I was on last nights QF2 from SIN-SYD. Captain made mention of about 350 pax on board which by my rough math is about 72%. BIZ was almost full, PE was almost full.

Didn’t venture downstairs for a look however.

Cheers,
C1973

Morrison just announced NZ type isolation for international arrivals.

NTLDaz wrote:

Morrison just announced NZ type isolation for international arrivals.

How long till VA becomes an domestic airline?

Would think bulk of international flights will be gone within the week.

Just enough to get any Australians currently overseas home.
No-one will want to visit or leave for business or tourism with a 14-day isolation

Anyone know why QF79 (mel-nrt) went via Cairns?

zkncj wrote:

NTLDaz wrote:

Morrison just announced NZ type isolation for international arrivals.

How long till VA becomes an domestic airline?

The best thing they have going for them in this situation is their international footprint is so small. Having said that domestic travel is going to take a hit as well.

NTLDaz wrote:

zkncj wrote:

NTLDaz wrote:

Morrison just announced NZ type isolation for international arrivals.

How long till VA becomes an domestic airline?

The best thing they have going for them in this situation is their international footprint is so small. Having said that domestic travel is going to take a hit as well.

Considering's VA's major partner DL is also cutting back flights, I'm tipping VA/DL may be sorting something out by gradually reducing SYD-LAX in the short/medium term to perhaps daily (or 8-9x weekly) share the pain.

Whether if the cancellations stretches to BNE or MEL is another question. As I suspect, the mandatory c-check for VA's 77Ws will definitely be brought forward, probably allowing VA/DL to adjust USA operations where needed (whether if it means parking a 77W in addition to the 77W in scheduled maintenance)

Within the space of 6 weeks, the world has become a much smaller place, especially for us Aussies & Kiwis. Bring on 2021...

AA cancels SYD-LAX flights from Wednesday this week till May. This is subject to change with the ongoing COVID-19 situation.

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ey-flights

NTLDaz wrote:

Morrison just announced NZ type isolation for international arrivals.

Silver lining: more domestic tourism, possibly where needed in the bushfire-hit regions

Anyone got any predictions what further reductions we will see announced from QF in next 24-72 hours? Given todays announcement re self-isolating.

Milesdependent wrote:

Anyone got any predictions what further reductions we will see announced from QF in next 24-72 hours? Given todays announcement re self-isolating.

I'd say all international flying will be wound up within the week unless the government requests essential service to be maintained.

myki wrote:

NTLDaz wrote:

Morrison just announced NZ type isolation for international arrivals.

Silver lining: more domestic tourism, possibly where needed in the bushfire-hit regions

All well and good. Take a look where the major outbreaks for this virus are. One thing they all have in common is cool- cold weather climates.
We are lucky at the moment it is still relatively warm. Once the cooler- cold weather hits us, will we be in the same situation?

time will tell, but if it does, we are in for a rough ride.

AN767

Qantas offering customers flexibility regarding purchased tickets due to Coronavirus

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ronavirus/

Milesdependent wrote:

Anyone got any predictions what further reductions we will see announced from QF in next 24-72 hours? Given todays announcement re self-isolating.

BNE/MEL-AKL dropped within 24hours of announcement until further notice, SYD-AKL reduced single 738 service daily until further notice.

DPS - only for getting people home, outbound flights not take more customers to Bailey, services to stop on the next week.

Qantas confirms first case of cabin crew being confirmed with Coronavirus

https://twitter.com/7newssydney/status/ ... 10176?s=21

This is pretty unprecedented for the sector, with SARS and 9/11 people were reluctant to travel. With these Covid19 measures, people are not only reluctant to travel but there impediments to travel. Yes it's aimed at international arrivals and to a lesser extent departures, but the domestic sector is also not immune with many businesses prohibiting domestic travel. Will be there be a bump in domestic tourism, sure but not enough to offset the loss of corporate domestic travel and many will put off travel in general.

VA are obviously very vulnerable, but QF/JQ aren't out of the woods if this continues for a prolonged period. Let's hope we get through this pretty quickly, because this is impacting pretty much everyone in society.

RyanairGuru wrote:

It would however be difficult to explain why they would rescue QF bit not VA.

It would actually be an easy one, 90% of VA is owned by foreign airlines/companies whereas QF is still majority Australian owned.

An airline bailout would cause a lot of controversy be it QF or VA, bailing out an airline owned by foreign airlines would be politically toxic.

SYDSpotter wrote:

RyanairGuru wrote:

It would however be difficult to explain why they would rescue QF bit not VA.

It would actually be an easy one, 90% of VA is owned by foreign airlines/companies whereas QF is still majority Australian owned.

An airline bailout would cause a lot of controversy be it QF or VA, bailing out an airline owned by foreign airlines would be politically toxic.

Disagree. There are going to be bailouts galore if this pans out as expected, ie months not weeks.

It's not a difficult sell IMO. Thousands of jobs saved and the tourism industry will be further hampered from recovering if there's only Qantas. When Ansett went under there weren't only 2 airlines.

eta unknown wrote:

The XJ info would have much more weight if it came from someone senior in Commercial Dept.

You can believe what you want. What he said is exactly what senior management had passed on to staff. I've got no reason to doubt him.


As for their expectations only they could tell you what the expectations were, all I know is they stated they were happy with the performance.

NTLDaz wrote:

Disagree. There are going to be bailouts galore if this pans out as expected, ie months not weeks.

It's not a difficult sell IMO. Thousands of jobs saved and the tourism industry will be further hampered from recovering if there's only Qantas. When Ansett went under there weren't only 2 airlines.

Well when you have the NRL asking for government assistance, is the Government going to bail everyone out? I don't think so.

Airlines/Retail/Hospitality/Services/Tourism/Education are all being impacted, and everyone will have their hand out for money if this lingers for an extended period of time. We'll be heading towards nationalisation of half of the economy if the Government bails everyone out.

SYDSpotter wrote:

It would actually be an easy one, 90% of VA is owned by foreign airlines/companies whereas QF is still majority Australian owned.

Unless it was an NZ-style bailout.

myki wrote:

NTLDaz wrote:

Morrison just announced NZ type isolation for international arrivals.

Silver lining: more domestic tourism, possibly where needed in the bushfire-hit regions

Highly doubtful. Unless you believe there is currently a lot of domestic tourism being done in places like Italy or China...etc.

Even sources of inelastic demand like domestic business trips are being cancelled or postponed. Also look at ANA drastically cutting domestic capacity in Japan post lockdown.

Bush fire regions are likely taking a double hit from less international demand AND less domestic demand, if indeed there are any at all.

SYDSpotter wrote:

It would actually be an easy one, 90% of VA is owned by foreign airlines/companies whereas QF is still majority Australian owned..

Any bailout should effectively wipe out equity (much like NZ Govts bailout of AirNZ) so foreign ownership won't be an issue

moa999 wrote:

SYDSpotter wrote:

It would actually be an easy one, 90% of VA is owned by foreign airlines/companies whereas QF is still majority Australian owned..

Any bailout should effectively wipe out equity (much like NZ Govts bailout of AirNZ) so foreign ownership won't be an issue

If the bailout is in the form of the Government taking an ownership stake then yes agree, not an issue. But if it is a bailout in the form of any cash handout/support, then it becomes problematic.

Then again, the Government did provide subsidies to Ford/Holden for quite some time which were 'critical' industries, so maybe I am being too pessimistic.

The Government won’t have any choice if this extends through most of this year (or longer). Our economy is too heavily dependant on aviation-based transport to allow either QF or VA to go under.

This could be the pseudo-bankruptcy that VA needs to get back on track. Get rid of the widebody fleet and undertake a massive reduction of debt. Maybe even shake off the Virgin brand after this crisis has passed.

downdata wrote:

myki wrote:

NTLDaz wrote:

Morrison just announced NZ type isolation for international arrivals.

Silver lining: more domestic tourism, possibly where needed in the bushfire-hit regions

Highly doubtful. Unless you believe there is currently a lot of domestic tourism being done in places like Italy or China...etc.

Even sources of inelastic demand like domestic business trips are being cancelled or postponed. Also look at ANA drastically cutting domestic capacity in Japan post lockdown.

Bush fire regions are likely taking a double hit from less international demand AND less domestic demand, if indeed there are any at all.

Not to Mention consumer confidence will be falling off a cliff. People won’t go on any holidays if they are worried for their jobs!

downdata wrote:

myki wrote:

NTLDaz wrote:

Morrison just announced NZ type isolation for international arrivals.

Silver lining: more domestic tourism, possibly where needed in the bushfire-hit regions

Highly doubtful. Unless you believe there is currently a lot of domestic tourism being done in places like Italy or China...etc.

Even sources of inelastic demand like domestic business trips are being cancelled or postponed. Also look at ANA drastically cutting domestic capacity in Japan post lockdown.

Bush fire regions are likely taking a double hit from less international demand AND less domestic demand, if indeed there are any at all.

If anything, I can see holiday towns within easy driving distance of the major cities being busy over the Easter break, barring any worsening of the situation such as lockdowns.

Thai77w wrote:

eta unknown wrote:

The XJ info would have much more weight if it came from someone senior in Commercial Dept.

You can believe what you want. What he said is exactly what senior management had passed on to staff. I've got no reason to doubt him.


As for their expectations only they could tell you what the expectations were, all I know is they stated they were happy with the performance.

Suspension news finally available- and no word about July restart either:
https://newsroom.airasia.com/news/thai- ... bane-route

melpax wrote:

downdata wrote:

myki wrote:

Silver lining: more domestic tourism, possibly where needed in the bushfire-hit regions

Highly doubtful. Unless you believe there is currently a lot of domestic tourism being done in places like Italy or China...etc.

Even sources of inelastic demand like domestic business trips are being cancelled or postponed. Also look at ANA drastically cutting domestic capacity in Japan post lockdown.

Bush fire regions are likely taking a double hit from less international demand AND less domestic demand, if indeed there are any at all.

If anything, I can see holiday towns within easy driving distance of the major cities being busy over the Easter break, barring any worsening of the situation such as lockdowns.

At this stage I don’t see any silver lining as more and more people are locking themselves away from the world and stocking up for what seems like a year. The amount of panic and anxiety out there is extraordinary.

The Easter holidays are likely to be one of the quietest seen at this rate as most people won’t go anywhere.

I’ve tried to stay as positive as possible throughout all this but everyone has a breaking point so I can see why so many have just shut off from things.

Further to what others have also said, I doubt there will be many international flights left at all in the next week or so as carriers pull their flights due to next to no demand.

The only thing that may save some flights would be freight demand, as carriers can charge significant premiums to offset near empty passenger cabins.

melpax wrote:

downdata wrote:

myki wrote:

Silver lining: more domestic tourism, possibly where needed in the bushfire-hit regions

Highly doubtful. Unless you believe there is currently a lot of domestic tourism being done in places like Italy or China...etc.

Even sources of inelastic demand like domestic business trips are being cancelled or postponed. Also look at ANA drastically cutting domestic capacity in Japan post lockdown.

Bush fire regions are likely taking a double hit from less international demand AND less domestic demand, if indeed there are any at all.

If anything, I can see holiday towns within easy driving distance of the major cities being busy over the Easter break, barring any worsening of the situation such as lockdowns.

Maybe but I think most people will sit it out. It's not just tourism, business travel and conferences getting impacted. My youngest son is meant to be playing in Australian Under 18 Basketball Championships next month in Ballarat. That'll almost certainly be cancelled. It would probably bring a thousand people in for 10 days. There would be lots of things like that.

NTLDaz wrote:

Morrison just announced NZ type isolation for international arrivals.

Think I might have just skipped that..... but visiting a supermarket devoid of toilet paper is kind of depressing.

Wondering if I can get a good rib eye on the bone for the bbq.

Cheers,
C1973

The ME3 have been quiet as church mice so far, still flying A380s galore between their hubs and Australia and I can't recall reading anything about reductions/cancellations as yet! Is it a tripartite Mexican standoff to see who blinks first? Surely all thee must be haemorrhaging money right now.

I guess they actually fly them or park them and EK has already parked a few. Maybe we'll see some frequency reductions to SYD/MEL.

soyuz wrote:

The ME3 have been quiet as church mice so far, still flying A380s galore between their hubs and Australia and I can't recall reading anything about reductions/cancellations as yet! Is it a tripartite Mexican standoff to see who blinks first? Surely all thee must be haemorrhaging money right now.

eta unknown wrote:

I guess they actually fly them or park them and EK has already parked a few. Maybe we'll see some frequency reductions to SYD/MEL.

EK have announced 20 x A380’s to be parked & delay delivery of new build A380’s.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/simplef ... nding/amp/


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soyuz wrote:

The ME3 have been quiet as church mice so far, still flying A380s galore between their hubs and Australia and I can't recall reading anything about reductions/cancellations as yet! Is it a tripartite Mexican standoff to see who blinks first? Surely all thee must be haemorrhaging money right now.

While I cant speak for the east coast out of PER both EK and QR loads have been quite good, actually I would say they have been the best performers, looking at the Asian carriers that’s a different story

SYDSpotter wrote:

moa999 wrote:

SYDSpotter wrote:

It would actually be an easy one, 90% of VA is owned by foreign airlines/companies whereas QF is still majority Australian owned..

Any bailout should effectively wipe out equity (much like NZ Govts bailout of AirNZ) so foreign ownership won't be an issue

If the bailout is in the form of the Government taking an ownership stake then yes agree, not an issue. But if it is a bailout in the form of any cash handout/support, then it becomes problematic.

Then again, the Government did provide subsidies to Ford/Holden for quite some time which were 'critical' industries, so maybe I am being too pessimistic.

Governments can provide lines of credit or even guarantee debt - something Qantas was putting its hand out for a few years back. Not a whole lot of outrage then.

The NRL demand is pretty tone deaf. Yeah a sporting code with million dollar salaries is going to be front of mind for government support. Dumb. I suspect you'll see some support measures for specific sectors, like transport and tourism, then relief measures for smaller businesses and perhaps a tax holiday across the economy.

The country does better with two airlines. If VA goes under you won't see investors rush to build a new carrier. The risk profile is now just too great post virus. So this is it. Virgin or a permanent Qantas monopoly.

qf789 wrote:

soyuz wrote:

The ME3 have been quiet as church mice so far, still flying A380s galore between their hubs and Australia and I can't recall reading anything about reductions/cancellations as yet! Is it a tripartite Mexican standoff to see who blinks first? Surely all thee must be haemorrhaging money right now.

While I cant speak for the east coast out of PER both EK and QR loads have been quite good, actually I would say they have been the best performers, looking at the Asian carriers that’s a different story

Now that Spain is in lock down, along with Italy, and U.K. is included in the US ban had included U.K., I suspect their loads will drop off.

I can’t share details but my airline will make a significant schedule announcement tomorrow am. I won’t lie I’m exceptionally worried for my job, and my teams. With a reduced schedule airlines can’t carry excess staff, using annual leave isn’t a cost saving. What will we do? No one else is hiring if we loose our jobs- what options are there? Cafes aren’t hiring. This is worse than sept 11th for airlines cancellation rates are higher than booking rates, which are increasingly slowing, and borders locked down. Unprecedented for the industry.

In saying this in negativity and doom and gloom I spent my weekend in the operation, and I couldn’t be prouder of how my guys/girls are dealing with this, resilience and professionalism for every last pax. Despite the personal impact, we honestly care about our pax and wanted to get them back home asap. Tough days ahead for airline employees, I pray this all ends soon.

qf789 wrote:

Qantas offering customers flexibility regarding purchased tickets due to Coronavirus

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ronavirus/

I have got a flight to Perth booked next weekend. The Cancellation terms state That the voucher “To be used for travel within 12 months of the date that the original ticket was issued. We will waive the change fee once you’re ready to rebook.”

Does the voucher have to be used in 12 months or does the travel have to be within 12 Months. I bought the ticket Aug 2019. Do I have to fly by Aug this year or do have rebook by Aug?

metalinyoni wrote:

qf789 wrote:

Qantas offering customers flexibility regarding purchased tickets due to Coronavirus

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... ronavirus/

I have got a flight to Perth booked next weekend. The Cancellation terms state That the voucher “To be used for travel within 12 months of the date that the original ticket was issued. We will waive the change fee once you’re ready to rebook.”

Does the voucher have to be used in 12 months or does the travel have to be within 12 Months. I bought the ticket Aug 2019. Do I have to fly by Aug this year or do have rebook by Aug?

For a domestic ticket reissue on Qantas, travel must be completed within 12 months from the date the original ticket was issued. So you would need to complete all travel by August.

Virgin seems to be slow about announcing any Tasman reductions today - surely they will just about drop it all from next week?

I’d put money on QF and VA grounding their widebody fleets within days, with the exception of some QF 789s to maintain a skeleton network from SYD to LHR, SIN, HKG, HND and LAX (the latter until the inevitable US travel ban comes into effect). 789s are also their most effective cargo shifters.

qf002 wrote:

I’d put money on QF and VA grounding their widebody fleets within days, with the exception of some QF 789s to maintain a skeleton network from SYD to LHR, SIN, HKG, HND and LAX (the latter until the inevitable US travel ban comes into effect). 789s are also their most effective cargo shifters.

I agree. Maybe a single daily from Australia. PER and SYD becoming the only international ports. Even domestic must be through the floor.....

What is the situation with freight? People will be ordering lots of things on line and delivery is often by air and fresh food is moved by air. I gather Cathay Cargo are running at capacity, especially with China lifting restrictions and getting back to work. What about FedEx and DHL etc?

Hawaiian to temporarily suspend services to SYD and BNE

https://twitter.com/krisvancleave/statu ... 98658?s=21

Does anyone know what VA’s current terms are with MasterCard/Visa?

For example are they an airline that the credit card providers are willing to provide them the funds up front? Or are they on terms when passengers get post the passengers travel commencing?

Notice that VA has removed the term about flights involving New Zealand having the option to converting to an 12month credit value.

The Australian this morning said that Virgin had available cash of $1.1billion. doesn't sound like going bust.

A lot of airline staff read this site, and are on tenderhooks - NZ have announced 30% redundancy, this isn’t the time to add to people’s stress with baseless rumours.