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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:41 am

My return flight from Rome on BA was the 28th March was rescheduled to earlier in the day yesterday and by yesterday evening they cancelled the whole lot. This is going to a whole lot worse for everyone before it gets better. Be safe all.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 8:48 am

AF KLM traffic for Feb 2020 vs. 2019:
AF -1.4%
KLM -2.7%
Transavia +9.2%
group -0.5%

https://www.airfranceklm.com/sites/default/files/traffic_february20_va_vdef.pdf
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:22 am

MrBren wrote:
AF KLM traffic for Feb 2020 vs. 2019:
AF -1.4%
KLM -2.7%
Transavia +9.2%
group -0.5%

https://www.airfranceklm.com/sites/default/files/traffic_february20_va_vdef.pdf



March will be the interesting figures. I'm guessing it will be a bit of a cliff VS last year until at least July. I wonder how much the Europe summer travel season will be hit.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:27 am

olle wrote:
Israel closes all international travel. All arrivals to Israel 14 days isolated.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-or ... uarantine/

At least not 40 days as the original quarantine :-)

Does this apply to air crew, if not why not? BA165 on route to TLV now, crew going to be there 14 days? Curious.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:33 am

In 16 years of flying, through all the craziness has occurred, The new rules and regulations almost never apply to Crew

On day one of the liquid Band there was a couple of hours early in the morning when Crew had to check a bag, it was rectified before noon

Is it a loophole that people can exploit? yes

But you don’t want to mess with people going to work or it will all grind to a halt
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:36 am

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-518 ... ting-story

Interesting article covering VS woes and the additional issue of maintaining slots in the current climate.
As another all wide bodied fleet similar to EK (but obviously on a far smaller scale) VS will no doubt struggle more than airlines that enjoy greater type flexibility the longer this goes on.
I am flying a round trip from LHR to JFK this weekend, the seat map currently shows around 1/3rd of the aircraft unoccupied.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:38 am

There appears to be a cluster of five deaths (of 30) in France, with possible links to CDG airport north of Paris. These are tiny villages where people commute to work there.

The death rate from the virus in Italy appears to be the highest in the world at 5-6%. Italy has one of the oldest populations too.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... t-11954168

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... n-11954097
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:48 am

FCAFLYBOY wrote:
Will we see airports in Italy close? I don’t understand why there are still flights operating if the country is in lockdown?


for now they stay open

but as it is forbidden for Italians to travel without good reason (they have to declare) I think flights will mostly used by people leaving the country ... and politicians ...
and will be reduced step by step to a minimum within the next weeks
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:51 am

TAP Portugal takes out 20% capacity until June.

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/03 ... s-tap.html
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:52 am

'Ghost' and largely empty flights are operating because EU 'Use it or lose it' rules still apply to UK slot restricted airports.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51809318
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:59 am

readytotaxi wrote:
olle wrote:
Israel closes all international travel. All arrivals to Israel 14 days isolated.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-or ... uarantine/

At least not 40 days as the original quarantine :-)

Does this apply to air crew, if not why not? BA165 on route to TLV now, crew going to be there 14 days? Curious.


The goal is not to keep people in the country it's to keep them out, so the question should be, will the crew be allowed to leave the airport towards the city ? Will the plane arrive with 0 passenger ?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:47 am

BA have now announced all flights to Italy have been canceled until April 4.

Source : https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... risis.html
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:52 am

uta999 wrote:
'Ghost' and largely empty flights are operating because EU 'Use it or lose it' rules still apply to UK slot restricted airports.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51809318


IATA has already made a request for this to be suspended given the current COVID-19 crises, and also, this is not just UK airports, the same rule applies at many congested airports around the globe.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:02 am

zeke wrote:
BA have now announced all flights to Italy have been canceled until April 4.

Source : https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... risis.html


Its fekin too late ! should have done it early last week.

They r not screening anyone who is arriving from Italy....awful. Is it being daft, naive or super arrogant and underestimating the virus?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:44 am

theaviator380 wrote:
zeke wrote:
BA have now announced all flights to Italy have been canceled until April 4.

Source : https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... risis.html


Its fekin too late ! should have done it early last week.

They r not screening anyone who is arriving from Italy....awful. Is it being daft, naive or super arrogant and underestimating the virus?


People who haven't been following this as long as we have (since early wuhan days in January) can't accept how dangerous it is.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:01 pm

AA announces 10% less international capactiy, 7.5% less domestic. http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

LAX-PEK/PVG/HKG, DFW-PEK/PVG suspended until October 24.

DFW-HKG begins July with a reduced schedule.

Widebody aircraft will be redeployed on key domestic routes in American’s network. American will also introduce new seasonal service between ORD and Honolulu (HNL) this summer on a Boeing 787-9.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:10 pm

JP Morgan Industrials Conference is today

Ed Bastian leads off:
DL experiencing 25-30% decline in advanced bookings

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First 7 days of March LF: 77%
Full March expected LF: 65-70%


Air Canada, American, Alaska, Spirit, and JetBlue executives will be speaking later
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:12 pm

Delta is expecting 65 to 70% load factor in March.

Looking to cut international capacity by 20 to 25% and domestic capacity by 10 to 15%. Largest cuts by domestic carriers so far

Imo, they are the only carriers cutting the appropriate amount so far.

Aa announcement of 7.5% domestic cuts is not nearly enough.

Spirit is cutting growth by 5% for April and still assessing may.

Not sure what Alaska is doing. It's throwing up massive fare sales throughout it's system and refuses to cut this far.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:13 pm

Interestingly Qatar is temporarily banning O&D traffic from COVID-19 affected countries, but allowing sixth freedom traffic to transit through DOH.

However, an airline spokesperson clarified that passengers from India cannot take the flight if their final destination is Doha but would be allowed to take connecting flights, without stepping out of the Doha airport.


https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/coronav ... re-2192411
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 12:41 pm

And as we are just discussing about taking risks, AI are still flying DEL - MXP ! strange? hell yes....how can you still fly into red zone? I am sure this is not rescue flight, this is full commercial flight AI 137 on B787-800.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:03 pm

As a result of the corona virus, Norwegian has decided to cancel 3000 flights. This will affect scheduled departures from mid-March to mid-June.

According to a stock exchange announcement from the company, layoff notice has also been sent to the employees.

The company further states that they have established a dialogue with their trade union.

- The cancellations will unfortunately affect a significant part of our colleagues in Norwegian. We have initiated formal dialogue with our unions regarding layoffs for crews working in the air, in addition to ground crew and office staff. We will continue constructive dialogue with the unions and employees to work together through this difficult situation, says Norwegians new top boss Jacob Schram.


https://www.borsen.no/nyheter/norwegian ... r/72229912


The Norwegian government is currently assesing what to do regarding the various businesses / industries in Norway, including the travel industry and how to help through this difficult time.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:13 pm

I’m being optimistic here, but I think you will see a travel boom sooner than later. When these airlines cut fares, consumers will react. Delta has already advertised super low fares to Europe. Low fares are not good for the industry, but that is what it will take to recover. This will go away at some point.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:25 pm

landing ban in austria
immidiate effect

"Year 2020 Issued on March 9, 2020 Part II 83. Ordinance: Landing ban for aircraft from SARS-CoV-2 risk areas
83. Ordinance of the Federal Minister for Social Affairs, Health, Care and Consumer Protection on the landing ban for aircraft from SARS-CoV-2 risk areas
According to § 25 Epidemic Act 1950, Federal Law Gazette No. 186/1950, last amended by Federal Law Federal Law Gazette I No. 37/2018, and the Federal Ministries Act 2020, Federal Law Gazette I No. 8/2020, it is prescribed:
§ 1. Landing in Austria is prohibited for aircraft used for the transportation of people departing from the following regions or countries:
1st People's Republic of China,
2. Republic of Korea,
3. Islamic Republic of Iran,
4. Lombardy,
5. Veneto,
6. Emilia-Romagna,
7. Brands,
8. Piedmont.
§2. This regulation does not apply to cargo flights, mission flights, ambulance / rescue flights or transfer flights. Furthermore, the Federal Minister for Social Affairs, Health, Nursing and Consumer Protection can order an exception to § 1 if this is necessary to support affected countries in connection with the occurrence of SARS-CoV-2.
§ 3. This regulation expires two weeks after its entry into force."

source:
https://www.ris.bka.gv.at/Dokumente/Bgb ... _83.pdfsig
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:25 pm

aircatalonia

Surprised by our reaction.

By comparison the UK Govt advise against all but essential travel to Italy.

UK airlines are pulling flights as we speak.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:33 pm

zeke wrote:
BA have now announced all flights to Italy have been canceled until April 4.

Source : https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... risis.html


Also Ryanair and the governments of Austria, Malta and Spain have banned flights to Italy.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 1:58 pm

Delta332 wrote:
I’m being optimistic here, but I think you will see a travel boom sooner than later. When these airlines cut fares, consumers will react. Delta has already advertised super low fares to Europe. Low fares are not good for the industry, but that is what it will take to recover. This will go away at some point.

Exactly. What's to stop someone from taking 600mg of ibuprofen 30 minutes before landing to reduce their fever so they aren't quarantined?

But then again I see people who look like death at LAX yesterday on the LAXIT Uber bus.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:03 pm

Just looking at future bookings plummet I dont think the cuts announced by US big 3 are enough. Just wondering how long until the layoffs start.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:29 pm

AA747123 wrote:
Just looking at future bookings plummet I dont think the cuts announced by US big 3 are enough. Just wondering how long until the layoffs start.


I just had employees travel from EWR-DCA on UA last night. Flight was empty.
Yesterday and today we've had clients cancel five events, including one next week in Huntsville, AL. March air travel is going to fall off a cliff and I'm betting the only thing propping up April is possibly spring break travelers.

I stayed at the Millennium Hilton across the street from 1WTC last week in NYC for $100/nt. That is crazy!!!
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:30 pm

Delta332 wrote:
I’m being optimistic here, but I think you will see a travel boom sooner than later. When these airlines cut fares, consumers will react. Delta has already advertised super low fares to Europe. Low fares are not good for the industry, but that is what it will take to recover. This will go away at some point.


Trying to drag the economy in the face of this threat has the potential to do more damage to the economy, in many ways.
The problem will last longer and result in a much bigger economic impact and the cost to the health care system will be huge.

Airlines should be cuting flights to conserve cash and also prevent further spreading.
The virus originated in China, but airlines worldwide are responsible for its spreading to the rest of the world so quickly.
The responsible thing to do is to ground all flights and keep everyone home for long enough to isolate and stop the spread everywhere, because already everyday, the equivalent of a planeload of people is dying from this.

The more airlines try to drag this, the weaker they will be in a recovery and vulnerable to new players in the market.

I'm sure that the governments will cover the costs of such a short temporary layoff, and for everyone it will be time to catch up on things to do at home and much needed rest and family time. Not one soul in Italy is complaining about the draconian measures taken by the government.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:51 pm

AA747123 wrote:
Just looking at future bookings plummet I dont think the cuts announced by US big 3 are enough. Just wondering how long until the layoffs start.


Layoffs are expensive. The deeper you cut, the more expensive it becomes because you start getting into higher seniority workers who make more and are entitled to more furlough pay.

The first 1,000 may only cost $2 million to layoff. The next 1,000 costs $4 million.

At my company and department, if furloughed you receive 1 week of pay for every year of service. They'd pay me nearly $9,000 if they got to me. Multiply that by thousands and it gets pricey. Add in other departments and a layoff is not a desirable solution to a short term problem. Things will need to get significantly worse and expected to last for much longer for airlines to begin pushing the big red F button.

In other words, in my case, if you are going to pay someone 8 weeks of pay to sit at home and look for another job, why not have them at work? If I take a severance I would get 16 weeks of pay. I could take 4 months off to look for a job if I didn't come back to my company. Then they'd have to go through the cost of hiring someone to replace me when the demand comes back up. Layoffs aren't appropriate for short term situations such as these.
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Re: How DL (and other U.S. carriers) may cut expenses/conserve cash

Tue Mar 10, 2020 2:54 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
There's certainly a broad spectrum of opinions in this forum as to how long and how severe a decline in demand COVID-19 may bring. I'm going to outline a few ways DL (and AA/UA/WN/AS) may cut expenses or otherwise conserve cash.

1. Fly less. (Yes, it's obvious - new cuts seem to be announced every day.) To the extend that pilots, FAs, mechanics, etc. have been working above guaranteed minimums this will cut wage expense. Fuel burn declines. Landing fees seem pretty immaterial in income statements.

2. They'll be burning cheaper fuel. Spot market price for Jet A was $1.98/gallon on 12/31/19; it had declined to $1.48/gallon today. Various crude oil indices have declined worldwide. DL burns 1 Billion gallons a quarter (and UA and AA similar), so $0.50/gallon is a lot of money. This makes WN's fuel hedges way, way out of the money (for the moment, anyway).

3. Profit sharing will decline with lower profits. Sorry. Profit-sharing earned in 2019 for payment in 2020:

DL, $1.6 Billion
WN, $667 million
UA, $491 million
AA, $230 million (including the MAX payout share)
AS, $130 million

4. DL has been making supplemental contributions to a frozen (no new participants; no further benefits earned for present participants) defined benefit plan. DL makes insurance payments to the PBGC based in part on how underfunded is the plan (a lot). These contributions reduce the premiums due. In excess of required contributions under a 2006 law, DL pumped in $500 million in 2018 and $1.0 Billion in 2019. It announced its intent to add $500 million in 2020. They may not do it.

5. They may pause share repurchase plans. All five of the largest U.S. carriers were busy buying back shares in 2019.

DL, $2.0 Billion
WN, $1.6 Billion
UA, $1.6 Billion
AA, $1.1 Billion
AS, $75 million

6. They may suspend the dividend. Ooh, DL won't want to do that after all the remarks about being a stable, investment-grade entity. Total dividend payments in 2019:

DL, $980 million
WN, $372 million
AA, $176(?) million. It was $44 million 4Q, that I can verify.
AS, $173 million

7. Voluntary reduction in work hours; voluntary unpaid leave. AFAIK, among U.S. carriers only UA has announced programs.

8. Forced furloughs/layoffs.

Other ideas that are significant money?


DL has pulled the trigger on two measure I outlined earlier:

On Tuesday, airlines announced that they are acting to boost liquidity and conserve cash with some agreeing to new borrowing facilities. Delta DAL, -0.643% said it’s deferring $500 million of capital spending, delaying $500 million of pension funding and suspending share buybacks.

“Liquidity is strong and expected to be at least $5 billion at the end of the March quarter,” the company said. “In addition, Delta has approximately $20 billion of unencumbered assets, including $12 billion in aircraft.”


https://www.marketwatch.com/story/airli ... quote_news
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:00 pm

British Airways has sent an email to all of its staff asking them to take voluntary unpaid leave after the reduction of its flight schedule because of the Coronavirus outbreak.
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DL COVID-19 Schedule Reduction Announced

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:15 pm

Delta CEO Ed Bastian announced to staff the following earlier today:

"to take out at least 15 percent of planned capacity. We will monitor demand and make additional changes as necessary"
"Delaying $500 million in capital investments"
"Parking widebody and narrowbody aircraft and evaluating other aircraft for potential early retirements."
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:19 pm

Delta joins the party. Cuts international by 25% and domestic by 15%. They will also park planes, freeze pension payments and freeze hiring. I imagine furloughs are next if they don't get enough voluntary employees to take unpaid leave, which I doubt they will.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/delta-m ... worse.html
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:39 pm

piedmontf284000 wrote:
Delta joins the party. Cuts international by 25% and domestic by 15%. They will also park planes, freeze pension payments and freeze hiring. I imagine furloughs are next if they don't get enough voluntary employees to take unpaid leave, which I doubt they will.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/10/delta-m ... worse.html

I bet pilots are safe. LOL
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:41 pm

The trouble on here is that many US based posters seem to think it is mass hysteria and I don't know why they are thinking that. One poster above cited DL offering cheap transatlantic fares as a temporary measure- the problem is we don't know how long temporary will last so furloughing staff may be the only answer.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:44 pm

Alaska shockingly isn't planning to materially cut capacity in April

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:47 pm

The 3rd point of the Demand section from AS is why we won't see US airlines laying people off in mass.

With cheap oil they can break even on a much lower fare. If they can stimulate demand enough to keep the wheels turning they won't have to resort to furloughs. Furloughs are expensive in the short term and are a last resort option for long term issues (greater than 6 months)
 
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Re: DL COVID-19 Schedule Reduction Announced

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:47 pm

I will be interested to see what flights are cut (or reduced capacity) and for how long. I see that international travel is to be cut by 20%. Considering Israel is going to impose a 14 day quarantine for everyone coming in, I suspect that route might well be suspended (since I would guess most travel is tourist for DL). Italy would also seem a logical place to cut travel, given that everything is shut down.

I am guessing that the race is on to get the MD88s parked?
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Re: DL COVID-19 Schedule Reduction Announced

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:52 pm

FWIW, per the DL website on March 10, the following regions are seeing these reductions:

Pacific down 65%, Trans-Atlantic down 15 -20%, domestic down 10-15%, Latin [America?] down 5%.

The following are posted reductions in service:

SOUTH KOREA
• Service between Minneapolis/St. Paul and Seoul-Incheon suspended starting Feb. 29 through May 31.
• Service reduced to five times weekly between Seoul-Incheon and Atlanta, Detroit and Seattle starting Feb. 29 through May 31.
• New Seoul-Incheon to Manila service postponed from March 29 to June 1.

JAPAN
• Seasonal summer service for 2020 between Seattle and Osaka suspended.
• Starting March 7 through April 30:
o Service reduced from daily to three times weekly between Tokyo and Portland.
o Service reduced from daily to five times weekly between Tokyo to Atlanta and Minneapolis.
o Service reduced from daily to three times weekly between Nagoya to Detroit and Honolulu.
o Service reduced from daily to three times weekly between Osaka to Honolulu.

ITALY
Schedule adjustments for Italy have been updated as of March 8, 2020.
• Daily service between New York-JFK and Milan Malpensa Airport suspended through May 20.
• Seasonal summer service between New York-JFK and Venice postponed from April 1 to May 21.
• Seasonal service between Detroit and Rome postponed from April 1 to May 1.
• Daily service between Atlanta and Rome suspended starting March 11 through April 30.


I wonder if domestic reduction could be done by shifting planes normally used TPAC or TATL to domestic routes? Say use a single 333 or 767 in place of 2 757s or similar?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:57 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Alaska shockingly isn't planning to materially cut capacity in April

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One reason is they aren’t as exposed to international travel. Americans are still going to vacation, just domestically. Case in point, AA is close-in adding ORDHNL this summer.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 3:58 pm

sunbus617 wrote:
The trouble on here is that many US based posters seem to think it is mass hysteria and I don't know why they are thinking that. One poster above cited DL offering cheap transatlantic fares as a temporary measure- the problem is we don't know how long temporary will last so furloughing staff may be the only answer.


Because obviously they work in the aviation industry so they get completely off topic explaining us how expensive is to fire them because they are freaked out about being made redundant.
 
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Re: DL COVID-19 Schedule Reduction Announced

Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:09 pm

davescj wrote:
FWIW, per the DL website on March 10, the following regions are seeing these reductions:

Pacific down 65%, Trans-Atlantic down 15 -20%, domestic down 10-15%, Latin [America?] down 5%.

The following are posted reductions in service:

SOUTH KOREA
• Service between Minneapolis/St. Paul and Seoul-Incheon suspended starting Feb. 29 through May 31.
• Service reduced to five times weekly between Seoul-Incheon and Atlanta, Detroit and Seattle starting Feb. 29 through May 31.
• New Seoul-Incheon to Manila service postponed from March 29 to June 1.

JAPAN
• Seasonal summer service for 2020 between Seattle and Osaka suspended.
• Starting March 7 through April 30:
o Service reduced from daily to three times weekly between Tokyo and Portland.
o Service reduced from daily to five times weekly between Tokyo to Atlanta and Minneapolis.
o Service reduced from daily to three times weekly between Nagoya to Detroit and Honolulu.
o Service reduced from daily to three times weekly between Osaka to Honolulu.

ITALY
Schedule adjustments for Italy have been updated as of March 8, 2020.
• Daily service between New York-JFK and Milan Malpensa Airport suspended through May 20.
• Seasonal summer service between New York-JFK and Venice postponed from April 1 to May 21.
• Seasonal service between Detroit and Rome postponed from April 1 to May 1.
• Daily service between Atlanta and Rome suspended starting March 11 through April 30.


I wonder if domestic reduction could be done by shifting planes normally used TPAC or TATL to domestic routes? Say use a single 333 or 767 in place of 2 757s or similar?


DL has already done that. They’re using 763s/4s and 333s at SAN and LAS to DTW and ATL.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:09 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Alaska shockingly isn't planning to materially cut capacity in April

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One reason is they aren’t as exposed to international travel. Americans are still going to vacation, just domestically. Case in point, AA is close-in adding ORDHNL this summer.


AA adding ORD flying over the summer isn't related, as AA's summer changes were related to MAX changes & extending their schedule for the summer.

SY, B6, & NK are in same boat as AS, and each one is cutting flying. Even though network wise, AS is the most exposed domestic carrier considering their entire network is focused on the west coast (the hot bed of the virus in the US).

Numerous analysts have raised questions about AS avoiding April reductions, so I'm not alone here.
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Re: DL COVID-19 Schedule Reduction Announced

Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:13 pm

davescj wrote:
FWIW, per the DL website on March 10, the following regions are seeing these reductions:

Pacific down 65%, Trans-Atlantic down 15 -20%, domestic down 10-15%, Latin [America?] down 5%.

The following are posted reductions in service:

SOUTH KOREA
• Service between Minneapolis/St. Paul and Seoul-Incheon suspended starting Feb. 29 through May 31.
• Service reduced to five times weekly between Seoul-Incheon and Atlanta, Detroit and Seattle starting Feb. 29 through May 31.
• New Seoul-Incheon to Manila service postponed from March 29 to June 1.

JAPAN
• Seasonal summer service for 2020 between Seattle and Osaka suspended.
• Starting March 7 through April 30:
o Service reduced from daily to three times weekly between Tokyo and Portland.
o Service reduced from daily to five times weekly between Tokyo to Atlanta and Minneapolis.
o Service reduced from daily to three times weekly between Nagoya to Detroit and Honolulu.
o Service reduced from daily to three times weekly between Osaka to Honolulu.

ITALY
Schedule adjustments for Italy have been updated as of March 8, 2020.
• Daily service between New York-JFK and Milan Malpensa Airport suspended through May 20.
• Seasonal summer service between New York-JFK and Venice postponed from April 1 to May 21.
• Seasonal service between Detroit and Rome postponed from April 1 to May 1.
• Daily service between Atlanta and Rome suspended starting March 11 through April 30.


I wonder if domestic reduction could be done by shifting planes normally used TPAC or TATL to domestic routes? Say use a single 333 or 767 in place of 2 757s or similar?


Upgauging domestic routes is a possibility with 339s and 359s doing the TPAC/TATL routes that remain with 767s/333s doing domestic trunk work. You probably won't see DL running 339s/359s/77E/77L around the country like UA and AA are willing to do with their 777s and 787s.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:19 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Alaska shockingly isn't planning to materially cut capacity in April

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One reason is they aren’t as exposed to international travel. Americans are still going to vacation, just domestically. Case in point, AA is close-in adding ORDHNL this summer.


AA adding ORD flying over the summer isn't related, as AA's summer changes were related to MAX changes & extending their schedule for the summer.


It is absolutely related. AA literally announced today it is adding ORDHNL service because of the virus and free’d up planes. Nothing to do with MAX and summer extensions.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:25 pm

ER757 wrote:
I've been thinking - flying itself doesn't seem to pose an extraordinary risk of contracting the disease. There's quite a few members here who've flown frequently of late and none are reporting being sick themselves. There are thousands of flight attendants working in the cabins on tens of thousands of flights and if lots of them were getting sick it would certainly be big news all over the media. I understand the thought process of cancelling flights to areas where the disease is widespread so that people from those areas don't travel to other areas and bring it with them and so that people aren't taken to those areas to catch it. But seems to me at least that the environment of the aircraft itself isn't a major contributing factor


Maybe once you get on the plane. But what about navigating through the airport and security lines? That's part of the experience as well.
 
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Re: DL COVID-19 Schedule Reduction Announced

Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:36 pm

From the Delta News Hub: https://news.delta.com/delta-actions-address-financial-impact-covid-19

To align capacity with expected demand, Delta is reducing system capacity by 15 points versus its plan, with international capacity reduced by 20-25 percent, and domestic capacity reduced by 10-15 percent. The company will continue to make adjustments to planned capacity as demand trends change.

By region, reductions include:

Entity % of Total FY19 Revenue Capacity Reductions
Pacific 6% Down 65%
Trans-Atlantic 15% Down 15-20%
Domestic 72% Down 10-15%
Latin 7% Down 5%


Expenses

Delta is undertaking cost reduction initiatives, including:

Instituting a company-wide hiring freeze and offering voluntary leave options
Parking aircraft, and evaluating early retirements of older aircraft
In addition, the recent fuel price decline provides approximately $2 billion of full-year expense benefit.
 
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Re: DL COVID-19 Schedule Reduction Announced

Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:41 pm

davescj wrote:
I wonder if domestic reduction could be done by shifting planes normally used TPAC or TATL to domestic routes? Say use a single 333 or 767 in place of 2 757s or similar?


That doesn't necessarily accomplish a reduction. The U.S. carriers had shifted some widebody capacity to high-demand domestic routes while it looked like domestic travel would be relatively unaffected. With greater spread in the U.S., domestic demand is taking a nosedive and it's going to be far more likely that the widebodies will be parked until demand recovers.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:47 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

One reason is they aren’t as exposed to international travel. Americans are still going to vacation, just domestically. Case in point, AA is close-in adding ORDHNL this summer.


AA adding ORD flying over the summer isn't related, as AA's summer changes were related to MAX changes & extending their schedule for the summer.


It is absolutely related. AA literally announced today it is adding ORDHNL service because of the virus and free’d up planes. Nothing to do with MAX and summer extensions.


Haven’t seen anything to suggest that from AA

But, Im patiently waiting for your response to why you think AS wont need to cut any capacity, regardless of nearly every airline cutting capacity. Which is the original point.
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