenger aircraft full of freight without passengers.
 
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:08 am

tullamarine wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
I would be inclined to pull the trigger & ground all flights to Hong kong & China

Too late now. In hindsight, you may have done that a month ago but, now the virus is in the local community, it won't significantly slow the virus' spread

I think Captdasbomb context is economic reality, not virus avoidance.
refer post #209 before.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:55 am

AVB wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
I would be inclined to pull the trigger & ground all flights to Hong kong & China



Freight is still being loaded so that’s why it’s viable for QF. Cathay is flying passenger aircraft full of freight without passengers.

Same goes for China Eastern & Southern and hence why they're resuming daily flights.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:28 pm

Thai Air Asia X has quietly pulled the pin on BNE-DMK. Services withdrawn (or suspended, not sure) from the 5th of April.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:50 pm

Being reported through the ASX that VA will be axing their remaining 5th freedom routes out of AKL (AKL-TBU & AKL-RAR) from the start of May and 21 July respectively. This is unrelated to COVID-19.

Also reported that VA will bring forward their mandatory 77W check maintenance, by reducing SYD-LAX flights to x5 weekly from May (the cutback was originally planned in July). I assume MEL and BNE will have their frequencies to LAX reduced as well.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:57 pm

Virgin Australia cuts detailed - HND, LAX, AKL

https://newsroom.virginaustralia.com/re ... 9-response
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:01 am

SCFlyer wrote:
Being reported through the ASX that VA will be axing their remaining 5th freedom routes out of AKL (AKL-TBU & AKL-RAR) from the start of May and 21 July respectively. This is unrelated to COVID-19.

Also reported that VA will bring forward their mandatory 77W check maintenance, by reducing SYD-LAX flights to x5 weekly from May (the cutback was originally planned in July). I assume MEL and BNE will have their frequencies to LAX reduced as well.


Would of though SYD,BNE,MEL-DPS would all been getting cuts too? or are the loads still strong to DPS
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:10 am

I feel bad for the Tiger crew in SYD and BNE. VA clearly aren't going to be needing more crew anytime soon, so their chances of being redeployed within the Group during the 12 month window are very low. And I sincerely doubt many, if any, other airlines will be recruiting anytime soon. Many of the flight attendants will probably leave the industry completely (although good luck getting a job anywhere else if a recession hits) but the pilots are kind of stuck.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:15 am

Looks like VA167 MEL-AKL (PM) departure from May is no longer bookable.
Expecting an email from VA soon then... the flight is no longer bookable.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:18 am

Deepinsider wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Captdasbomb wrote:
I would be inclined to pull the trigger & ground all flights to Hong kong & China

Too late now. In hindsight, you may have done that a month ago but, now the virus is in the local community, it won't significantly slow the virus' spread

I think Captdasbomb context is economic reality, not virus avoidance.
refer post #209 before.


Sucks that airlines are forced to fly empty to meet the 80% threshold to maintain a slot
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 4:42 am

Captdasbomb wrote:
Deepinsider wrote:
tullamarine wrote:
Too late now. In hindsight, you may have done that a month ago but, now the virus is in the local community, it won't significantly slow the virus' spread

I think Captdasbomb context is economic reality, not virus avoidance.
refer post #209 before.


Sucks that airlines are forced to fly empty to meet the 80% threshold to maintain a slot


Dispensation has been granted for all airports except Sydney, which is due out in the coming weeks.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:26 am

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Thai Air Asia X has quietly pulled the pin on BNE-DMK. Services withdrawn (or suspended, not sure) from the 5th of April.


This one I am not surprised. This flight was performing very poorly anyway. Even December, being a peak travel period, should have had better loads. LCCs need way better loads than what they were achieving. Probably discontinued permanently.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:43 am

:worried: The Canberra Airport Open Day scheduled for 5 April 2020 has been postponed. Source was via email.

Attendance at this event has been around 30,000 attendees so relevant with current cancellation on mass gatherings. Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-13/ ... s/12053382
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:04 pm

I was just checking in for my QF2 SIN-SYD for tomorrow (Sat 14/03) and decided to do a seat change.
Last week when on Phi Phi Island in Phuket, I encountered a less than appreciated 24 hour stomach bug. I was a bit concerned at the time and thought I’d change my seat to be closest as possible to the facilities if required. At that stage, there were just 5 seats left in business.
When checking in tonight I found there were 18 or 19 free seats now.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:31 pm

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
I was just checking in for my QF2 SIN-SYD for tomorrow (Sat 14/03) and decided to do a seat change.
Last week when on Phi Phi Island in Phuket, I encountered a less than appreciated 24 hour stomach bug. I was a bit concerned at the time and thought I’d change my seat to be closest as possible to the facilities if required. At that stage, there were just 5 seats left in business.
When checking in tonight I found there were 18 or 19 free seats now.

Cheers,
C1973


Do you have status? Those seats may have just been blocked for gold & platinums if you don’t and have opened up at check in.
 
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Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:02 pm

ben175 wrote:
Chipmunk1973 wrote:
I was just checking in for my QF2 SIN-SYD for tomorrow (Sat 14/03) and decided to do a seat change.
Last week when on Phi Phi Island in Phuket, I encountered a less than appreciated 24 hour stomach bug. I was a bit concerned at the time and thought I’d change my seat to be closest as possible to the facilities if required. At that stage, there were just 5 seats left in business.
When checking in tonight I found there were 18 or 19 free seats now.

Cheers,
C1973


Do you have status? Those seats may have just been blocked for gold & platinums if you don’t and have opened up at check in.

Hope you’ve enjoyed Phuket, quick word of advise I wouldn’t advertise the stomach bug issue whilst abroad otherwise you’ll find yourself quarantined for 14 days... at your own expense...


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Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:15 pm

ben175 wrote:
Chipmunk1973 wrote:
I was just checking in for my QF2 SIN-SYD for tomorrow (Sat 14/03) and decided to do a seat change.
Last week when on Phi Phi Island in Phuket, I encountered a less than appreciated 24 hour stomach bug. I was a bit concerned at the time and thought I’d change my seat to be closest as possible to the facilities if required. At that stage, there were just 5 seats left in business.
When checking in tonight I found there were 18 or 19 free seats now.

Cheers,
C1973


Do you have status? Those seats may have just been blocked for gold & platinums if you don’t and have opened up at check in.


Those seats are actually towards the back of the J cabin. I’d think that Gold+ would be getting the ones towards the front end.

Just as an example though, when booking an international flight recently that went via SYD, the domestic business sector only ever showed row 3 as an option on a 738. After payment, if you tried a seat change, you’d find usually an empty row 2 or maybe one seat taken.

I’d surmise that QF block off the first 8 J seats by default till they have a paid passenger for them. Probably based on expectation, upgrades for Gold +, etc.

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Fri Mar 13, 2020 1:28 pm

EK413 wrote:
Chipmunk1973 wrote:
I was just checking in for my QF2 SIN-SYD for tomorrow (Sat 14/03) and decided to do a seat change.
Last week when on Phi Phi Island in Phuket, I encountered a less than appreciated 24 hour stomach bug. I was a bit concerned at the time and thought I’d change my seat to be closest as possible to the facilities if required. At that stage, there were just 5 seats left in business.
When checking in tonight I found there were 18 or 19 free seats now.

Cheers,
C1973

Hope you’ve enjoyed Phuket, quick word of advise I wouldn’t advertise the stomach bug issue whilst abroad otherwise you’ll find yourself quarantined for 14 days... at your own expense...


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Loved Phuket. Never went to the bogan zone of Pathong, but further south to Kata Noi. Which is maybe why I loved it.
Stomach was all cleared up when we left Phi Phi, thankfully. Just annoyed that I lost a good night to sleep when I could have been at a good Mediterranean restaurant. Maybe next year.

And thanks for the heads up. :highfive:

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Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:03 pm

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
EK413 wrote:
Chipmunk1973 wrote:
I was just checking in for my QF2 SIN-SYD for tomorrow (Sat 14/03) and decided to do a seat change.
Last week when on Phi Phi Island in Phuket, I encountered a less than appreciated 24 hour stomach bug. I was a bit concerned at the time and thought I’d change my seat to be closest as possible to the facilities if required. At that stage, there were just 5 seats left in business.
When checking in tonight I found there were 18 or 19 free seats now.

Cheers,
C1973

Hope you’ve enjoyed Phuket, quick word of advise I wouldn’t advertise the stomach bug issue whilst abroad otherwise you’ll find yourself quarantined for 14 days... at your own expense...


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Loved Phuket. Never went to the bogan zone of Pathong, but further south to Kata Noi. Which is maybe why I loved it.
Stomach was all cleared up when we left Phi Phi, thankfully. Just annoyed that I lost a good night to sleep when I could have been at a good Mediterranean restaurant. Maybe next year.

And thanks for the heads up. :highfive:

Cheers,
C1973


Great to hear, I haven’t been to Phuket for well over 10 years, go to Bali a lot now as it’s much closer to home whilst visiting family.

The funny thing, tourists go to Patong Beach and claim they’ve been to Phuket not realising the beautiful beaches are not that far Karon Beach, Kata Beach & Kamala Beach to name a few.

Patong is over rated, flooded as you said it bogan zone.

We just flew back from Bali via Jakarta on QF. The load factor was low, 8 empty j/c seats & well over 100 in y/c.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:12 pm

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
ben175 wrote:
Chipmunk1973 wrote:
I was just checking in for my QF2 SIN-SYD for tomorrow (Sat 14/03) and decided to do a seat change.
Last week when on Phi Phi Island in Phuket, I encountered a less than appreciated 24 hour stomach bug. I was a bit concerned at the time and thought I’d change my seat to be closest as possible to the facilities if required. At that stage, there were just 5 seats left in business.
When checking in tonight I found there were 18 or 19 free seats now.

Cheers,
C1973


Do you have status? Those seats may have just been blocked for gold & platinums if you don’t and have opened up at check in.


Those seats are actually towards the back of the J cabin. I’d think that Gold+ would be getting the ones towards the front end.

Just as an example though, when booking an international flight recently that went via SYD, the domestic business sector only ever showed row 3 as an option on a 738. After payment, if you tried a seat change, you’d find usually an empty row 2 or maybe one seat taken.

I’d surmise that QF block off the first 8 J seats by default till they have a paid passenger for them. Probably based on expectation, upgrades for Gold +, etc.

Cheers,
C1973.


Correct. Domestic seat map only offer row 3 for selection for passengers Gold and below. Platinum can select row 2. Generally the seats open up 2 or 3 days before departure, so it's worth keeping an eye on seat selection before online check-in opens at 24 hours if you want to get a seat in row 1.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:26 am

NZ making every entrant self isolate from midnight Sunday for 14 days . Essentially banning tourists or business travellers. Will need to be more reduction of Tasman flights
 
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Sat Mar 14, 2020 4:40 am

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NZ making every entrant self isolate from midnight Sunday for 14 days . Essentially banning tourists or business travellers. Will need to be more reduction of Tasman flights


Would say effectively every Tasman flight will be canceled from Monday.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 5:40 am

Might be a few more flights getting people out of NZ, but traffic inwards is going to be very limited.

Wonder if Qantas can throw a 747 or 380 on the route tomorrow.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:46 am

Not just the local carriers, but I will take a guess that CI would make TPE-BNE-AKL just a TPE-BNE turnaround and LA would suspend the AKL stop and fly SCL-SYD non-stop. What SQ do with SIN-MEL-WLG and EK with DXB-SYD-CHC ... who knows. Wait and see!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:20 am

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NZ making every entrant self isolate from midnight Sunday for 14 days . Essentially banning tourists or business travellers. Will need to be more reduction of Tasman flights


Why not midnight tonight? Why wait a day?

And it’s easy to declare “self isolate”. It’s another thing to enforce.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:25 am

Currently, we plan to operate all Virgin Australia flights to and from New Zealand until 22 March 2020 and expect to then reduce services.
https://www.virginaustralia.com/nz/en/b ... el-alerts/


This could be VA chance to exit the Tasman without to much attention, reduce the services but never returnn.
 
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Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:01 am

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NTLDaz wrote:
NZ making every entrant self isolate from midnight Sunday for 14 days . Essentially banning tourists or business travellers. Will need to be more reduction of Tasman flights


Why not midnight tonight? Why wait a day?

And it’s easy to declare “self isolate”. It’s another thing to enforce.


Sure but do you think the average Jo is going to say I'll go to NZ and deliberately flout this. Pick up my hire car and drive around the South Island ?
 
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Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:15 am

redroo wrote:
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NZ making every entrant self isolate from midnight Sunday for 14 days . Essentially banning tourists or business travellers. Will need to be more reduction of Tasman flights


Why not midnight tonight? Why wait a day?

And it’s easy to declare “self isolate”. It’s another thing to enforce.


Well this is where travel insurance comes in though. You decide to ignore the self-isolation, drive around NZ and get involved in a car accident. Your travel insurance is voided because you broke the law by not self-isolating. Most "sensible" people will heed the directive and not travel at all.
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Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:20 am

SYDSpotter wrote:
redroo wrote:
NTLDaz wrote:
NZ making every entrant self isolate from midnight Sunday for 14 days . Essentially banning tourists or business travellers. Will need to be more reduction of Tasman flights


Why not midnight tonight? Why wait a day?

And it’s easy to declare “self isolate”. It’s another thing to enforce.


Well this is where travel insurance comes in though. You decide to ignore the self-isolation, drive around NZ and get involved in a car accident. Your travel insurance is voided because you broke the law by not self-isolating. Most "sensible" people will heed the directive and not travel at all.

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-novel-coronavirus-health-advice-general-public/covid-19-novel-coronavirus-self-isolation

What does self-isolation mean?
Self-isolation means staying away from situations where you could infect other people. This means any situation where you may come in close contact with others (face to face contact closer than 1 metre for more than 15 minutes), such as social gatherings, work, school, child care/pre-school centres, university, polytechnic and other education providers, faith-based gatherings, aged care and health care facilities, prisons, sports gatherings, restaurants and all public gatherings.

If you are a visitor to New Zealand, this means you should avoid sitting in a restaurant, or participating in any type of tour group.


Seems to be an differnece between New Zealand and Aussie take on self isolation, seems to be New Zealand is just avoid other people but you dont have to stay at home.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:31 am

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Seems to be an differnece between New Zealand and Aussie take on self isolation, seems to be New Zealand is just avoid other people but you dont have to stay at home.


On face value, I can't see how the NZ definition of "self-isolation" is going to be effective. Yes you are avoiding groups but if you are a carrier, you are bound to be come into contact with someone and spread the virus. I guess the announcement will have the impact of discouraging the majority of potential travellers so it will at least prevent the mass arrivals and hence limit the number of potential carriers.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:37 am

SYDSpotter wrote:
zkncj wrote:

Seems to be an differnece between New Zealand and Aussie take on self isolation, seems to be New Zealand is just avoid other people but you dont have to stay at home.


On face value, I can't see how the NZ definition of "self-isolation" is going to be effective. Yes you are avoiding groups but if you are a carrier, you are bound to be come into contact with someone and spread the virus. I guess the announcement will have the impact of discouraging the majority of potential travellers so it will at least prevent the mass arrivals and hence limit the number of potential carriers.


Valid point but given thus announcement - how many people to you think are going to proactively come to NZ? It will massively cut the number of arrivals and therefore decreasing the risk just by that alone. I guess flights will start to be scaled back from say Wednesday or so.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:42 am

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NZ making every entrant self isolate from midnight Sunday for 14 days . Essentially banning tourists or business travellers. Will need to be more reduction of Tasman flights


Well thats a bugger. Scheduled to fly to NZ next Saturday. Guess that’s not happening now.

While it’s annoying from my perspective, I guess countries have to do what they think is best at this time.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:35 am

zkncj wrote:
SYDSpotter wrote:
redroo wrote:

Why not midnight tonight? Why wait a day?

And it’s easy to declare “self isolate”. It’s another thing to enforce.


Well this is where travel insurance comes in though. You decide to ignore the self-isolation, drive around NZ and get involved in a car accident. Your travel insurance is voided because you broke the law by not self-isolating. Most "sensible" people will heed the directive and not travel at all.

https://www.health.govt.nz/our-work/diseases-and-conditions/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-novel-coronavirus-health-advice-general-public/covid-19-novel-coronavirus-self-isolation

What does self-isolation mean?
Self-isolation means staying away from situations where you could infect other people. This means any situation where you may come in close contact with others (face to face contact closer than 1 metre for more than 15 minutes), such as social gatherings, work, school, child care/pre-school centres, university, polytechnic and other education providers, faith-based gatherings, aged care and health care facilities, prisons, sports gatherings, restaurants and all public gatherings.

If you are a visitor to New Zealand, this means you should avoid sitting in a restaurant, or participating in any type of tour group.


Seems to be an differnece between New Zealand and Aussie take on self isolation, seems to be New Zealand is just avoid other people but you dont have to stay at home.


Don’t get within 1m of someone for more than 15 minutes. That rules out practically everything. Buses. Trains. Shops. Work. School.

Never mind jumping on a plane - where the objective is to squeeze as many people into a metre as possible :-)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:35 pm

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Thai Air Asia X has quietly pulled the pin on BNE-DMK. Services withdrawn (or suspended, not sure) from the 5th of April.



XJ are shutting down until July because of Covid-19. They expect to resume all routes from July at this stage, including BNE.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:06 pm

Although I'd like to believe that about XJ, considering the poor load BNE loads, how deep in the red sister company D7 is, and the group now selling yearly all you can travel passes around asia (usually a last minute cash grab before things collapse) I'm highly doubtful about their July expectations.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:24 pm

Came from a Senior captain whom I know. Plans may change but that is what the airline has planned at this stage, and despite the doom and gloom about BNE they were still happy with how it was performing.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:13 pm

The XJ info would have much more weight if it came from someone senior in Commercial Dept.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:24 pm

Exactly. Not another I heard it from “a pilot.” And if Thai Air Asia X is happy with the performance of the Brisbane route, they obviously have very low expectations. This route was due for the chopping block anyway. LCC’s do not make money with load factors less than 80%. Not one month of operations achieved this.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 10:31 pm

By the time this is all over there's a real chance some airlines won't return to Australia because they won't exist anymore. IMO the only way you get through this is having deep pockets or government bailouts. That's not going to happen everywhere.
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