allrite wrote:

Channel 7 is today claiming that this morning's QF26 was the last Qantas 747 flight before retirement. Anyone know if that's true (my trust level in the station is exceeding low)?

Very sad if it doesn't get a proper farewell when this dies down.

sierrakilo44 wrote:

VA about to collapse (I think inevitable now).

artflyer wrote:

qf002 wrote:

artflyer wrote:

A curosity: on 29 March SYD-WAW by LO on B789 (22h55min). Repatriation flight for Poles and probably the first ever direct flight between Australia and Poland. The flight departures exactly at midnight, so it is actually in between Sat and Sun.

First ever SYD-Europe nonstop? I know it’s been done a number of times in the opposite direction...

Do we know what time the aircraft will arrive? I imagine on Friday maybe to give crews adequate rest.

I don't know how about SYD-Europe, but Australia-Poland for sure.

The WAW-SYD flight will be without pax, so the timing has not been disclosed.

SYD-WAW is shown on LO's webpage as a direct flight and it indeed seems so, as on this very date there will also be two repatriation flights SIN-WAW, but both on B788. They do not foresee to take anybody onboard of B789 in SIN on that day. LO will also be flying to MLN and CEB the day before.

vossitch wrote:

Yeah I've been wondering about my velocity points.
What did you convert them too?

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sierrakilo44 wrote:

SCFlyer wrote:

"Singapore Airlines has raised US10.5 billion through Singapore Inc, which raises the question - is a takeover of Virgin Australia on the horizon."

Once again - Fake News, as per the numerous other articles in the past 5 years. The bailout money given to SQ is to pay their ongoing debts due to the C-19 crisis.
Not to mention SQ's overall mediocre record on managing their overseas investments (VS, Tiger Airways, NZ/AN, Virgin Australia).

Also, I got 1 'start of year' prediction right with the so called "messiah" SQ to take over VA 'fake news' article being published this year.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... c3e5c44d3d

Although here’s a cunning theory.

When the pandemic is over a lot of profit in Australian domestic market will resume. SQ would love 100% of it.

How?

VA about to collapse (I think inevitable now)
SQ steps in as the saviour with a cash injection (that the Australian government won’t say no to cos it saves jobs in a time of high unemployment)

Even though SQ loses money, it keeps VA afloat.
In a few months QF can’t sustain continuing operations, they don’t have a rich foreign government to bail them out.

The Australian government is too busy keeping the rest of the economy from sinking and refuses to bail QF out as a foreign government has already rescued one domestic airline so why should they spend money as well when only one is needed in the country?

Pandemic subsides, flights return to normal. VA now sole airline in the market (there’s no need for two in a country of 24 mil as countries far larger have only one.) SQ reap the benefits of having a monopoly in a very profitable market.

Don’t think it can’t happen? There’s no sentiment from the government to bail out Qantas. If a foreign government bails out one carrier they’ll be grateful.

PlutekPlutek wrote:

Looks like a 789 SP-LSA. Incoming now from SIN. Sydney ETA ~01:46am. Must have dispensation for late night/early arrival in SYD?

soectre99 wrote:

Of course the Australian government won't be making public statements/ sentiment regarding willingness to prop up Qantas or any other major public companies. This would not only create a political firestorm, but would also fill the public and private sector with a degree of complacency, which just isn't real in this situation that we find ourselves in.

But when push comes to shove, the Australian government would take control of Qantas before this happened. Or at the very least provide significant financial assistance considering that they are a previous government enterprise, an Australia icon and a company that employs close to 30k Australian workers. Also remember that a significant amount of Australian superannuation is tied up in companies similar to Qantas.

Williamsb747 wrote:

Hearing rumours about Qantas retiring all B747-400er by the coming Sunday. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Williams-

sierrakilo44 wrote:

soectre99 wrote:

Of course the Australian government won't be making public statements/ sentiment regarding willingness to prop up Qantas or any other major public companies. This would not only create a political firestorm, but would also fill the public and private sector with a degree of complacency, which just isn't real in this situation that we find ourselves in.

But when push comes to shove, the Australian government would take control of Qantas before this happened. Or at the very least provide significant financial assistance considering that they are a previous government enterprise, an Australia icon and a company that employs close to 30k Australian workers. Also remember that a significant amount of Australian superannuation is tied up in companies similar to Qantas.

The current Australian government is quite ideological focused on small government. Very opposed to spending anything. Brands, icon or loyalty mean nothing. It was once said Australia’s iconic car manufacturer (Holden) was so iconic the government would always ensure they would remain. It took a couple of years for them to disappear because no government could be bothered to keep them afloat. “Aussie icon” meant nothing. The government didn’t rescue an Australian company (Ansett) in 2002 and let a foreign owned carrier (Virgin Blue) take up the slack.

The fact they were previously government owned means nothing. Australian’s don’t care about anything except the cheapest ticket. As for superannuation, Qantas makes up 0.4% of the market. Minuscule in the scheme of things.

soectre99 wrote:

Qantas:
- proven financial success (last 5 years in succession of +A$500m profits)
- majority Australian ownership
- 30k Australians employed

Ansett/ VirginA:
- continual luckluster financial performance, during fair economic conditions
- Vast majority foreign ownership
- Less than half the Australian workforce of Qantas

Qantas is here to stay, simple as that...

EK413 wrote:

Everyone always seem to forget the 10s of thousands indirectly employed by QF/VA. Approximately 6,000+ of my colleagues Australia wide have been stood down as a result of the travel bans. We talk about the QF/VA employees but seem to forget the 3rd parties which have work generated by these 2 carriers & their LCC’s.

Thankfully for me I’m prepared to deal with this unexpected economic downturn but for many, unfortunately are going to struggle & potentially lose their livelihoods.

Really heartbreaking times not just for aviation but globally.


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zkncj wrote:

EK413 wrote:

Everyone always seem to forget the 10s of thousands indirectly employed by QF/VA. Approximately 6,000+ of my colleagues Australia wide have been stood down as a result of the travel bans. We talk about the QF/VA employees but seem to forget the 3rd parties which have work generated by these 2 carriers & their LCC’s.

Thankfully for me I’m prepared to deal with this unexpected economic downturn but for many, unfortunately are going to struggle & potentially lose their livelihoods.

Really heartbreaking times not just for aviation but globally.


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Take it all of the JetConnect crew would of been stood down? Haven’t really heard much about what has happens to crew group at the moment.

Could be that they have claimed the New Zealand governments $600 for 12 weeks per employee payout to keep those crew getting some income.

Velocity7 wrote:

sierrakilo44 wrote:

VA about to collapse (I think inevitable now).

I feel awful saying it and I want VA to go on and their staff to be back in secure jobs and taking it up to QF but is it time to cash in the FF points on some over priced toasters? The heart says hang in there, the head says cash them in.

PlutekPlutek wrote:

artflyer wrote:

qf002 wrote:

First ever SYD-Europe nonstop? I know it’s been done a number of times in the opposite direction...

Do we know what time the aircraft will arrive? I imagine on Friday maybe to give crews adequate rest.

I don't know how about SYD-Europe, but Australia-Poland for sure.

The WAW-SYD flight will be without pax, so the timing has not been disclosed.

SYD-WAW is shown on LO's webpage as a direct flight and it indeed seems so, as on this very date there will also be two repatriation flights SIN-WAW, but both on B788. They do not foresee to take anybody onboard of B789 in SIN on that day. LO will also be flying to MLN and CEB the day before.

Looks like a 789 SP-LSA. Incoming now from SIN. Sydney ETA ~01:46am. Must have dispensation for late night/early arrival in SYD?
I'd say the return flight will also stop in SIN (perhaps?) along the way to fill up. I don't think it has the legs to go non-stop, but time will tell.

soectre99 wrote:

sierrakilo44 wrote:

soectre99 wrote:

Of course the Australian government won't be making public statements/ sentiment regarding willingness to prop up Qantas or any other major public companies. This would not only create a political firestorm, but would also fill the public and private sector with a degree of complacency, which just isn't real in this situation that we find ourselves in.

But when push comes to shove, the Australian government would take control of Qantas before this happened. Or at the very least provide significant financial assistance considering that they are a previous government enterprise, an Australia icon and a company that employs close to 30k Australian workers. Also remember that a significant amount of Australian superannuation is tied up in companies similar to Qantas.

The current Australian government is quite ideological focused on small government. Very opposed to spending anything. Brands, icon or loyalty mean nothing. It was once said Australia’s iconic car manufacturer (Holden) was so iconic the government would always ensure they would remain. It took a couple of years for them to disappear because no government could be bothered to keep them afloat. “Aussie icon” meant nothing. The government didn’t rescue an Australian company (Ansett) in 2002 and let a foreign owned carrier (Virgin Blue) take up the slack.

The fact they were previously government owned means nothing. Australian’s don’t care about anything except the cheapest ticket. As for superannuation, Qantas makes up 0.4% of the market. Minuscule in the scheme of things.

Holden received decades worth of government assistance, much of which during fair economic conditions (relatively speaking). Ansett was owned by Air New Zealand and was about half the size of Qantas, why on earth would the Australian Government support them?

Point is, this is a temporary hurdle in the grand scheme of things. So why would the government let a company who have proven success (even in the current financial year) go down in flames? The direct and indirect impact of a failure of Qantas would be catastrophic to the economy of Australia.

Qantas:
- proven financial success (last 5 years in succession of +A$500m profits)
- majority Australian ownership
- 30k Australians employed

Ansett/ VirginA:
- continual luckluster financial performance, during fair economic conditions
- Vast majority foreign ownership
- Less than half the Australian workforce of Qantas

Qantas is here to stay, simple as that...

groupguy wrote:

soectre99 wrote:

sierrakilo44 wrote:

The current Australian government is quite ideological focused on small government. Very opposed to spending anything. Brands, icon or loyalty mean nothing. It was once said Australia’s iconic car manufacturer (Holden) was so iconic the government would always ensure they would remain. It took a couple of years for them to disappear because no government could be bothered to keep them afloat. “Aussie icon” meant nothing. The government didn’t rescue an Australian company (Ansett) in 2002 and let a foreign owned carrier (Virgin Blue) take up the slack.

The fact they were previously government owned means nothing. Australian’s don’t care about anything except the cheapest ticket. As for superannuation, Qantas makes up 0.4% of the market. Minuscule in the scheme of things.

Holden received decades worth of government assistance, much of which during fair economic conditions (relatively speaking). Ansett was owned by Air New Zealand and was about half the size of Qantas, why on earth would the Australian Government support them?

Point is, this is a temporary hurdle in the grand scheme of things. So why would the government let a company who have proven success (even in the current financial year) go down in flames? The direct and indirect impact of a failure of Qantas would be catastrophic to the economy of Australia.

Qantas:
- proven financial success (last 5 years in succession of +A$500m profits)
- majority Australian ownership
- 30k Australians employed

Ansett/ VirginA:
- continual luckluster financial performance, during fair economic conditions
- Vast majority foreign ownership
- Less than half the Australian workforce of Qantas

Qantas is here to stay, simple as that...

as an Australian flag carrier, think it would be much more important to prop up Virgin.

What is this fascination with Qantas ?

Aviator34ID wrote:

If VA had gone broke 3 months ago, would the Government have rushed in and bailed it out? I don't think so. If it was to occur now, same loss of competition, same loss of jobs. Difficult to make a case for the Government to spend a billion or so of tax payers money to get back into the airline business.

Aviator34ID wrote:

If VA had gone broke 3 months ago, would the Government have rushed in and bailed it out? I don't think so. If it was to occur now, same loss of competition, same loss of jobs. Difficult to make a case for the Government to spend a billion or so of tax payers money to get back into the airline business.

RyanairGuru wrote:

NTLDaz wrote:

zkojq wrote:

Given that the UAE's ban means that Emirates and Qatar have stopped flying, I suspect that this is just Qatar being opportunistic and trying to make a bit of short term cash by repatriating the thousands of Europeans still stuck in Australia (and New Zealand).
On James O'Brien's radio show yesterday there were loads of people calling in about family members stuck in Australasia and South East Asia, unable to return to the UK due to airlines cutting service at short notice.

Almost certainly flights for repatriation purposes but I'm not sure why a UAE ban would affect QR.

Emirates, and to a lessor extent Etihad, play a big role in moving people between Europe and Asia/Australia. With them shut down there is an opportunity for Qatar to opportunistically fill the void in repatriating people.

zkojq wrote:

NTLDaz wrote:

zkojq wrote:

Given that the UAE's ban means that Emirates and Qatar have stopped flying, I suspect that this is just Qatar being opportunistic and trying to make a bit of short term cash by repatriating the thousands of Europeans still stuck in Australia (and New Zealand).
On James O'Brien's radio show yesterday there were loads of people calling in about family members stuck in Australasia and South East Asia, unable to return to the UK due to airlines cutting service at short notice.

Almost certainly flights for repatriation purposes but I'm not sure why a UAE ban would affect QR.

Sorry, I meant Etihad in my first sentence.

RyanairGuru explained accurately what I meant.

sierrakilo44 wrote:

soectre99 wrote:

Of course the Australian government won't be making public statements/ sentiment regarding willingness to prop up Qantas or any other major public companies. This would not only create a political firestorm, but would also fill the public and private sector with a degree of complacency, which just isn't real in this situation that we find ourselves in.

But when push comes to shove, the Australian government would take control of Qantas before this happened. Or at the very least provide significant financial assistance considering that they are a previous government enterprise, an Australia icon and a company that employs close to 30k Australian workers. Also remember that a significant amount of Australian superannuation is tied up in companies similar to Qantas.

The current Australian government is quite ideological focused on small government. Very opposed to spending anything. Brands, icon or loyalty mean nothing. It was once said Australia’s iconic car manufacturer (Holden) was so iconic the government would always ensure they would remain. It took a couple of years for them to disappear because no government could be bothered to keep them afloat. “Aussie icon” meant nothing. The government didn’t rescue an Australian company (Ansett) in 2002 and let a foreign owned carrier (Virgin Blue) take up the slack.

The fact they were previously government owned means nothing. Australian’s don’t care about anything except the cheapest ticket. As for superannuation, Qantas makes up 0.4% of the market. Minuscule in the scheme of things.

Chris2302 wrote:

What’s happening with VH-OEE? When is it leaving Santiago?

qf002 wrote:

Aviator34ID wrote:

If VA had gone broke 3 months ago, would the Government have rushed in and bailed it out? I don't think so. If it was to occur now, same loss of competition, same loss of jobs. Difficult to make a case for the Government to spend a billion or so of tax payers money to get back into the airline business.

If they had gone broke three months ago then another player would have stepped up to fill the void.

Aviator34ID wrote:

If VA had gone broke 3 months ago, would the Government have rushed in and bailed it out? I don't think so. If it was to occur now, same loss of competition, same loss of jobs. Difficult to make a case for the Government to spend a billion or so of tax payers money to get back into the airline business.

Aviator34ID wrote:

As another one would do now - when there is again sufficient demand in the country for two airlines to make a profit.

JBusworth wrote:

Chris2302 wrote:

What’s happening with VH-OEE? When is it leaving Santiago?

There seems be a 24 hour delay on QF28. Qantas has it arriving back in Sydney at 17:50 on the 29th.

Can anyone confirm this is the case?

QR912 DOH2000 – 1720+1BNE 77W D
QR913 BNE2120 – 0520+1DOH 77W D

QR994 DOH0905 – 0600+1MEL 77W D
QR904 DOH2035 – 1730+1MEL 351 D

QR995 MEL1500 – 2250DOH 77W D
QR905 MEL2135 – 0525+1DOH 351 D

QR900 DOH0150 – 1820PER 388
QR990 DOH2040 – 1310+1PER 77W D

QR991 PER1545 – 2235DOH 77W D
QR901 PER2245 – 0535+1DOH 388

QR906 DOH0915 – 0730+1SYD 77W D
QR988 DOH1900 – 1725+1SYD 77W D
QR908 DOH2030 – 1855+1SYD 351 D

QR907 SYD1650 – 2345DOH 77W D
QR989 SYD2145 – 0505+1DOH 77W D
QR909 SYD2215 – 0530+1DOH 351 D