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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:25 pm

sabby wrote:
avier wrote:
qf789 wrote:
All flights to DEL suspended from 600 23 March through to 31 March

https://twitter.com/vinamralongani/stat ... 59713?s=21


Delhi Airport to remain operational for domestic flights: Government

Read more at:
http://m.timesofindia.com/articleshow/7 ... aign=cppst

Thank god DEL airport doesn't come under the jurisdiction of the useless Delhi govt. read Kejriwal. Decisions regarding it come under the central govt.


So the Central Govt. now extended the flight ban to the whole country. Waiting for you to call out the Central Govt. useless now :D


me as well, although credit where credit is due, RG (Rahul Gandhi) had shared on twitter a month back that the govt. is not taking coronavirus seriously enough. Turns out he was right. Call him whatever names, he has been right on lot of occassions.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:45 pm

sabby wrote:
avier wrote:
qf789 wrote:
All flights to DEL suspended from 600 23 March through to 31 March

https://twitter.com/vinamralongani/stat ... 59713?s=21


Delhi Airport to remain operational for domestic flights: Government

Read more at:
http://m.timesofindia.com/articleshow/7 ... aign=cppst

Thank god DEL airport doesn't come under the jurisdiction of the useless Delhi govt. read Kejriwal. Decisions regarding it come under the central govt.


So the Central Govt. now extended the flight ban to the whole country. Waiting for you to call out the Central Govt. useless now :D

They are useless. Because they shutdown whole of Indian aviation okay. :)

But then I realised, it isn't practical for employees to continue working with literally everything (all other modes of transport ) shut. Also read a case (unverified) of a BOM airport security staff tested positive for the virus. So then yeah, this had to be done then.
Hope airlines are given some serious relief from the central govt. and waive off all those insanely hight taxes, surcharges imposed on the aviation sector.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:51 pm

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avier wrote:
Per Govt. Diktat:
So all scheduled passenger flights are banned effective midnight of 24th March, i.e 23:59 hrs on 24th.

https://twitter.com/moneycontrolcom/sta ... 69570?s=19


Good thing: 6E and SG stocks will bottom out now.

IndiGo stock has been fairly resilient in this market carnage. Today it was flat despite Nifty going down by upto 13%.

I got the reason why: only 2% 6E stocks are held by individuals. Rest it's all funds and promoters only.

I seriously don't understand why stock trading hasn't halted yet when literally now everything has come to a halt. Are they wanting all stocks to hit the ground (?).
 
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:24 pm

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I seriously don't understand why stock trading hasn't halted yet when literally now everything has come to a halt. Are they wanting all stocks to hit the ground (?).


Merely stopping trading doesn't change the underlying value of stocks. For instance, there is a futures market where stock prices will fall. Delaying trading just means the cumulative impact of the decline in stock prices will show up on the day the stock market officially opens. Bottom line: Closing a stock market does nothing, in reality.
 
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:30 pm

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Govt must waive of airport parking charges for airlines during this period, or take the credit for next airline crash in India.
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So, your solution is for private operators of an airport (BLR, HYD, etc) to subsidize someone else's loss?
 
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:48 pm

sand26391 wrote:
AVG PAX LOADS OF EU CARRIERS AT BLR FOR MARCH 2020 (Till 22/03)

AIR FRANCE
CDG-BLR= 38.5%
BLR-CDG= 62%

KLM
AMS-BLR= 56.2%
BLR-AMS= 80.3%

LUFTHANSA (Data not avbl for all days)
FRA-BLR= 54%
BLR-FRA= 72%

BRITISH AIRWAYS
LHR-BLR= 43%
BLR-LHR= 68%

Excellent info and thanks for sharing!
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:11 pm

edealinfo wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Govt must waive of airport parking charges for airlines during this period, or take the credit for next airline crash in India.
.


So, your solution is for private operators of an airport (BLR, HYD, etc) to subsidize someone else's loss?


Yes, and govt should subsidize the charges that these operators have to pay to govt
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:38 pm

edealinfo wrote:
avier wrote:
I seriously don't understand why stock trading hasn't halted yet when literally now everything has come to a halt. Are they wanting all stocks to hit the ground (?).


Merely stopping trading doesn't change the underlying value of stocks. For instance, there is a futures market where stock prices will fall. Delaying trading just means the cumulative impact of the decline in stock prices will show up on the day the stock market officially opens. Bottom line: Closing a stock market does nothing, in reality.


+1 it's really a pity that people don't really familiarize themselves with futures and options.

Somehow today I found myself at this pretty old video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-kJ9p21kT4

I was just thinking how Sucheta Dalal must be feeling today. All the things that she was against are now 'normal operations' and lawful. Especially the high-speed algo trading which actually benefits only the big boys and the deck is always set against the small investor. This was just after this govt. came into power. Who profits from it, only the big guys .

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-frequency_trading

At the end, any stock will find its value based on multiple factors, so what is being proposed will just delay the inevitable and it will be much worse as much more uncertainity will be built in.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:44 pm

anshabhi wrote:
edealinfo wrote:
anshabhi wrote:
Govt must waive of airport parking charges for airlines during this period, or take the credit for next airline crash in India.
.


So, your solution is for private operators of an airport (BLR, HYD, etc) to subsidize someone else's loss?


Yes, and govt should subsidize the charges that these operators have to pay to govt


That is wishful thinking but don't think they will do. They already are stretched financially and fiscally. They don't have any room to manoveur. Why it came to so is all of their doing. The easiest question would be to ask is why give 1.44 lakh crore to big corporates which they did last year and this taking from RBI. When other governments are doing all sorts of quantitative easing and even giving checks to $1000 dollars to each and every citizen our govt. can't do nothing. Even if they take down the interest rates, don't see people taking up loans, the only thing which will happen is ever-greening of the loans again in the corporate sector. The 'BIG GREAT Financial Clean-up' is still years away. And don't think this govt. has any motivation to change things, it will rather destroy indian businesses rather than clean them up.
 
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:03 pm

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[The easiest question would be to ask is why give 1.44 lakh crore to big corporates which they did last year and this taking from RBI.


Who were the major beneficiaries of the largess?
 
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:56 pm

Vistara's 2nd 787 has completed its first test flight at Boeing.
 
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 8:59 pm

Unfunded DGCA mandate by DGCA: Keep adjacent seat vacant for passengers
My suggestion. Asks DGCA to pay for the middle seat kept vacant or get law passed by the legislature. Somebody should call DGCA out. They can't make up the rules and expect airlines to fly at losses.

https://www.cnbctv18.com/aviation/keep- ... 537591.htm
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 23, 2020 10:55 pm

edealinfo wrote:
pune wrote:
[The easiest question would be to ask is why give 1.44 lakh crore to big corporates which they did last year and this taking from RBI.


Who were the major beneficiaries of the largess?


The usual suspects, the Ambanis, Adanis for sure. Although it's all corporates. The problem is this Govt. didn't even share the names of the 50 top wilful defaulters who defrauded the banks and fled India. So asking about borrowers whose loans have been written off and ever-greened is gonna be a big task.

See the 1.44 lakh crore thing.

https://indianexpress.com/article/busin ... s-5218043/

Overall, about 5 lakh crore has been given to PSB and this is besides the ever-greening of the loans. Mind you this is all for corporates. Agricultural loans write-offs are strictly no-no.

See the Q&A by him on the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RA84KpIQBQ

And look at Raghuram Rajan understanding and thought clarity at the Economic Outlook at Chicago Booth .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hM92WLR0pFs

If Raghuram was there, I am sure we would not have been in this deep trouble that we are.

Our loss is their gain :(
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:04 pm

edealinfo wrote:
Unfunded DGCA mandate by DGCA: Keep adjacent seat vacant for passengers
My suggestion. Asks DGCA to pay for the middle seat kept vacant or get law passed by the legislature. Somebody should call DGCA out. They can't make up the rules and expect airlines to fly at losses.

https://www.cnbctv18.com/aviation/keep- ... 537591.htm


Or they should provide stop-gap funding. Something on the lines of Udaan although in affect they never gave much though.

But as I shared before, all the largesse has been either given to corporates or social welfare schemes which leaks to god knows where, the end though nothing makes sense. According to Dr. Dr Ramanan Laxminarayan we could be in pretty bad shape, something close to 60% of our population could be affected . See -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrrsXCxs2xg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HmlsjsVCLQ

Dunno if you have seen this movie which is about a virus breakout which happened in Kerala couple of years back and how they fought it.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8941440/

Caution though - There is some hard viewing and the movie stays in your mind for at least couple of days.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:42 am

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Or they should provide stop-gap funding. Something on the lines of Udaan although in affect they never gave much though.
s.


Here are my thoughts of bringing relief to the airline sector:

1. Get rid of RGD or whatever it is called. Why should airlines subsidize government policy? Its not like airlines are floating in money. They never were. Use UDAAN as a full substitute for RGD. This way, an as an analogy only, instead of having 5 flights a day between Aurangabad and Agra maybe we can have just 1, thereby matching capacity to demand.

2. Allow airlines to borrow from abroad. They mustn't be forced to borrow from Indian banks at a ridiculous rate of interest. Besides, let the foreign lenders take the risk!

3. Buy OIL now while it is $25 a barrel and load up on it. Heck, even Trump has asked his government to fill up the strategic reserves when prices have never been this low in a long time. Let airlines access fuel prices tied to this $25 price for a whole year. No one can claim this is a gift if the Government also bought it at $25 and sold it to the airlines at the same price + taxes.

4. Use coronovirus as an excuse to bring ATF under GST. This may be hard to pull off which is why it is lower on my list).

5. Have the lowest rate of GST for maintenance of aircraft. Use the excuse that one cannot compromise on security, and given the precarious finances of airlines, you don't want airlines to skimp on maintenance.

6. Shut down Air India domestic except for flights originating or ending at slot constricted airports. This will also somewhat strengthen the private airlines while avoiding Air India from operating on routes which not only have competition from the private airlines but which are also probably making losses for AI.
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 24, 2020 1:44 am

pune wrote:
Asks DGCA to pay for the middle seat kept vacant or get law passed by the legislature. Somebody should call DGCA out. They can't make up the rules and expect airlines to fly at losses.


16.8-17.2 inch width with 28-32 inch pitch, no masks for anyone is not the way to avoid communicable diseases. Airlines had a good run, and this has to end.

Unlike private carriers around the world, Indian private carriers charge below cost. So for a change, they can do the math with empty middle seat and charge appropriate fare.

I will sell below cost until weak competitors or me go out of business is not viable forever.
 
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Tue Mar 24, 2020 8:22 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
pune wrote:
Asks DGCA to pay for the middle seat kept vacant or get law passed by the legislature. Somebody should call DGCA out. They can't make up the rules and expect airlines to fly at losses.


16.8-17.2 inch width with 28-32 inch pitch, no masks for anyone is not the way to avoid communicable diseases. Airlines had a good run, and this has to end.

Unlike private carriers around the world, Indian private carriers charge below cost. So for a change, they can do the math with empty middle seat and charge appropriate fare.

I will sell below cost until weak competitors or me go out of business is not viable forever.


the point is, will they do it and will passengers rationalize it the way you did it. I personally don't intend to fly at least for another 3 -6 months till things don't stabilize a bit. Let the pandemic get over . Flying under such conditions is akin to playing the Russian Roulette. And anyways, this is all idle talk as till 31st March no planes flying anywhere. and I suspect the lockdown to go into a more serious mode before it gets better.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 24, 2020 11:48 am

Not everyone 'sells below cost'. Some genuinely have lower costs than others. It gives them an advantage. They are completely within their right to leverage that advantage to push weak competitors over the cliff. It's business at the end of the day!

In fact, IMHO, they are perfecting the fine art of extracting money from a cost-conscious domestic market (of fliers) as large as ours, whilst still staying afloat.

I'm afraid, the airline business is not as simple, two-dimensional and 'black-and-white' as our MantriJi would want to portray it to be. He was the one who claimed earlier this year that airlines are 'selling below cost'. Because, of course, the costs of an Indian FSC twenty years ago are the same as those of an LCC today, right??! :lol:

"The interesting thing that we have observed is that on Delhi-Mumbai route 20 years ago the average fare was of Rs 5,100. Today, the average fare is Rs 4,600. Some predatory pricing is taking place. It means people are selling tickets below their cost," Puri told reporters.


There are already many non-metro routes in India where IndiGo has a monopoly and has no reason to price below cost. On some other sectors, they have the most convenient timings while the competition doesn't - giving them more opportunities to avoid selling "below cost". Additionally because of their size, they are able offer many more, convenient one-stop itineraries via domestic hubs like BLR and HYD.
At lower prices.
Which is all that the 'customer' cares about.
 
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Tue Mar 24, 2020 10:48 pm

Out of all the carriers in India still flying today, which ones, if any, do you think are most likely to go bust?
 
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:47 am

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Out of all the carriers in India still flying today, which ones, if any, do you think are most likely to go bust?


Go Air and Spice Jet.

Vistara has Tata behind them so they could escape perhaps.. AirAsia India is somewhat a mystery, it is a foreign owned airline masquerading as an Indian carrier, due to the connections to its parent, it will remain (unless its parent goes bust). TruJet relies on UDAN routes, so may be it will be viable. Indigo is the strongest, but it is ordering aircraft at a rapid pace, don't know if the Indian market can absorb so many new planes.
 
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:50 am

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acavpics wrote:
Out of all the carriers in India still flying today, which ones, if any, do you think are most likely to go bust?


Go Air and Spice Jet.

Vistara has Tata behind them so they could escape perhaps.. AirAsia India is somewhat a mystery, it is a foreign owned airline masquerading as an Indian carrier, due to the connections to its parent, it will remain (unless its parent goes bust). TruJet relies on UDAN routes, so may be it will be viable. Indigo is the strongest, but it is ordering aircraft at a rapid pace, don't know if the Indian market can absorb so many new planes.


What specifically about G8 and SG place them at the highest risk? And yes, it is quite possible that 6E could defer many of the planes it has to offer. It will give them time to let demand rebound and fix the issues with the PW engines.
 
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:13 am

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Out of all the carriers in India still flying today, which ones, if any, do you think are most likely to go bust?


Spicejet is worst placed for dealing with this. Then I think GoAir and AirAsia. Not sure how much money TATA and SQ are willing to pump into Vistara. IndiGo is best placed to handle this. However, no one really can withstand extended periods of a shutdown and the aviation industry is going to be reeling under this catastrophe for quite some time after this is done.
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:21 am

There is no doubt SG is the financially weakest, but that never stopped Indian government from tweaking the rules to help only SG. It would no different from the past.

Vistara along with non-performing TATA Group establishments depend on TCS revenue. With India in lock down and most of the oversees client sites closed, TCS is either under severe stress, or work-from-home for everyone might have created windfall of new projects.
 
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 7:28 am

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There is no doubt SG is the financially weakest, but that never stopped Indian government from tweaking the rules to help only SG. It would no different from the past.


That was what was said of Jet Airways also. It really depends on -

a. How GOI feels about SG today ?
b. How good is GOI with it's cash-flow. With so many demands for its resources (money) and so few resources, it can only do so much. As it is, just today was hearing on CNBC how commodity prices (read veggies) have risen at least 20% across the board. This means food inflation which was already high, would be that much more out of sync than what the Govt. said it was doing, targeting inflation.

dtw2hyd wrote:
Vistara along with non-performing TATA Group establishments depend on TCS revenue. With India in lock down and most of the oversees client sites closed, TCS is either under severe stress, or work-from-home for everyone might have created windfall of new projects.


not necessarily on the new projects. Because of the unprecedented times, most clients would prefer to conserve their cash as the situation is still evolving. It could be a month, it could be 6 months, we don't know. And what people forget is cash-flows are nowadays nearly global. So it will move where it well get the most benefit (return) while at the same time it will be safest. On both those accounts, India ranks much lower to its immediate neighbors, forget the rest of the world.
 
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:02 pm

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AirAsia India is somewhat a mystery, it is a foreign owned airline masquerading as an Indian carrier


You are parroting the fallacy promoted by Subramanium Swamy.
 
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 1:42 pm

What's required each day of parked planes:

"The parked planes need to be serviced daily by a team of 10 people. Every day, each plane needs to have its engine run, has to taxi far enough for the tires to rotate fully, and has to have its hydraulics, avionics and electronics checked."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/busi ... lines.html?
 
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:03 pm

Air India to incur ₹30-35 crore loss per day following suspension of operations

https://www.thehindu.com/business/Indus ... 161221.ece?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:15 pm

6E offers its resources to government for critical cargo transportation...
https://m.republicworld.com/business-ne ... untry.html
 
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 2:22 pm

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6E offers its resources to government for critical cargo transportation...
https://m.republicworld.com/business-ne ... untry.html


A strategic move to find favor for the airlines in a potential government bailout package to the corporate sector. Each sector will have to angle for their share of the pie and what better way than showing your tangible support for governmental policy. Having said that, hats off to the Government for taking a bold approach on coronovirus. It's very unpopular implementing a nationwide quarantine but very good for teh elderly and for the good of public health.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:27 pm

Even though Metallic birds are put to rest for sometime in India its great to hear the real birds chirping and flying freely...The sounds of Nature are just beautiful !

Im sure during these 21 days of lockdown in India and lockdown at other major cities Mother Earth will have a great rest !!

Stay Safe fellaz and Stay at home !!
 
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Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:29 pm

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What's required each day of parked planes:

"The parked planes need to be serviced daily by a team of 10 people. Every day, each plane needs to have its engine run, has to taxi far enough for the tires to rotate fully, and has to have its hydraulics, avionics and electronics checked."

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/25/busi ... lines.html?


Not sure where NYT got this info, most of it is not true.
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:12 am

SpiceJet has returned 5 wet leased 737 to Turkish Corendon airline
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 3:30 am

Has the DGCA “permanently” allotted Jet’s slots to other carriers or is it still continuing the charade that it is a “temporary” allotment pending the final sale/ bankruptcy of Jet that has just got a fresh 90 day extension?
 
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Thu Mar 26, 2020 7:17 am

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SpiceJet has returned 5 wet leased 737 to Turkish Corendon airline

Please post links;
https://www.financialexpress.com/indust ... 9286/lite/

Personally, I disagree with the rapid conclusions of the link I found. Any wise airline would be cutting expenses right now.

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Thu Mar 26, 2020 1:38 pm

India’s airlines have grounded over 650 planes. Where are they parked? - MoneyControl.com
A NetworkThoughts analysis aided by FlightRadar24 shows that Delhi has one-third of India’s commercial fleet parked after the grounding. A staggering 205 aircraft across airlines are parked at the New Delhi airport. IndiGo – India’s largest carrier by domestic market share and fleet — has over 60 aircraft parked at Delhi. That is one-fourth of its fleet. National carrier Air India, which has its hub at Delhi, has nearly 50 percent of its fleet parked there.

Mumbai is seeing nearly 100 aircraft across airlines being parked, followed by Bengaluru, which has 71 aircraft, and Hyderabad with 61. The Airports Authority of India controlled Kolkata and Chennai airports come in next with 54 and 53 aircraft, respectively.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:53 am

Govt Helps Divestment-bound Air India Avoid Default, Refinances Rs 700-cr NCDs

https://www.news18.com/amp/news/busines ... ssion=true
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:05 pm

I spotted on Fr24 Alliance Air operating some limited ATR ops. One seem like a scheduled flight CCU-Lilabri, flying as per it's normal schedule. Intersting to see some flights during curfew. Maybe they realised some parts of country are vital for certain connectivity.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:30 pm

Emirates NS20 operations as of 0930GMT 27MAR20

Dubai – Ahmedabad eff 01JUL20 1 daily 777-200LR
Dubai – Bangalore eff 01MAY20 28 weekly 777-200LR/-300ER
Dubai – Chennai eff 01MAY20 21 weekly 777-300ER
Dubai – Delhi eff 01MAY20 4 daily 777-300ER
Dubai – Hyderabad eff 01MAY20 3 daily 777-300ER
Dubai – Kochi eff 01JUL20 2 daily 777-200LR/-300ER
Dubai – Kolkata eff 01JUL20 11 weekly 777-300ER
Dubai – Mumbai eff 01MAY20 35 weekly 777-200LR/-300ER/A380
Dubai – Thiruvananthapuram eff 01JUL20 1 daily 777-300ER

Is that a spelling mistake? Shudnt it be 24x weekly for BLR?

Link: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-27mar20/
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:37 pm

Airline crew apparently stuck in various parts of the country and unable to get back to home base. Yikes..

IndiGo crew stuck as govt withholds permission for ferry flights

https://wap.business-standard.com/artic ... ssion=true
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:43 pm

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Some more 'prioritisation' on display, as Dubai's quota of weekly seats on Dubai-India BASA see another round of re-allocation.

Emirates filed plans of flying 28-Weekly to Bengaluru, effective 01 May 2020 as per AirlineRoute. Same source says Trivandrum will be served 7 weekly from the same date.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-27mar20/

That's just what @Sand26391 posted on top seeking clarification.
Also, was TRV more than x1 daily before this?
And yeah, BLR seems more promising than other smaller towns offcourse.
 
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Fri Mar 27, 2020 5:50 pm

avier wrote:
trinidadeG wrote:

Some more 'prioritisation' on display, as Dubai's quota of weekly seats on Dubai-India BASA see another round of re-allocation.

Emirates filed plans of flying 28-Weekly to Bengaluru, effective 01 May 2020 as per AirlineRoute. Same source says Trivandrum will be served 7 weekly from the same date.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-27mar20/

That's just what @Sand26391 posted on top seeking clarification.
Also, was TRV more than x1 daily before this?
And yeah, BLR seems more promising than other smaller towns offcourse.


Just saw his reply. was going to delete my post because it was partly based on his tweets. Lets wait for AirlineRoute to clarify.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 6:43 pm

trinidadeG wrote:
avier wrote:
trinidadeG wrote:

Some more 'prioritisation' on display, as Dubai's quota of weekly seats on Dubai-India BASA see another round of re-allocation.

Emirates filed plans of flying 28-Weekly to Bengaluru, effective 01 May 2020 as per AirlineRoute. Same source says Trivandrum will be served 7 weekly from the same date.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-27mar20/

That's just what @Sand26391 posted on top seeking clarification.
Also, was TRV more than x1 daily before this?
And yeah, BLR seems more promising than other smaller towns offcourse.


Just saw his reply. was going to delete my post because it was partly based on his tweets. Lets wait for AirlineRoute to clarify.

So per @ojas_purandare
It was indeed a trade w/ TRV
https://twitter.com/ojas_purandare/stat ... 27104?s=20

but according to @VarunRamS1TRV has been 7xWeekly for some time now.
https://twitter.com/sandeeprrao1991/sta ... 68581?s=20

My first instinct was that if not TRV, it probably was a combination for cuts from AMD and HYD - I wasn't sure and could not confirm if HYD was 4xDaily or saw some days with 4 services.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:28 pm

I think it's very likely that its been an error from the website. I don't see EK increasing freq to BLR, also I don't see any change in freq to any other Indian city.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:15 am

^^ Might also have to see if Flydubai made any changes to transfer seats to EK.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 10:09 am

VTORD wrote:
trinidadeG wrote:
avier wrote:
That's just what @Sand26391 posted on top seeking clarification.
Also, was TRV more than x1 daily before this?
And yeah, BLR seems more promising than other smaller towns offcourse.


Just saw his reply. was going to delete my post because it was partly based on his tweets. Lets wait for AirlineRoute to clarify.

So per @ojas_purandare
It was indeed a trade w/ TRV
https://twitter.com/ojas_purandare/stat ... 27104?s=20

but according to @VarunRamS1TRV has been 7xWeekly for some time now.
https://twitter.com/sandeeprrao1991/sta ... 68581?s=20

My first instinct was that if not TRV, it probably was a combination for cuts from AMD and HYD - I wasn't sure and could not confirm if HYD was 4xDaily or saw some days with 4 services.



HYD was always 3xDaily 777-300ER.There is no cut capacity .Emirates would never cut Capacity on their prime Indian routes BLR,MAA,HYD.

Regarding BLR increase there is still usual schedule of 24 Weekly services with 777- 200LR/300 on EK website .There is no Flydubai BLR schedule further listing .

HYD,MAA has flydubai ,AI schedules.6E is on all three

Further Regarding BA schedule(15 APR-30 APR).
LHR-BLR :A35K Reduce from 7 weekly to alternating days, A350-1000XWB operating.
LHR-HYD:Reduce from 1 daily to alternating days, 787-8/-9 operating
LHR-MAA:23MAR20 – 30APR20 1 daily cancelled.
LHR-BOM:Reduce from 19 to 7 weekly, 787-8 replaces 777-200ER.(15-30 APR).

EY(For the period of 10APR20 – 30APR20, planned operation as follows)
Abu Dhabi – Bangalore 1 daily 787-9/A320
Abu Dhabi – Chennai 1 daily A321
Abu Dhabi – Delhi 1 daily 777-300ER/787-9/787-10
Abu Dhabi – Hyderabad 1 daily A320/321/787-9/777-300ER
Abu Dhabi – Thiruvananthapuram 1 daily A320
Abu Dhabi – Mumbai 2 daily A321/777-300ER/787-10
Abu Dhabi – Kochi 1 daily A321
Abu Dhabi – Kolkata 4 weekly A320
Abu Dhabi – Kozhikode 1 daily A320/321.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:22 pm

ANA update....

Tokyo Narita – Chennai 3 weekly 787-8 (resumes on 16APR20)
Tokyo Narita – Mumbai 1 daily 787-9 (resumes on 16APR20

source:https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/290529/ana-29mar20-24apr20-international-operations-as-of-27mar20/
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:25 pm

Seems like IndiGo is the only one that will survive the Chinese Virus as per bloomberg Id also add AI to the list being GOI Sweetheart ofcorse !

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... llion-blow
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:27 pm

adi00654 wrote:

HYD was always 3xDaily 777-300ER.There is no cut capacity .Emirates would never cut Capacity on their prime Indian routes BLR,MAA,HYD.

Regarding BLR increase there is still usual schedule of 24 Weekly services with 777- 200LR/300 on EK website .There is no Flydubai BLR schedule further listing .

HYD,MAA has flydubai ,AI schedules.6E is on all three


Sorry that was my bad on HYD. Don't know why I thought they were 4x for whatever reason. Apologies. Most likely looks like a typo then (28 in place of 24)?
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:07 pm

https://simpleflying.com/garuda-air-ind ... lot-lease/

It is a shame that the geniuses at Air Vistara didn't pick these up. Air India pulled the rug from under Vistara's feet. Now Vistara has a brand new 787 that will be baking under the sun for months on end.
 
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Re: Indian Aviation Thread - March 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:02 pm

edealinfo wrote:
https://simpleflying.com/garuda-air-india-heathrow-slot-lease/

It is a shame that the geniuses at Air Vistara didn't pick these up. Air India pulled the rug from under Vistara's feet. Now Vistara has a brand new 787 that will be baking under the sun for months on end.


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