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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:52 am

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I think after this, all the major airlines in the U.S. will be charging $35 for baggage.


Even the major US airline that currently charges $0 for baggage? Nope.


Oops, forgot about WN. I'll reword it to most major carriers.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:01 am

Israeli passengers on the Diamond Princess cruise ship who was hospitalized in Japan due to the coronavirus and subsequently recovered returned to Israel on Turkish Airlines TK53 (NRT-IST) and TK784 (IST to TLV) to be diagnosed with the virus again a few hours later.
The Israeli government ordered everyone on TK784 to self-quarantine.
A Taiwanese tourist group (less than 20 pax) was on TK784. TK is ferrying a 737-900ER TC-JYD with these travelers to Taipei (TK6884 IST -> Karachi, Pakistan -> TPE). With less than 20 pax onboard, the 739ER should be able to fly from KHI to TPE (3300 nm) & TPE to DEL (2750 nm) nonstop.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:09 am

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If ordinary ticket revenues collapse due to loss of demand, airlines will find all kinds of creative ways to avoid going bankrupt...

You might have a look at the mix of ticket vs. other revenues. An extra $5 a checked bag won't make up much of a shortfall. Not flying planes but still paying people means about 70% of typical expenses need to be covered. Fuel is the big savings. Landing fees aren't much.

AA employees don't have to worry, of course, because Parker said AA could never lose money again!
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:10 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
If ordinary ticket revenues collapse due to loss of demand, airlines will find all kinds of creative ways to avoid going bankrupt...

You might have a look at the mix of ticket vs. other revenues. An extra $5 a checked bag won't make up much of a shortfall. Not flying planes but still paying people means about 70% of typical expenses need to be covered. Fuel is the big savings. Landing fees aren't much.

AA employees don't have to worry, of course, because Parker said AA could never lose money again!


As I said earlier I don't believe AA/UAL/SWA/DAL will lose money. The way the industry is organized now they'll probably still turn small profits. That is unless this thing starts killing 10% or more the people it infects which won't happen
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:22 am

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1989worstyear wrote:

This confirms early retirement of the pre-1988 types.


huh? what pre-1988 types?


Why would the year 1988 be relevant at all?


Exactly. Especially since there are no pre-1989 757s or 767s active.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:32 am

Cathay Pacific currently has around 120 planes parked at HKG

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/tra ... hes-nearly
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:38 am

A coronavirus alert has been issued for QR908 arriving into SYD on the 23 Feb 20 after a passenger was diagnosed with Coronavirus

https://australianaviation.com.au/2020/ ... ney-qr908/
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:46 am

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2nd death in 48 hours reported in Washington State, specifically the Seattle area.

So do the airlines start suspending flights to SEA? (only half joking)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/washi ... r-BB10A0Aq


That one was in the nursing home. They'll probably get several deaths in there at least. I would not be surprised if a week from today that nursing home has 10 times the deaths as the entire US has outside of there
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:51 am

Emirates has 13 A380's currently in storage at DWC

https://twitter.com/a380fanclub/status/ ... 18658?s=20
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:15 am

What is AS going to do with the virus exploding in PNW
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:51 am

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What is AS going to do with the virus exploding in PNW


Reduce capacity by letting Airbus leases expire while collecting compensation for late MAX aircraft?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:08 am

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What is AS going to do with the virus exploding in PNW


Reduce capacity by letting Airbus leases expire while collecting compensation for late MAX aircraft?


How many of those leases are expiring in the next three months?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:56 am

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After 9/11, U.S. airlines reduced service by getting rid of in-flight meals. Do you think due to this coronavirus outbreak, airlines will reduce service again by getting rid of snacks, charging for drinks, increasing checked bag fees, etc?


Before we get to crazy with comparisons, this can get ugly but comparing this to 9/11 is a bit of an exaggeration. Let’s think about this, on 9/11 US airlines were grounded for a few days, we had an airport (DCA shut down for a few months) people were afraid to fly, etc, etc. 9/11 was a quick and extreme shock to the world, in an instant life as we know it changed (particularly in the airline industry).


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I think this Virus can be far more disruptive to the Airline Industry than 9/11. A few days after the 9/11 incident most flights were basically back to their timetables, at least outside the US. I'm sure there would have been some capacity reduction on non US routes but nothing on the scale of what we are seeing now. To an extent Aircraft can be protected against Terrorist attacks and the extensive increases in Security that were introduced have worked pretty well, touch wood. But Viruses can't be denied entry to an Aircraft, unless some new Technology emerges that can test people when they check in.

Corona has already caused massive disruption to Air Travel in China, Korea, Iran and Italy. A high percentage of International flights to these Countries, which have a combined population of over 2 Billion, have been cancelled. And we are only at the very start of the outbreak, it's hardly got a foothold in most Countries but more major outbreaks look to be inevitable. I expect there will be fifth Country go past 1000 cases reported in the next week or so and if that happens flights to that Country will be cut back severely. It's impossible to know where we will be by the end of the year but Health Authorities would have to be planning for at least 1 million infections world wide. That level of disease would result in a lot of Parked Aircraft.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:08 am

Pentaprism wrote:
chepos wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
After 9/11, U.S. airlines reduced service by getting rid of in-flight meals. Do you think due to this coronavirus outbreak, airlines will reduce service again by getting rid of snacks, charging for drinks, increasing checked bag fees, etc?


Before we get to crazy with comparisons, this can get ugly but comparing this to 9/11 is a bit of an exaggeration. Let’s think about this, on 9/11 US airlines were grounded for a few days, we had an airport (DCA shut down for a few months) people were afraid to fly, etc, etc. 9/11 was a quick and extreme shock to the world, in an instant life as we know it changed (particularly in the airline industry).


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I think this Virus can be far more disruptive to the Airline Industry than 9/11. A few days after the 9/11 incident most flights were basically back to their timetables, at least outside the US. I'm sure there would have been some capacity reduction on non US routes but nothing on the scale of what we are seeing now. To an extent Aircraft can be protected against Terrorist attacks and the extensive increases in Security that were introduced have worked pretty well, touch wood. But Viruses can't be denied entry to an Aircraft, unless some new Technology emerges that can test people when they check in.

Corona has already caused massive disruption to Air Travel in China, Korea, Iran and Italy. A high percentage of International flights to these Countries, which have a combined population of over 2 Billion, have been cancelled. And we are only at the very start of the outbreak, it's hardly got a foothold in most Countries but more major outbreaks look to be inevitable. I expect there will be fifth Country go past 1000 cases reported in the next week or so and if that happens flights to that Country will be cut back severely. It's impossible to know where we will be by the end of the year but Health Authorities would have to be planning for at least 1 million infections world wide. That level of disease would result in a lot of Parked Aircraft.


In general there will be 4 more markets that could result in massive damage to airlines:

1. Widespread domestic shut down of flights in Japan. As Japan is already on the brink of a massive spread a shut down of air and train travel would result in a massive hit to airlines, domestic and international
2. Another big outbreak in Europe. Especially if it hits the UK, France or Germany. If it hits travel to London, Paris or a major airport in Germany (FRA, MUC) there will be a massive hit to all airlines in Europe as well as international carriers
3. An outbreak in the US will have the same impact as one more in Europe. Massive domestic disruptions and damage to international carriers.
4. India: While the hit to international carriers will be of lesser extent, the domestic market would take a huge hit.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:40 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-asia-51701043

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A number of airlines in Europe have said they're suspending or cutting down flights.
German airline Lufthansa said it's suspending all flights to China until 24 April, and to the Iranian capital Tehran until 30 April. It's adjusting its flights to northern Italy, which is the worst-hit country in Europe.
Austrian Airlines also said it was cutting its flights to Italy by 40% in March and April, and Brussels Airlines is cutting flights to Rome, Milan, Venice and Bologna by 30% until 14 March.
Eurowings said it was reducing its flights to some Italian destinations until 8 March.

For me, this raises two questions;

1. Will Germany/Lufthansa let the route to Tehran lapse, as opposed to directly banning it.

2. How many of the routes from Germany/Austria and Belgium be viable until the outbreak in Italy is clearly on the downturn?.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:41 am

Indonesia has just announced the first confirmed case, involving 2 Indonesians who were in contact with the 2 Japanese that were diagnosed with Corona earlier in Malaysia.

No news from the aviation side yet, but those a-hole reseller already marked up the price of alcohol handrub by 300% just hours after the official press release!
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:53 am

32andBelow wrote:
What is AS going to do with the virus exploding in PNW


Exploding? I bet there were more seasonal flu cases in that same time frame
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:08 pm

Here is the list of suspension of more flights to/from Italy, Iran and Korea following Coronavirus.

https://simpleflying.com/coronavirus-su ... dates/amp/
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:10 pm

However, seems like TG has not yet reduce or cancelled flights to Korea yet just like other airlines does.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:51 pm

Lufthansa expects to reduce its flights by up to 25 percent in the coming weeks by cutting the number of its short- and medium-haul flights by up to a quarter and grounding 23 of its long-haul planes. There is also an immediate freeze of new hires and use of unpaid leave and additional short-time work to cut costs.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:59 pm

SQ789 wrote:
However, seems like TG has not yet reduce or cancelled flights to Korea yet just like other airlines does.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-27feb20/

They did reduced the number of flights. Seems like they'll continue to fly to ICN and PUS, though, albeit at a much reduced schedule.

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2. Another big outbreak in Europe. Especially if it hits the UK, France or Germany. If it hits travel to London, Paris or a major airport in Germany (FRA, MUC) there will be a massive hit to all airlines in Europe as well as international carriers


Europe is certainly not looking great right now. While an Italian style outbreak is not happening in Germany or France yet, the number of cases in both country keep tickling up.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:01 pm

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32andBelow wrote:
What is AS going to do with the virus exploding in PNW


Exploding? I bet there were more seasonal flu cases in that same time frame


So much hyperbole and sensationalism going on.

Face it, the fact is that Seattle has had this going around for months now with it's Asian connections, the current numbers tell me it's not as severe as being made out to be in terms of mortality. I'm sure there thousands more that are carrying the virus. A lot of the people testing positive are showing no to very mild symptoms. It is however very serious for those with major issues already, just like the flu and pneumonia.

When they report 100k positive cases, that's an explosion we have already had some school district close down for up to a week this year for the flu and nothing was thought of it except for the kids having to make those days up at the end of the year.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:08 pm

Our family trip to DXB on 13 Mar (ret 22 Mar) to visit my expat sister who lives in Ruwais City remains as planned, BUT we are concerned not about getting sick but about the possibility of getting quarantined. Someone they know got quarantined in a hotel high-rise in AUH (Abu Dhabi) for two weeks. The reason: that's the same hotel the two infected Italian Tour de France cyclists are (were?) staying at.

Because all but one night will be spent at hotels, we're debating whether to go. In any case, EK hasn't waived their change fee ($300 per person, for 4 people...plus fare difference) so we're still in limbo about our trip.

EDIT: slight clarification.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:10 pm

Flight global is reporting up to a 25% reduction in the LH group short haul capacity in reaction to this virus. Mainly destinations in Italy.

“ Lufthansa is reducing frequencies across eight Italian destinations - Milan, Venice, Rome, Turin, Verona, Bologna, Ancona and Pisa - as well as some German domestic services.

Austrian is cutting its flight programme to Italy by 40% over the net two months, while Brussels Airlines will reduce flights across four Italian routes by 30% over the next two weeks.”

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:10 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
chepos wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
After 9/11, U.S. airlines reduced service by getting rid of in-flight meals. Do you think due to this coronavirus outbreak, airlines will reduce service again by getting rid of snacks, charging for drinks, increasing checked bag fees, etc?


Before we get to crazy with comparisons, this can get ugly but comparing this to 9/11 is a bit of an exaggeration. Let’s think about this, on 9/11 US airlines were grounded for a few days, we had an airport (DCA shut down for a few months) people were afraid to fly, etc, etc. 9/11 was a quick and extreme shock to the world, in an instant life as we know it changed (particularly in the airline industry).


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In fairness - we have no idea what the next few months to a year hold for the industry. Who knows how bad this thing could get, or whether people will be willing to travel and fly.

Not saying it’s 9/11 bad - but it certainly could result in an industry crisis. Not to mention the longer term potential fallout as folks realize the benefits of distance meetings


It is being fed by media. And we know certain media use exagerative language, and a whole town of people doing a run on supplies due to perhaps exagerated language about one infected individual is becoming a common phenomenon. God help us all. Those of us who fly regularly havent taken our socks off. At least not yet as far as I can tell. But for the vast majority.... the scare tactics are taking hold and the industry is feeling the effects, far beyond a logical and proportional reaction. Where does it end?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:17 pm

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Our family trip to DXB on 13 Mar (ret 22 Mar) to visit my expat sister who lives in Ruwais City remains as planned, BUT we are concerned not about getting sick but about the possibility of getting quarantined. Someone they know got quarantined in a hotel high-rise in AUH (Abu Dhabi) for two weeks. The reason: that's the same hotel the two infected Italian Tour de France cyclists are (were?) staying at.

Because all but one night will be spent at hotels, we're debating whether to go. In any case, EK hasn't waived their change fee ($300 per person, for 4 people...plus fare difference) so we're still in limbo about our trip.

EDIT: slight clarification.


I am due to fly to US coast in early April, haven't cancelled it yet but not so sure what to do ! especially with very young kid. We are so much looking fwd to this trip and already feeling gutted as it is not looking optimistic atm and situation might turn even worse in next 2-4 weeks? no one knows ! my tickets are flexi, I get 90% refund after cancellation and I can re-book it through same service provider within 1 calendar year after the cancellation.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:27 pm

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Those travel restrictions are not very helpful, they might slow the virus down but they will not stop it. It also seems that the virus is already present in many areas, including the US, it just has not been detected yet, so this is coming too late.

Those measures are taken because they make people feel better and are easy to implement. But they would make more sense if they were coming along with serious (but costly) health-related measures:
- accelerated production of respirators to help people whose illness evolves into pneumonia
- accelerated production and stockpiling of other medical supplies that although not 100% effective, will help diseased people: masks, steroids, antibiotics, vitamins, pain relievers...
- guarantee of free healthcare for corona victims, if governments do not subsidize them, uninsured victims will delay care and put themselves and others further at risk.

Bankrupting airlines and telling people to wash their hands and stay home are not convincing measures.


A reputable viral expert with the Hutchison Cancer Center estimates, from genetic assessment, that there are likely a few hundred people in the PNW who are carrying the virus. The time is now to take appropriate steps. Hand washing of course, but also social distancing. The above steps from Curious flyer are things federal agencies and manufacturers are doing. But the general population needs to take first steps to avoid being around infected people. What is easiest is to cut the amount of time in crowds, restaurants, and stores. Say by half now, perhaps more later. It is important not to overwhelm the system. We can do it by slowing the spread of the virus. A couple months from the the system will be more capable - so we all need to do what we can not to need help now - that will enable hospitals and doctors to do their jobs. So I will not be flying for the next several weeks. It is not a necessity for me. In a couple months the system may well have a handle on all of this, and it will be time to fly.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:34 pm

IranAir just got suspended by the Swedish Transport Authority. They fly to GOT and ARN.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:35 pm

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It is being fed by media. And we know certain media use exagerative language, and a whole town of people doing a run on supplies due to perhaps exagerated language about one infected individual is becoming a common phenomenon. God help us all. Those of us who fly regularly havent taken our socks off. At least not yet as far as I can tell. But for the vast majority.... the scare tactics are taking hold and the industry is feeling the effects, far beyond a logical and proportional reaction. Where does it end?


A question for you- are you saying the above sitting in NZ? I can tell you it's a completely different story in Europe, and it's not all scare tactics...
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:54 pm

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IranAir just got suspended by the Swedish Transport Authority. They fly to GOT and ARN.


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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:52 pm

Coronavirus: British Airways and Ryanair cancel hundreds of flights due to outbreak.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... k-11948097
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:00 pm

I am due to fly tomorrow to Australia through California (from New England). I'm visiting a family member who is a senior and has cancer (and going through chemo). Current advice is to avoid being within 2 ft of anyone showing symptoms. Should I cancel? (lots of personal complications here).
And what are airlines doing if anyone develops a fever and cough mid-flight but might not meet the case definition of travel and contact? On almost all my US-Australia flights in the last 2 years (n = 18) there's been someone coughing nearby...
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:08 pm

Halophila wrote:
I am due to fly tomorrow to Australia through California (from New England). I'm visiting a family member who is a senior and has cancer (and going through chemo). Current advice is to avoid being within 2 ft of anyone showing symptoms. Should I cancel? (lots of personal complications here).
And what are airlines doing if anyone develops a fever and cough mid-flight but might not meet the case definition of travel and contact? On almost all my US-Australia flights in the last 2 years (n = 18) there's been someone coughing nearby...


What airline are you flying to Australia?
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:09 pm

Western727 wrote:
Our family trip to DXB on 13 Mar (ret 22 Mar) to visit my expat sister who lives in Ruwais City remains as planned, BUT we are concerned not about getting sick but about the possibility of getting quarantined. Someone they know got quarantined in a hotel high-rise in AUH (Abu Dhabi) for two weeks. The reason: that's the same hotel the two infected Italian Tour de France cyclists are (were?) staying at.

Because all but one night will be spent at hotels, we're debating whether to go. In any case, EK hasn't waived their change fee ($300 per person, for 4 people...plus fare difference) so we're still in limbo about our trip.


Just curious. If you go to the UAE and are in a hotel for a few days and are about to leave and then the government forces you to stay there for a 14-day quarantine--who pays the tab for the extra 14 days in (let's say, an expensive) hotel?
 
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:20 pm

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Coronavirus: British Airways and Ryanair cancel hundreds of flights due to outbreak.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... k-11948097

Canceling flights between lhr and JFK should tell people how bad tatl traffic is sinking at the moment.
 
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:25 pm

IATA has announced that it is contacting aviation regulators worldwide for an immediate suspension of the 80/20 “use it or lose it” rule at over 200 slot restricted airports, up to October 2020.

IATA Requests Global Suspension of Slot Rules Due to Coronavirus
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:44 pm

greenair727 wrote:
Western727 wrote:
Our family trip to DXB on 13 Mar (ret 22 Mar) to visit my expat sister who lives in Ruwais City remains as planned, BUT we are concerned not about getting sick but about the possibility of getting quarantined. Someone they know got quarantined in a hotel high-rise in AUH (Abu Dhabi) for two weeks. The reason: that's the same hotel the two infected Italian Tour de France cyclists are (were?) staying at.

Because all but one night will be spent at hotels, we're debating whether to go. In any case, EK hasn't waived their change fee ($300 per person, for 4 people...plus fare difference) so we're still in limbo about our trip.



Just curious. If you go to the UAE and are in a hotel for a few days and are about to leave and then the government forces you to stay there for a 14-day quarantine--who pays the tab for the extra 14 days in (let's say, an expensive) hotel?


This is one example...not in UAE...but in US.


https://theintercept.com/2020/02/28/ame ... uarantine/
 
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:06 pm

Halophila wrote:
I am due to fly tomorrow to Australia through California (from New England). I'm visiting a family member who is a senior and has cancer (and going through chemo). Current advice is to avoid being within 2 ft of anyone showing symptoms. Should I cancel? (lots of personal complications here).
And what are airlines doing if anyone develops a fever and cough mid-flight but might not meet the case definition of travel and contact? On almost all my US-Australia flights in the last 2 years (n = 18) there's been someone coughing nearby...


If you were visiting a younger healthy person, I would say go for it. But even though you may well not be that at risk of it, obviously you'd be visiting someone who'd be very prone to the most serious effects of any airborne illness, not just the coronavirus. Maybe a question to ask yourself is, without knowing anything about your family member, would you have an opportunity to visit in a few months once this all blows over?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:08 pm

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greenair727 wrote:
Western727 wrote:
Our family trip to DXB on 13 Mar (ret 22 Mar) to visit my expat sister who lives in Ruwais City remains as planned, BUT we are concerned not about getting sick but about the possibility of getting quarantined. Someone they know got quarantined in a hotel high-rise in AUH (Abu Dhabi) for two weeks. The reason: that's the same hotel the two infected Italian Tour de France cyclists are (were?) staying at.

Because all but one night will be spent at hotels, we're debating whether to go. In any case, EK hasn't waived their change fee ($300 per person, for 4 people...plus fare difference) so we're still in limbo about our trip.



Just curious. If you go to the UAE and are in a hotel for a few days and are about to leave and then the government forces you to stay there for a 14-day quarantine--who pays the tab for the extra 14 days in (let's say, an expensive) hotel?


This is one example...not in UAE...but in US.


https://theintercept.com/2020/02/28/ame ... uarantine/


That's (financially) scary. Thanks, greenair727 for asking...and Scotron12 for the article. Very important parts of the potential equation to consider, indeed.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 7:06 pm

IDK if it was a coincidence or due to the virus, but I bought my business class tickets to Europe for my Summer vacation on Friday and it was so cheap, I almost fell out of my chair, couldn't believe it! It was the same price as what Premium Economy was when I checked two weeks earlier. Needless to say I am pretty happy!
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:35 pm

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MIflyer12 wrote:

That's a really interesting move. It doesn't appear to be destination-limited. They must see forward bookings just collapsing and want to relieve some customer uncertainty to keep the cash coming in.

FORT WORTH, Texas — American Airlines announced today it will waive change fees up to 14 days prior to travel for customers who purchase travel between March 1 and March 16. This change offers customers the best fares with even more flexibility. The offer is available for any of American’s published fares. Additional updates on existing travel alerts can be found on aa.com/travelalerts.

Frequently asked questions
What are the effective travel dates for waived change fees?
Any ticket purchased from March 1 at 4:30 p.m. CST and March 16, 2020 at 11:59 p.m. CST will not incur change fees if changes are made 14 days prior to travel.

How far ahead can you purchase travel for?
This is available for any of American’s published fares.

What are the effective purchasing dates for waived change fees?
March 1 through March 16


This is a gimmick. American and JetBlue (and the others that will likely follow) ought to be ashamed of themselves. So during a small two week period, I should rush out and buy a ticket that if I need change due to the ongoing uncertainty (which is very likely), is not refundable, but will allow for changes or travel credits. Oh, and I would still need to make the changes 14 days out . . . Very one-sided as usual. Keep it! I will wait it out and/or use it as my opportunity to once and for all move my business to an airline with more reasonable policies like Southwest


You certainly have a jaundiced view of the whole thing. I think the airlines are doing this because if they do not allow unrestricted cancelatios or changes, no one will be booking any flights whatsoever until the crisis is past.


I wished the other airlines would do this too. I'm seriously thinking about booking my work related travel through WN if DL and UA doesn't allow this. Especially if their planes are flying practically empty. I tried to get DL to move me up to an earlier flight from ATL instead of sitting around for longer hours. There's no change in the fare (Class X) and the earlier flight has 70 seats free for a flight departing in 2 days. For a group of 9, that's $675! That's the cost of 3 more seats when I booked.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:46 pm

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Ziyulu wrote:
After 9/11, U.S. airlines reduced service by getting rid of in-flight meals. Do you think due to this coronavirus outbreak, airlines will reduce service again by getting rid of snacks, charging for drinks, increasing checked bag fees, etc?


Before we get to crazy with comparisons, this can get ugly but comparing this to 9/11 is a bit of an exaggeration. Let’s think about this, on 9/11 US airlines were grounded for a few days, we had an airport (DCA shut down for a few months) people were afraid to fly, etc, etc. 9/11 was a quick and extreme shock to the world, in an instant life as we know it changed (particularly in the airline industry).


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I think this Virus can be far more disruptive to the Airline Industry than 9/11. A few days after the 9/11 incident most flights were basically back to their timetables, at least outside the US. I'm sure there would have been some capacity reduction on non US routes but nothing on the scale of what we are seeing now. To an extent Aircraft can be protected against Terrorist attacks and the extensive increases in Security that were introduced have worked pretty well, touch wood. But Viruses can't be denied entry to an Aircraft, unless some new Technology emerges that can test people when they check in.



Globally, yes, this is way worse. But I'd say it is just different than 9/11 within the U.S.. As someone who was working during the industry in the U.S. during that period, there were giant challenges. The old, privatized security system was a disaster, but it took a huge amount of planning to put the TSA together. On many days it felt like it wasn't possible - or that all the airlines would go under before it was. Plus, most airports had to be totally redesigned internally, as a much larger security screening operation had to be fit into the lobby. On a worldwide level, the idea of suicide attacks aboard aircraft at that scale was new, and everyone had to redesign their training procedures to adjust to it. Plus, remember SARS hit right during that period, so the anxiety level was even more than it is now - at least in China and the U.S. In this case, the scale is obviously much, much more massive. But, hoping that we will have at least some prophylaxis by the fall, and hopefully a vaccine within a year, this at least has an end to it.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:48 pm

At least for SARS, we did not hear about cities on lockdown or not allowing certain nationalities to travel to various countries.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:27 pm

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IranAir just got suspended by the Swedish Transport Authority. They fly to GOT and ARN.

Here is the motivation :
Sweden's transport authority Monday halted direct flights to and from Iran on the advice of health officials who said Tehran was "not in control" of the outbreak of the new coronavirus on its soil.
The Swedish Transport Agency announced it was temporarily suspending the flight permits of Iran Air -- currently the only airline flying directly between Iran and Sweden -- saying they were responding to a request by Swedish health officials.
"We trust in the competence and expertise of the Public Health Agency of Sweden," Simon Posluk, head of the department for maritime and air traffic at the transport agency, said in a statement.
Sweden has 14 confirmed cases of the virus, including two who had travelled to Iran and four cases traced to those two travellers, according to newspaper Expressen.
The Middle Eastern country has reported 1,501 cases, including 66 deaths in total.
"To continue to take in large groups of passengers from Iran under present circumstances would severely complicate the work to limit the spread of COVID-19," Johan Carlson, director of the Public Health Agency of Sweden, said in a statement. Iran also has not responded to our contacts.
It added that "responsible authorities in Iran are not in control of the situation" and it feared the spread of the virus in Sweden.
Speaking to AFP, Carlson said the agency was not planning any similar measures for other airlines flying to other heavily affected countries.
The agency did not ask for any bans of flights to and from China, which Carlson said was because they had better working relationships with Chinese authorities and airlines.
"This is a very exceptional situation and it goes back to that we are not really confident in what's happening in Iran today," Carlson said.
Iran Air had until been flying weekly to Gothenburg and two flights a week to Stockholm.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:20 am

indcwby wrote:
spinotter wrote:
gwrudolph wrote:

This is a gimmick. American and JetBlue (and the others that will likely follow) ought to be ashamed of themselves. So during a small two week period, I should rush out and buy a ticket that if I need change due to the ongoing uncertainty (which is very likely), is not refundable, but will allow for changes or travel credits. Oh, and I would still need to make the changes 14 days out . . . Very one-sided as usual. Keep it! I will wait it out and/or use it as my opportunity to once and for all move my business to an airline with more reasonable policies like Southwest


You certainly have a jaundiced view of the whole thing. I think the airlines are doing this because if they do not allow unrestricted cancelatios or changes, no one will be booking any flights whatsoever until the crisis is past.


I wished the other airlines would do this too. I'm seriously thinking about booking my work related travel through WN if DL and UA doesn't allow this. Especially if their planes are flying practically empty. I tried to get DL to move me up to an earlier flight from ATL instead of sitting around for longer hours. There's no change in the fare (Class X) and the earlier flight has 70 seats free for a flight departing in 2 days. For a group of 9, that's $675! That's the cost of 3 more seats when I booked.


Carriers may be reluctant to make any major moves because this situation may change on a dime. One may ask why doesn't DAL just go and take ATL-MSP from 20 a day down to 10 or AAL take DFW-ORD from 20 a day down to 10 but the problem is if this thing vanishes or slows markedly come 4/20 or 5/1 with milder weather the demand will soar in the blink of an eye so I think you just see empty planes pre 2002 style for awhile here
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:58 am

Dozens of aircraft (VN and VJ) are being grounded at HAN.
Vietnam Airlines once said that it has grounded 40 of its planes.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:15 am

Thai Airways has made several flight reductions on key Asian routes through to May 20

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-02mar20/
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:17 am

SIA has order 30,000 employees take unpaid leave

https://twitter.com/tak_goto43/status/1 ... 38176?s=20
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:33 am

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SIA has order 30,000 employees take unpaid leave

https://twitter.com/tak_goto43/status/1 ... 38176?s=20


We are seeing now how non US carriers are unprepared for this. Back in 2001 Domestic carriers reacted this way 7-10 days after 9/11. I'm not saying we may not see this in the States but I can bet you it'll be 3-6 months minimum before we do.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:56 am

Waterbomber2 wrote:
LNCS0930 wrote:
qf789 wrote:
SIA has order 30,000 employees take unpaid leave

https://twitter.com/tak_goto43/status/1 ... 38176?s=20


We are seeing now how non US carriers are unprepared for this. Back in 2001 Domestic carriers reacted this way 7-10 days after 9/11. I'm not saying we may not see this in the States but I can bet you it'll be 3-6 months minimum before we do.


I can bet it will be more like 3-6 weeks.

I wouldn't boast too hard about US carriers being better prepared for this, yet.


The problem is if they pull that trigger and the virus vanishes SARS style a month later they don't have the flights/staff to meet the demand. I don't think they'll do anything til they see if milder weather puts this into hibernation. If its still all over the place come mid and late May you'll see things start happening.
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