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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:26 am

LATAM SYD flight is due to only operate once this week

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-29mar20/
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@QF789, 19 pages of posts, this appears to have been a busy month for this forum?


Yes it has but we are about 80 posts short of the record for this thread


What was the last record? Did we make 1k? (I cant find the thread easily to check myself). What was the big topic of conversation that drove it?

Also nice work adding a bunch of posts for us to talk about in the last few hours of March.
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:28 am

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LATAM SYD flight is due to only operate once this week

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-29mar20/


Welcome to Page 20.
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:31 am

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Slightly off centre idea, but could the lower capacity of the 744 compared to the A380 actually help it and QF in the ramp up of operations? Given there are 6 744-ERs, this could form a base network of say SYD-LAX and SYD-LHR, and perhaps at a lower aircraft cost than using A380s on the route? Might allow a return to service sooner rather than later from a cost perspective?[/quote

Post Corona life of quad jets may be tricky cost & maintenance wise. Not expecting air travel to return to current levels for another 18-24months. Would be inclined to transfer the 788s to Qantas


You would think that some of the A380's are likely to be put to pasture as well if this goes on for too long


Sadly highly likely give the prospects of the cost savings Project Sunrise will present
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:32 am

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Slightly off centre idea, but could the lower capacity of the 744 compared to the A380 actually help it and QF in the ramp up of operations? Given there are 6 744-ERs, this could form a base network of say SYD-LAX and SYD-LHR, and perhaps at a lower aircraft cost than using A380s on the route? Might allow a return to service sooner rather than later from a cost perspective?[/quote

Post Corona life of quad jets may be tricky cost & maintenance wise. Not expecting air travel to return to current levels for another 18-24months. Would be inclined to transfer the 788s to Qantas


Yes true and as moa999 says the 789s will be useful too but there might be a step up of time where they can keep the A380 fleet grounded instead of partially reactivated where the 744s might have the volume edge? QF has been right sizing routes for quite some time and using them in this way might be consistent with past behaviour, and a way of letting the 747 have its last hurrah as QF will want to market the stuffings out of.
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:35 am

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@QF789, 19 pages of posts, this appears to have been a busy month for this forum?


Yes it has but we are about 80 posts short of the record for this thread


What was the last record? Did we make 1k? (I cant find the thread easily to check myself). What was the big topic of conversation that drove it?

Also nice work adding a bunch of posts for us to talk about in the last few hours of March.


It was January 2018 - 1024 posts to be precise, here is the thread

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Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:55 am

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Slightly off centre idea, but could the lower capacity of the 744 compared to the A380 actually help it and QF in the ramp up of operations? Given there are 6 744-ERs, this could form a base network of say SYD-LAX and SYD-LHR, and perhaps at a lower aircraft cost than using A380s on the route? Might allow a return to service sooner rather than later from a cost perspective?[/quote

Post Corona life of quad jets may be tricky cost & maintenance wise. Not expecting air travel to return to current levels for another 18-24months. Would be inclined to transfer the 788s to Qantas


Yes true and as moa999 says the 789s will be useful too but there might be a step up of time where they can keep the A380 fleet grounded instead of partially reactivated where the 744s might have the volume edge? QF has been right sizing routes for quite some time and using them in this way might be consistent with past behaviour, and a way of letting the 747 have its last hurrah as QF will want to market the stuffings out of.


Not disputing the volume edge of the 747s. But the costs of maintaining the type ie. pilots & maintenance might not justify it vs retraining all pilots to 787/a330 during the current hiatus & come out all guns blazing on the others side
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:01 am

Virgin shares have returned to trade on the ASX after they provided a statement on earlier reports of a rescus package of up to $1.4 billion

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:04 am

Qantas A332 EBK to depart SYD shortly for storage at AVV

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:10 am

According to the pilots union all TT pilots to be sacked by this Friday, which is earlier than previously planned

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Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:17 am

Interesting statement from AirNZ today on medium term outlook. Would think the same applies to QF and VA -

... it is clear the Air New Zealand which emerges from COVID-19 is a much smaller airline and could take years to get back to its former size. Therefore, we are planning to be a domestic airline with limited international services to keep supply lines open for the foreseeable future.

The Air New Zealand of pre-COVID-19 employed 12,500 people around the world. Clearly, we will be smaller for some time and we will need fewer staff. We expect that even in a year’s time we will be at least 30 percent smaller than we are today.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:25 am

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Interesting statement from AirNZ today on medium term outlook. Would think the same applies to QF and VA -

... it is clear the Air New Zealand which emerges from COVID-19 is a much smaller airline and could take years to get back to its former size. Therefore, we are planning to be a domestic airline with limited international services to keep supply lines open for the foreseeable future.

The Air New Zealand of pre-COVID-19 employed 12,500 people around the world. Clearly, we will be smaller for some time and we will need fewer staff. We expect that even in a year’s time we will be at least 30 percent smaller than we are today.


JQ as well. It won't be surprising if most (if not all) 788s end up at QF mainline for various reasons.
Leaving only the A320/321LRs for "Bali Bogan Bus" flying and perhaps Fiji flying at most.
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:31 am

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moa999 wrote:
Interesting statement from AirNZ today on medium term outlook. Would think the same applies to QF and VA -

... it is clear the Air New Zealand which emerges from COVID-19 is a much smaller airline and could take years to get back to its former size. Therefore, we are planning to be a domestic airline with limited international services to keep supply lines open for the foreseeable future.

The Air New Zealand of pre-COVID-19 employed 12,500 people around the world. Clearly, we will be smaller for some time and we will need fewer staff. We expect that even in a year’s time we will be at least 30 percent smaller than we are today.


JQ as well. It won't be surprising if most (if not all) 788s end up at QF mainline for various reasons.
Leaving only the A320/321LRs for "Bali Bogan Bus" flying and perhaps Fiji flying at most.


This is probably going to apply to a lot of carriers worldwide. One thing in QF's favour is unlike most 787 operators their 789's are only 236 seats, my concern is are they going to be too premium heavy for the road ahead?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:36 am

There is a report coming in that 6 baggage handlers for Qantas at ADL have tested positive to Coronavirus

https://twitter.com/MarkMooney7/status/ ... 25152?s=20
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:41 am

Condor is having flights to BNE, MEL as well as SYD as mentioned before.

I feel like I left a destination off that list?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:46 am

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There is a report coming in that 6 baggage handlers for Qantas at ADL have tested positive to Coronavirus

https://twitter.com/MarkMooney7/status/ ... 25152?s=20


Link to a story available now

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-w ... s-c-901995
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:56 am

Going off the following it looks like QF's next 789 being ZNL is about to enter final assembly, I guess the question is when will it be delivered, around mid May or will it be delayed?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:59 am

Qantas A332's EBS has positioned to BNE for storage and EBQ to AVV for storage

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-a330- ... e-storage/

http://theqantassource.com/qantas-a330- ... n-storage/
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:02 am

Gold Coast airport says terminal will be opened at a reduced number of hours per day

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:06 am

There is another LOT 789 on its way to SYD, currently just crossed the coast between Broome and Derby, due in SYD around 2100

https://www.flightradar24.com/LOT8547/244c6506
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:18 am

Enjoyed the Austrian Photos landing in SYD. Unfortunate the circumstances for all these "visitors". I'm sure Austrian use to fly regularly to Sydney via BKK back in the early 2000's? I'm sure I nearly booked on them to Europe for my first ever overseas adventure. Ended up going KE as it was the cheapest..
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:21 am

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Enjoyed the Austrian Photos landing in SYD. Unfortunate the circumstances for all these "visitors". I'm sure Austrian use to fly regularly to Sydney via BKK back in the early 2000's? I'm sure I nearly booked on them to Europe for my first ever overseas adventure. Ended up going KE as it was the cheapest..


Austrian flew to both MEL and SYD in the early 2000s. They were the last remaining airline from continental Europe flying to Australia. MEL was served via SIN possibly on a 763?
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:35 am

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Enjoyed the Austrian Photos landing in SYD. Unfortunate the circumstances for all these "visitors". I'm sure Austrian use to fly regularly to Sydney via BKK back in the early 2000's? I'm sure I nearly booked on them to Europe for my first ever overseas adventure. Ended up going KE as it was the cheapest..


Austrian flew to both MEL and SYD in the early 2000s. They were the last remaining airline from continental Europe flying to Australia. MEL was served via SIN possibly on a 763?


Thanks for that information. 763 sounds familiar. I still think we are lucky to see BA daily in SYD too.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:56 am

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Going off the following it looks like QF's next 789 being ZNL is about to enter final assembly, I guess the question is when will it be delivered, around mid May or will it be delayed?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19


Given the amount of planes Boeing has already got parked around their plants at the moment I doubt it’ll be stored anywhere there.

The QF group recently secured a debt facility to fund liquidity if required. I read that the security for this was the 787 fleet which apparently is owned and not leased. Wondering if ZNL is part of the security for that loan?

Also wouldn’t the customer acceptance flights and ferry flight to AU assist with flight crew and their type ratings?
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:21 am

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Going off the following it looks like QF's next 789 being ZNL is about to enter final assembly, I guess the question is when will it be delivered, around mid May or will it be delayed?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... dit#gid=19


Given the amount of planes Boeing has already got parked around their plants at the moment I doubt it’ll be stored anywhere there.

The QF group recently secured a debt facility to fund liquidity if required. I read that the security for this was the 787 fleet which apparently is owned and not leased. Wondering if ZNL is part of the security for that loan?

Also wouldn’t the customer acceptance flights and ferry flight to AU assist with flight crew and their type ratings?


Would assume the security would be on existing ZNA-ZNG based in the loan size. Would be interesting how they would do the ferry flights from Everett under current lock down but an guessing it can be stored in LA temporarily
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:22 am

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Enjoyed the Austrian Photos landing in SYD. Unfortunate the circumstances for all these "visitors". I'm sure Austrian use to fly regularly to Sydney via BKK back in the early 2000's? I'm sure I nearly booked on them to Europe for my first ever overseas adventure. Ended up going KE as it was the cheapest..


Lauda/Austrian used to fly via KUL.

I was a travel agent in NZ. The schedules worked very well with Air NZ’s Tasman flights. They were a popular option with the Star Alliance frequent flyers.

https://www.breakingtravelnews.com/news ... n40000620/
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:55 am

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Enjoyed the Austrian Photos landing in SYD. Unfortunate the circumstances for all these "visitors". I'm sure Austrian use to fly regularly to Sydney via BKK back in the early 2000's? I'm sure I nearly booked on them to Europe for my first ever overseas adventure. Ended up going KE as it was the cheapest..


Austrian flew to both MEL and SYD in the early 2000s. They were the last remaining airline from continental Europe flying to Australia. MEL was served via SIN possibly on a 763?


When both services ended they used 772’s inherited from Lauda Air. I think these services ended around 2006?

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For the first half of April (1-14) Singapore Airlines will only fly to SYD 3 weekly with 77W

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-31mar20/


There will be the odd freight-only flight to other Australian ports though (with passenger aircraft, not the regular 747 freighters)
 
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Would assume the security would be on existing ZNA-ZNG based in the loan size. Would be interesting how they would do the ferry flights from Everett under current lock down but an guessing it can be stored in LA temporarily


I did think of LAX because of the maintenance facility that QF have there, but don’t know how much room there actually is, especially if there’s 2xA388 and 1x789 which I read further back in the post. Might be more room for parking at BNE on RWY 01L/19R.
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What are the chances that QR will ditch ADL over BNE?


Probably little to none. The usual bilaterals apply once the temporary charters finish up in mid-late April.

Yep, just a stop-gap for now. Once any of the motley crew of SQ/EY/QF/MH/EK/etc etc jump back on board then QR won't be needed. A little extra pocket money for QR in the meantime.
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 8:44 am

Virgin Australia needs to go study JetBlue and implement that strategy. There’s money to be made between Jetstar and Qantas, but it still needs to be a value proposition...
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:12 am

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Enjoyed the Austrian Photos landing in SYD. Unfortunate the circumstances for all these "visitors". I'm sure Austrian use to fly regularly to Sydney via BKK back in the early 2000's? I'm sure I nearly booked on them to Europe for my first ever overseas adventure. Ended up going KE as it was the cheapest..


They did and Melbourne to. was the last European Airline to serve Australia, before they stopped flying here in favour of airline alliances.
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:38 am

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Enjoyed the Austrian Photos landing in SYD. Unfortunate the circumstances for all these "visitors". I'm sure Austrian use to fly regularly to Sydney via BKK back in the early 2000's? I'm sure I nearly booked on them to Europe for my first ever overseas adventure. Ended up going KE as it was the cheapest..


Lauda/Austrian used to fly via KUL.

I was a travel agent in NZ. The schedules worked very well with Air NZ’s Tasman flights. They were a popular option with the Star Alliance frequent flyers.

https://www.breakingtravelnews.com/news ... n40000620/


They also flew via Phuket at one stage.
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:44 am

The Federal Government and Opposition has taken a bi-partisan approach by not ruling out a 'VA' stake through VA's 1.4B loan proposal (which would see the loan converted to an equity stake should VA 'default' on that loan).

Source: https://www.smh.com.au/business/compani ... 54fof.html
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:50 am

Not sure why the Australian Government would rescue the foreign owned VA.

VA has been poorly run for a long time.

If VA falls, another will replace it.
 
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Not sure why the Australian Government would rescue the foreign owned VA.

VA has been poorly run for a long time.

If VA falls, another will replace it.


Because it being poorly run is not a reason for its current predicament, it was in no real danger of collapsing before. It provides a valuable service to the Australian economy and people.
Qantas is excellently run and while it can hold out longer, there’s still a finite time it can operate without revenue - this situation is unprecedented. And it’s not like Qantas wouldn’t be foreign owned if they were legally allowed to be, Virgins ownership is irrelevant and a larger bailout could be structured to make it return to Australian hands if the government so wished. VAs cash reserves are actually very good for its size (a quarter the cash reserves of Qantas, at about a quarter of revenue, so they’re saving roughly the same)

Plus the government not bailing out VA is just a big subsidy to Qantas if the crisis ends sooner rather than later.
 
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Not sure why the Australian Government would rescue the foreign owned VA.

VA has been poorly run for a long time.

If VA falls, another will replace it.


Because it being poorly run is not a reason for its current predicament, it was in no real danger of collapsing before. It provides a valuable service to the Australian economy and people.
Qantas is excellently run and while it can hold out longer, there’s still a finite time it can operate without revenue - this situation is unprecedented. And it’s not like Qantas wouldn’t be foreign owned if they were legally allowed to be, Virgins ownership is irrelevant and a larger bailout could be structured to make it return to Australian hands if the government so wished. VAs cash reserves are actually very good for its size (a quarter the cash reserves of Qantas, at about a quarter of revenue, so they’re saving roughly the same)

Plus the government not bailing out VA is just a big subsidy to Qantas if the crisis ends sooner rather than later.

Their poor management really is the reason for their current predicament. If they were well managed they would have cash reserves for times like this. Ansett Mrk 2 died due to 9/11, so why can't virgin die the same way it rose to this position. poor management and not planning for unforeseen circumstances. If they collapse, It will mean we have 1 profitable airline instead of two collapsing airlines and then when the market grows again a competitor will take VA's place just like VA did to Ansett.
 
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