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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:11 am

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Will these cuts have any effect on the 747 retirement date?


Highly likely. A330s have to be reshuffled unless they get the next batch of 787s delivered early. Can’t see them flying 1/2 empty 4 engine guzzlers

Wonder if the Final constellation charter will go ahead.

TOUR COMPANY PLANS ONE FINAL AROUND-THE-WORLD CHARTER WITH QANTAS 747

Travel company Constellation Journeys is planning one final around-the-world charter with a Qantas Boeing 747 ahead of the type’s withdrawal from service at the end of 2020.

The 18-day tour was due to depart in April 2020 and visit Cambodia, French Polynesia, Jordan, Iceland and Mexico, among other locations.

https://australianaviation.com.au/2019/ ... 7-in-2020/


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:17 am

What I'm hearing is the capacity reductions will be used to accelerate, as much as possible given component lead times and such, planned maintenance and refurbs. Beyond that, and going back to a previous question, ASP and APAS (the aircraft storage facility at ASP) certainly are capable of handling any of the QF fleet up to and including the A380 - I was involved in the initial planning for APAS before and during its construction.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:24 am

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qf2220 wrote:
Where is QF going to park the A380s? And any others that need parking for a few months? Can ASP handle them?


Nope. Could potentially be distributed around the country? SYD/MEL/PER/BNE.


IMHO it's more likely they get sent to a boneyard in California or Arizona. Australian airports, especially SYD and BNE, aren't really suitable for long-term storage due to the salty, humid(ish) sea air.

The issue is the major AU airports charge extortionate parking fees so long-term storage in MEL/SYD/BNE is not really an option. AVV is a chance as is ASP otherwise a US boneyard is most likely.
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Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:41 am

Captdasbomb wrote:
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Will these cuts have any effect on the 747 retirement date?


Highly likely. A330s have to be reshuffled unless they get the next batch of 787s delivered early. Can’t see them flying 1/2 empty 4 engine guzzlers


According to another discussion thread SYD-SFO reverts from B789 to B747 to accomodate the MEL/BNE-SFO passengers.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:44 am

tullamarine wrote:
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jrfspa320 wrote:

Nope. Could potentially be distributed around the country? SYD/MEL/PER/BNE.


IMHO it's more likely they get sent to a boneyard in California or Arizona. Australian airports, especially SYD and BNE, aren't really suitable for long-term storage due to the salty, humid(ish) sea air.

The issue is the major AU airports charge extortionate parking fees so long-term storage in MEL/SYD/BNE is not really an option. AVV is a chance as is ASP otherwise a US boneyard is most likely.


Also agree that California or Arizona desert is most likely. Pretty easy to cycle them out of service via LAX over a few days.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:06 am

Will the SYD -PER_LHR be run parallel to the current PER-LHR or are both flights combined. If its that later it's a massive drop in capacity?
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:11 am

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Will the SYD -PER_LHR be run parallel to the current PER-LHR or are both flights combined. If its that later it's a massive drop in capacity?
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Given all other changes my guess is a parallel flight along with QF9/10.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

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Will the SYD -PER_LHR be run parallel to the current PER-LHR or are both flights combined. If its that later it's a massive drop in capacity?
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Parallel, PER-LHR will be daily double - https://www.qantas.com/au/en/travel-inf ... anges.html
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:45 am

I just worked out on paper assuming the same Heathrow slots and UK on BST. The timings of the PER-LHR-PER sectors are roughly

QF1 dep PER 2020 arr LHR 0635+1
QF2 dep LHR 2105 arr PER 2050+1.

If this service does go through T4 at PER how many 787's can be handled at the same time? QF1 is going to overlap with QF9 (1850 dep), and there isn't much time between QF1 departing and QF2 arriving.

Also there's going to be at least a 3 hour stop in PER on QF2 to get into SYD after curfew.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:46 am

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Will the SYD -PER_LHR be run parallel to the current PER-LHR or are both flights combined. If its that later it's a massive drop in capacity?
AN767


Parallel, PER-LHR will be daily double - https://www.qantas.com/au/en/travel-inf ... anges.html


I wonder which terminal they will fly out of considering QF2 is an 8pm London Departure & QF10 is a 12pm departure. But it might work with T3 but not sure they have enough gates to handle 3 787s at the same time
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:57 am

Will the location for A380 storage be impacted by whether QF's intent is to park the 8 aircraft full time or whether all 10 available will be cycled in and out of the SYD-LAX flights over time?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:08 am

There is plenty is space at T3, although there is only capacity for two widebodies on jetbridge stands. There is lots of space for boarding with stairs beyond that.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:23 am

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QF Group Coronavirus Update

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... -response/

Notable reductions until Mid-September
- 8 A380s Grounded until September
- SYD-PER-LHR to replace SYD-SIN-LHR from 20 April with B787
- BNE-ORD launch delayed til September
- BNE-SFO suspended effective 18 April
- MEL-SFO suspended effective 18 April
- SYD-HND downguaged from 30 March
- SYD-DFW - MEL-LAX downgauged to B787s
- SYD-SCL to remain B747 until September.
- Reductions to HKG and Shanghai suspension to continue

JQ
- BKK suspended from 1 May
- reduce flights to Vietnam from 1 May
- BNE-DPS slight reduction from 1 May
- Flights to Japan reduced by 50%

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Capacity Reductions when compared to 2019:
31% to Asia
19% to North America
17% to Europe
10% to NZ
5% Domestically (Increased from 3%)

The article has an error.

B787 replaced by larger A330 on 7 return flights per week (QF 35/36)

QF35/36 were previously operated with the A380, not the 787
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:30 am

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tullamarine wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:

IMHO it's more likely they get sent to a boneyard in California or Arizona. Australian airports, especially SYD and BNE, aren't really suitable for long-term storage due to the salty, humid(ish) sea air.

The issue is the major AU airports charge extortionate parking fees so long-term storage in MEL/SYD/BNE is not really an option. AVV is a chance as is ASP otherwise a US boneyard is most likely.


Also agree that California or Arizona desert is most likely. Pretty easy to cycle them out of service via LAX over a few days.

Personally I doubt QF will be parking them in storage, at least in the short term. Rotating the aircraft through LAX, scheduled heavy maintenance & reconfiguration program will keep the aircraft busy for the 1st several months.

There’s also 3 x A380’s which are scheduled for repaint taking place in Korea, Gimhae.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:38 am

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getluv wrote:
QF Group Coronavirus Update

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... -response/

Notable reductions until Mid-September
- 8 A380s Grounded until September
- SYD-PER-LHR to replace SYD-SIN-LHR from 20 April with B787
- BNE-ORD launch delayed til September
- BNE-SFO suspended effective 18 April
- MEL-SFO suspended effective 18 April
- SYD-HND downguaged from 30 March
- SYD-DFW - MEL-LAX downgauged to B787s
- SYD-SCL to remain B747 until September.
- Reductions to HKG and Shanghai suspension to continue

JQ
- BKK suspended from 1 May
- reduce flights to Vietnam from 1 May
- BNE-DPS slight reduction from 1 May
- Flights to Japan reduced by 50%

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Capacity Reductions when compared to 2019:
31% to Asia
19% to North America
17% to Europe
10% to NZ
5% Domestically (Increased from 3%)

The article has an error.

B787 replaced by larger A330 on 7 return flights per week (QF 35/36)

QF35/36 were previously operated with the A380, not the 787


The 789 was to replace A388 from 30 Mar as per their previous announcement so what is stated above is correct
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:42 am

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The 789 was to replace A388 from 30 Mar as per their previous announcement so what is stated above is correct

Didn't notice that until after I posted, I stand corrected.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:51 am

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smi0006 wrote:

From what I’m hearing traffic to the states was holding up, not sure if this has changed. LHR traffic via SIN may struggle, not sure how they can downguage the service at all.


QF really don’t have any options, perhaps go from daily to 6 weekly if loads aren’t that promising.

OR

Down gauge the B789’s on HKG rotations to A330’s? Even that wouldn’t free up enough frames to redeploy in SYD-SIN-LHR.

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QF Group Coronavirus Update

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... -response/

Notable reductions until Mid-September
- 8 A380s Grounded until September
- SYD-PER-LHR to replace SYD-SIN-LHR from 20 April with B787
- BNE-ORD launch delayed til September
- BNE-SFO suspended effective 18 April
- MEL-SFO suspended effective 18 April
- SYD-HND downguaged from 30 March
- SYD-DFW - MEL-LAX downgauged to B787s
- SYD-SCL to remain B747 until September.
- Reductions to HKG and Shanghai suspension to continue

JQ
- BKK suspended from 1 May
- reduce flights to Vietnam from 1 May
- BNE-DPS slight reduction from 1 May
- Flights to Japan reduced by 50%

AJ will take no pay

Capacity Reductions when compared to 2019:
31% to Asia
19% to North America
17% to Europe
10% to NZ
5% Domestically (Increased from 3%)


When I said QF1/2 down gauge from A380 to B789 I didn’t realise it’ll happen and top it off going via PER. Who knows, if this becomes the norm for the QF1/2 service and QF redirect their connecting services via PER.

Have QF been granted permission by PAPL to operate the additional LHR service service from T3/4.?


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There is plenty is space at T3, although there is only capacity for two widebodies on jetbridge stands. There is lots of space for boarding with stairs beyond that.


Have QF been granted permission to operate via T3/4?


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:04 am

Captdasbomb wrote:
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An767 wrote:
Will the SYD -PER_LHR be run parallel to the current PER-LHR or are both flights combined. If its that later it's a massive drop in capacity?
AN767


Parallel, PER-LHR will be daily double - https://www.qantas.com/au/en/travel-inf ... anges.html


I wonder which terminal they will fly out of considering QF2 is an 8pm London Departure & QF10 is a 12pm departure. But it might work with T3 but not sure they have enough gates to handle 3 787s at the same time


Maybe they'll come to an arrangement and use their other slots that BA has?
 
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Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:36 am

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EK413 wrote:
EK413 wrote:

QF really don’t have any options, perhaps go from daily to 6 weekly if loads aren’t that promising.

OR

Down gauge the B789’s on HKG rotations to A330’s? Even that wouldn’t free up enough frames to redeploy in SYD-SIN-LHR.

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QF Group Coronavirus Update

https://www.qantasnewsroom.com.au/media ... -response/

Notable reductions until Mid-September
- 8 A380s Grounded until September
- SYD-PER-LHR to replace SYD-SIN-LHR from 20 April with B787
- BNE-ORD launch delayed til September
- BNE-SFO suspended effective 18 April
- MEL-SFO suspended effective 18 April
- SYD-HND downguaged from 30 March
- SYD-DFW - MEL-LAX downgauged to B787s
- SYD-SCL to remain B747 until September.
- Reductions to HKG and Shanghai suspension to continue

JQ
- BKK suspended from 1 May
- reduce flights to Vietnam from 1 May
- BNE-DPS slight reduction from 1 May
- Flights to Japan reduced by 50%

AJ will take no pay

Capacity Reductions when compared to 2019:
31% to Asia
19% to North America
17% to Europe
10% to NZ
5% Domestically (Increased from 3%)


When I said QF1/2 down gauge from A380 to B789 I didn’t realise it’ll happen and top it off going via PER. Who knows, if this becomes the norm for the QF1/2 service and QF redirect their connecting services via PER.

Have QF been granted permission by PAPL to operate the additional LHR service service from T3/4.?


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There is plenty is space at T3, although there is only capacity for two widebodies on jetbridge stands. There is lots of space for boarding with stairs beyond that.


Have QF been granted permission to operate via T3/4?


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It should be in the contract that they signed in 2016 with PER, T3 can be used for international flights on existing services plus LHR and future European services
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:02 am

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When I said QF1/2 down gauge from A380 to B789 I didn’t realise it’ll happen and top it off going via PER. Who knows, if this becomes the norm for the QF1/2 service and QF redirect their connecting services via PER.

Have QF been granted permission by PAPL to operate the additional LHR service service from T3/4.?


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There is plenty is space at T3, although there is only capacity for two widebodies on jetbridge stands. There is lots of space for boarding with stairs beyond that.


Have QF been granted permission to operate via T3/4?


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It should be in the contract that they signed in 2016 with PER, T3 can be used for international flights on existing services plus LHR and future European services

Cheers, I haven’t read the agreement and my understanding additional International services will need to op from T1.

Good to know PAPL have given QF flexibility.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:03 am

How long till VA starts parking up some of its fleet? Must not be that far off in Qantas has made short-hauls cuts....
 
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Tue Mar 10, 2020 5:17 am

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How long till VA starts parking up some of its fleet? Must not be that far off in Qantas has made short-hauls cuts....


A matter of when (not if) in VA's case.

Also rumours (at this stage, not confirmed) that the airlines are negotiating with the Japanese authorities about delaying their HND launches by relaxing the "Use It or Lose It" slot rule, I assume this includes VA.
 
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How long till VA starts parking up some of its fleet? Must not be that far off in Qantas has made short-hauls cuts....


A matter of when (not if) in VA's case.

Also rumours (at this stage, not confirmed) that the airlines are negotiating with the Japanese authorities about delaying their HND launches by relaxing the "Use It or Lose It" slot rule, I assume this includes VA.


So far from what I can tell is VA is currently operating DPS? As normal? Just waiting for that email my trip in April is canceled.
 
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Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:27 am

Sorry if posted earlier: IATA Requests Global Suspension of Slot Rules Due to Coronavirus

Likely to be beneficial for VA (and to a lesser extent QF) in regards to their new Haneda slots.

Source: https://www.iata.org/en/pressroom/pr/2020-03-02-01/
 
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Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:39 am

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Sorry if posted earlier: IATA Requests Global Suspension of Slot Rules Due to Coronavirus

Likely to be beneficial for VA (and to a lesser extent QF) in regards to their new Haneda slots.

Source: https://www.iata.org/en/pressroom/pr/2020-03-02-01/


Probably worth its own thread on the board.
 
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Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:51 am

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How long till VA starts parking up some of its fleet? Must not be that far off in Qantas has made short-hauls cuts....


A matter of when (not if) in VA's case.

Also rumours (at this stage, not confirmed) that the airlines are negotiating with the Japanese authorities about delaying their HND launches by relaxing the "Use It or Lose It" slot rule, I assume this includes VA.


Yeah not surprised about this.

ANA is probably appealing for the same thing for its double daily SYD flight as we could all imagine.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:03 am

I am surprised that they grounded A380’s before 747’s. Seems no groundings for 747.
 
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I am surprised that they grounded A380’s before 747’s. Seems no groundings for 747.

The B747’s off to the rescue yet again with SYD-SCL down gauge to B789 has been delayed, SYD-SFO up gauged to B747.


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:34 am

Important Update Regarding Flexibility for International Bookings

Virgin Australia guests with new or existing international bookings for travel from 10 March through to 30 June 2020 have the option to change their flight to a later date and/or to a different destination, without incurring a change fee. Please note, guests will still be required to pay any fare difference or applicable taxes should the same booking class/fare not be available on the date they wish to rebook

https://www.virginaustralia.com/au/en/bookings/flight-status/travel-alerts/

Good to see VA has now added flexibility to current bookings, although sounds like changes need to be made via there call centre.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:28 am

First numbers released indicating the impact of the slowdown.

SYD released its February 2020 passenger numbers today.

https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/20200310/ ... hgwg7l.pdf

International down 16.8% and domestic down 4.8%.
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Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:34 am

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I am surprised that they grounded A380’s before 747’s. Seems no groundings for 747.


QF do have a lot of types so removing the 744 makes sense, but I think the A380 is just to big and would require a lot of frequencies to be reduced to less than daily, given that they can drop a few routes Without dropping any destinations and keeping frequencies up where they can makes sense, so the 744s stay and the A380s are parked in the short term.

My question is how many of these changes will remain permanently? Like SYD-PER-LHR and 787 on SYD-DFW, and will all of the A380s return? Or will some 744s stay around longer while A380s remain grounded longer term?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:08 am

QF1/2 Schedule Changes: Effective 20APR

QF1:
SYD1545 - 1850PER2020 - 0635LHR - 789

QF2:
LHR2105 - 2050PER2310 - 0510SYD - 789

It seems, they are keeping the LHR slot times.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:26 pm

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Where is QF going to park the A380s? And any others that need parking for a few months? Can ASP handle them?


Nope. Could potentially be distributed around the country? SYD/MEL/PER/BNE.


A lot easier said than done, but could a few extra A380 be pushed through DRS and AUH?



Are you meaning that QF push through the cabin refurbs faster than planned with the grounding of so many A380s?

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:41 pm

Well fingers crossed that nothing should change to QF2 this coming Sat. Never flown a QF A380 and hoping that this should still be the case.

My slight concern is flights to SIN in end of May. Currently booked on QF to SIN with EK taking me to DXB/DUS. Haven’t seen any news about massive reductions to SIN yet unless I’ve missed it.

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 6:37 pm

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
Well fingers crossed that nothing should change to QF2 this coming Sat. Never flown a QF A380 and hoping that this should still be the case.

My slight concern is flights to SIN in end of May. Currently booked on QF to SIN with EK taking me to DXB/DUS. Haven’t seen any news about massive reductions to SIN yet unless I’ve missed it.

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QF2 changes are only effective 20 April I believe so you will still get the chance to fly QF A380

As for SIN at the end of May, I would envisage QF contacting you to discuss options if you were on QF1 SYD-SIN, otherwise they would look to move you to the other option SYD-SIN if that flight has been postponed until mid September with all the changes.

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Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:49 pm

Virgin to update investors as its bonds lose altitude
Source (Paywall): https://www.theaustralian.com.au/busine ... 1c225f450a

Virgin Australia is expected to update the market on Wednesday surrounding its current state of affairs as its debt investors, who have watched the $100 they paid for their bonds slide to $62, remain on tenterhooks.

The carrier is under the spotlight as the aviation industry remains in turmoil due to the coronavirus and the extent of the damage depends how long the health crisis continues.

Virgin Australia is buckling under adjusted net debt of $5bn when its market value is only $675m and it posted an $88.6m half-year loss. Its bonds slid to $62 on Tuesday morning before rebounding to $72 later in the day, only months after investors took up the offer.

Trading is slim in the Virgin bonds, which are listed here in Australia, with only 16,631 traded by Tuesday morning.

Yet some believe a bailout of the carrier by shareholders such as Singapore Airlines would occur before it would be allowed to collapse. Singapore Airlines has been tipped before to be keen to secure a stronger grip on Virgin Australia, and the situation could even be used as an opportunity to take more market share away from Qantas.


Re SQ: I remember "tipping" about a "takeover" or "larger stake" article at the start of the year in the January Australian Aviation Thread. So that's one tip checked, and as per the outcome of the past few years this new "SQ" observation is odds-on to be "fake news".
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:14 pm

rtav wrote:
QF1/2 Schedule Changes: Effective 20APR

QF1:
SYD1545 - 1850PER2020 - 0635LHR - 789

QF2:
LHR2105 - 2050PER2310 - 0510SYD - 789

It seems, they are keeping the LHR slot times.


I wonder if they will cancel the existing QF568 red eye ex PER as both flights will be at the same time.

Out of interest, would the A380 or 744ER be able to carry a greater load on PER-LHR?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:35 pm

Chipmunk1973 wrote:
Fuling wrote:
jrfspa320 wrote:

Nope. Could potentially be distributed around the country? SYD/MEL/PER/BNE.


A lot easier said than done, but could a few extra A380 be pushed through DRS and AUH?



Are you meaning that QF push through the cabin refurbs faster than planned with the grounding of so many A380s?

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Yes, that's what I meant sorry. It's been answered above now.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:16 am

Any word on whether QF or VA are planning to freeze frequent flyer membership status temporarily in light of businesses starting to implement non-critical travel bans domestically? Similar to what CX has done? I'm up for renewal of my Velocity Platinum membership in October this year and with my employer essentially putting a stop to all non-critical travel, will likely lose my status at this rate.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:04 am

Qantas has already run a Double SC offer and I'd expect more of that to come - has the advantage of also getting bookings.

They also have a seemingly commonly offered way to retain status for points if you don't requal (from memory 80k Gold, 120k Plat, doesn't matter how far short)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:13 am

Not sure if this is a regular thing but I got a call from QF saying I can extend my gold membership (which I am about to lose) for 12 months if I pay 80,000 points.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 6:31 am

Qantas737 wrote:
Any word on whether QF or VA are planning to freeze frequent flyer membership status temporarily in light of businesses starting to implement non-critical travel bans domestically? Similar to what CX has done? I'm up for renewal of my Velocity Platinum membership in October this year and with my employer essentially putting a stop to all non-critical travel, will likely lose my status at this rate.

Not at this stage. I would think they are probably waiting to see what happens over the next month or so. At the moment int'l business travel has largely disappeared but domestic travel, whilst down, is still happening. If you look like running out of time to make your status, it would be a good idea to give the airline a call and see what they say.

Not sure if this is a regular thing but I got a call from QF saying I can extend my gold membership (which I am about to lose) for 12 months if I pay 80,000 points.

Never heard of this happening before but it is probably good business as it promotes loyalty and they crystalise somewhere between $500 and $800 (depending on how you value a QFF point) as revenue along the way.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:46 am

ben175 wrote:
Not sure if this is a regular thing but I got a call from QF saying I can extend my gold membership (which I am about to lose) for 12 months if I pay 80,000 points.


It's not unusual, a lot of Golds and Platinums who are falling short of the necessary status credits to retain their status are getting those offers from Qantas, 80k-100k points seems to be the spectrum. QF used to comp you for another year if you were fairly close in status credits, but now they've decided this is an opportunity to get some points back, pretty smart move from a business sense.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:49 am

Virgin Australia is expected to update the market on Wednesday surrounding its current state of affairs as its debt investors, who have watched the $100 they paid for their bonds slide to $62, remain on tenterhooks.
The carrier is under the spotlight as the aviation industry remains in turmoil due to the coronavirus and the extent of the damage depends how long the health crisis continues.
Virgin Australia is buckling under adjusted net debt of $5bn when its market value is only $675m and it posted an $88.6m half-year loss. Its bonds slid to $62 on Tuesday morning before rebounding to $72 later in the day, only months after investors took up the offer.


Man, Borghetti really screwed that pooch, didn't he?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:53 am

For all the upcoming changes, the status run on double sc I was doing at the end of April, sadly has less of a meaning for me as being an a geek (like all on here), the 787 flight I purposely selected has been changed to the A333 which is definitely a bit of a bummer!
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:55 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
Virgin Australia is expected to update the market on Wednesday surrounding its current state of affairs as its debt investors, who have watched the $100 they paid for their bonds slide to $62, remain on tenterhooks.
The carrier is under the spotlight as the aviation industry remains in turmoil due to the coronavirus and the extent of the damage depends how long the health crisis continues.
Virgin Australia is buckling under adjusted net debt of $5bn when its market value is only $675m and it posted an $88.6m half-year loss. Its bonds slid to $62 on Tuesday morning before rebounding to $72 later in the day, only months after investors took up the offer.



Man, Borghetti really screwed that pooch, didn't he?


Any update on today’s meeting? Nothing I can find publicly. Only thing close was Paul hitting back at AJs comments around survival of the fittest and Virgin is mostly a domestic carrier and thus less exposed....
 
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Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:40 am

smi0006 wrote:
CraigAnderson wrote:
Virgin Australia is expected to update the market on Wednesday surrounding its current state of affairs as its debt investors, who have watched the $100 they paid for their bonds slide to $62, remain on tenterhooks.
The carrier is under the spotlight as the aviation industry remains in turmoil due to the coronavirus and the extent of the damage depends how long the health crisis continues.
Virgin Australia is buckling under adjusted net debt of $5bn when its market value is only $675m and it posted an $88.6m half-year loss. Its bonds slid to $62 on Tuesday morning before rebounding to $72 later in the day, only months after investors took up the offer.



Man, Borghetti really screwed that pooch, didn't he?


Any update on today’s meeting? Nothing I can find publicly. Only thing close was Paul hitting back at AJs comments around survival of the fittest and Virgin is mostly a domestic carrier and thus less exposed....


Well all honesty AJ isn’t far off the mark.

VA haven’t been able to establish a stable a International network over the years reshuffling their LAX services, failed attempts JNB, AUH didn’t even get off the ground, unfortunately due COVID-19 withdrawal of HKG & newly announced BNE-HND start date questionable even though they have a must use it or lose it situation with their HND slots & the VA/NZ split.

I hope VA pull through and survive and we don’t witness a repeat of AN III


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:44 am

CraigAnderson wrote:
Man, Borghetti really screwed that pooch, didn't he?


Was the current board and management that paid a big multiple to buy back the Velocity stake - and raised all that additional debt that's now trading at $70 down 30%
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:49 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
My question is how many of these changes will remain permanently? Like SYD-PER-LHR and 787 on SYD-DFW

SYD-HND is likely to remain an A330 in the long term.

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