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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:44 pm

are we past the "X" will never be allowed to happen phase?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:46 pm

Pres. Trump expected to issue additional travel restrictions to (do not travel advisory) and from Italy (14 day mandatory quarantine for people who have stayed there recently), may include other countries in Europe and Asia in an address to the nation at 9PM EDT.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:56 pm

Another hit to the American airlines with the annual NCAA basketball tournament not allowing any fans to attend.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:15 pm

I heard a RUMOR (<<< strong emphasis) that Beirut (OLBA | BEY) will shut down completely in 4 days. All restaurants in Lebanon have been ordered shut down today.

Between this, the Lebanese banking crisis, and general economic and political unrest I'm struggling to believe MEA will get their NEOs any time soon.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:38 pm

Texas77 wrote:

I don't know, being stranded in Maui might not be so bad...



It’s not the “being stranded” in Maui that would be bad. Paying for the 2 week quarantine in Maui, that would be bad.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:17 am

You got it, Web500sjc! That, and paying for the animals back on the mainland still in the board and care, plus missing work and hence the paycheck that would really hurt!
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:19 am

Web500sjc wrote:
Texas77 wrote:

I don't know, being stranded in Maui might not be so bad...



It’s not the “being stranded” in Maui that would be bad. Paying for the 2 week quarantine in Maui, that would be bad.

Yeah, lodging in Maui definitely made my wallet lighter when I first visited in 2018. Kauai or the big island would be a cheaper (relatively speaking) place to quarantine than Maui.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:26 am

Web500sjc wrote:
Texas77 wrote:

I don't know, being stranded in Maui might not be so bad...



It’s not the “being stranded” in Maui that would be bad. Paying for the 2 week quarantine in Maui, that would be bad.


I was on SEA-KOA last night with several people taking advantage of the $99 last minute fare and filling up premium economy. They were saying places for rent were also way less than typical pricing. I would hope that profiting from the distress of being quarantined would be minimal, especially if others are offering deals. The rental car agency said it was a little slower than usual. All this is anecdotal of course. Luckily we probably have wiggle room where we are staying but it is becoming an increasing concern about being required to stay here under quarantine.

Our return flight has been showing mostly full still. If/when we make it back we are considering a self quarantine because of the potential to be carriers and infect people close to us who would not fair well if they got the virus.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:41 am

QF is bringing the 744 back to SFO to make up the cuts to BNE and MEL beginning 18 April.

Melbourne-San Francisco and Brisbane-San Francisco flights will be suspended from April 18.

Qantas' Sydney-San Francisco service will continue, but with its Boeing 787 swapped back to the Boeing 747 as of April 18 to help cater for SF-bound flyers from Melbourne and Brisbane who need to re-route their travel via Sydney.

The non-stop Brisbane-Chicago, due to launch on April 15, is being suspended until further notice, while the Sydney-Vancouver seasonal service, slated to run across June-July, is being withdrawn altogether.

Daily Sydney-Dallas/Fort Worth flights will continue, but from April 20 will use a Boeing 787 in place of an Airbus A380.

Likewise, a Boeing 787 will replace the Melbourne-Los Angeles Airbus A380 from June 1.


https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ore-london
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:53 am

By 18 April i'd imagine demand to and from the USA will have dropped off the cliff anyhow based on current projections from the states.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:02 am

jrfspa320 wrote:
By 18 April i'd imagine demand to and from the USA will have dropped off the cliff anyhow based on current projections from the states.


With all these absurd measures going into effect in the US and probably nobody leaving their house for the next month this could conceivably all end. If nobody is out there to spread it, it can’t spread
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:06 am

All travel from Europe to the U.S. suspended for 30 days starting Friday 13th.

Source: Pres. trump address
https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:09 am

I work for a Seattle based Fortune 500 retailer (not the one you're thinking of) and our downtown headquarters are pretty much emptied out. All international and domestic travel has been cut. It is highly recommended that employees work from home. I'm not a fan of working from home, but am ready to, so I am one of the holdouts. The floor I work on usually houses 50 or so people. Today there were about 8 in office. Downtown is eerily quiet; there is no more rush hour, the streets and sidewalks still have people but it's more like an early Saturday morning crowd than a Wednesday evening crowd. Schools are closing for a while, keeping even more parents at home. I live close enough to work to walk (avoiding public transportation) but there are few people walking with me. Life is definitely not normal here in Seattle. It's strangely quiet and subdued. It was a long and rainy winter, and though we have plenty of sun in the forecast now, very few are going out to enjoy it.

I traveled PAE-PDX-SEA last weekend and though the flights had plenty of empty seats, it wasn't sparse (I flew E175s both directions.) PDX was noticeably emptier than usual, but Seattle seemed to be pretty busy when I arrived back on Saturday evening. Right now I'm booked to fly to the Bay Area (SEA-SFO then SJC-SEA) next weekend on Delta. I was really looking forward to getting to fly the A220 for the first time (both directions) but with Delta's waiver, I'll probably put that trip off. I tried to call them today, but there was only a message saying they were having technical difficulties and there was a 4 hour wait. They proceeded to end the call rather than put me in a queue.

In April I have my yearly trip to HNL booked and barring factors beyond my control, I plan on going. I have a Memorial Day weekend trip to LA booked, so I'm hoping things are settled by then. I'm not optimistic. Hopefully they'll be better before my yearly autumn trip home to HSV.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:12 am

I’m assuming that UAL AA and DL are going to be given some sort of subsidy for this ban
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:13 am

It will include cargo as well.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:13 am

The UK is not included in the suspension.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51846923



Are TATL flights now currently heading to Europe going to make a 180°, fuel permitting?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:17 am

Will it still be possible to connect at LHR or fly AC and connect at YYZ?

I may have to go travel to take care of family if things get ugly in the US.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:18 am

Waterbomber2 wrote:
The UK is not included in the suspension.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51846923



Are TATL flights now currently heading to Europe going to make a 180°, fuel permitting?



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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:18 am

Waterbomber2 wrote:
The UK is not included in the suspension.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51846923



Are TATL flights now currently heading to Europe going to make a 180°, fuel permitting?

It goes into effect on Friday.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:18 am

Does anyone else get the logic in excluding the U.K.? Any European can just fly into open borders U.K. and jump on a flight to the US??
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:18 am

Apart from the UK. Europeans have been banned from entering the US for 30 days.! Damn BA is rubbing its hands!
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:19 am

Belgium has more cases than the UK. The travel ban makes zero sense.
 
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US cancels flight to Europe except UK for 30 days

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:20 am

BREAKING: https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/cor ... index.html

As if the airline industry couldn't get worse this corona-virus needs to be under control...
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:20 am

Good bye US3 and European airlines.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:20 am

Adipocere wrote:
Does anyone else get the logic in excluding the U.K.? Any European can just fly into open borders U.K. and jump on a flight to the US??


Um no. Customs will have the data on where the passenger originated from.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:20 am

Adipocere wrote:
Does anyone else get the logic in excluding the U.K.? Any European can just fly into open borders U.K. and jump on a flight to the US??

Europeans trying to fly out of the UK will probably be flagged and denied boarding. The situation is fluid and it’s quite possible that in a few days the UK will be included as well if the number of infections continue to escalate.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:22 am

I don’t think this will work. People stuck in other countries in Europe will funnel thru the UK. ORD will have plane after plane from British and Aer Lingus.
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Re: TRUMP CANCELS ALL EUROPE TRAVEL FROM US EXCEPT FOR UK

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:22 am

...Thousands furloughed tomorrow
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:22 am

Virgin Atlantic and British Airways Got lucky!
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:23 am

This pretty much shuts down all trans-atlantic flying. Several months ago Parker said "American Airlines will never lose money again" Dont speak so fast!
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:23 am

KingB123 wrote:
Virgin Atlantic and British Airways Got lucky!

Don’t be too sure. They may get it too.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:23 am

Screening being done in the UK for all trying to fly to the USA ?
 
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Re: TRUMP CANCELS ALL EUROPE TRAVEL FROM US EXCEPT FOR UK

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:24 am

On the plus side - an increase in demand for Air Canada flights? He can’t ban travel between Canada and continental Europe.
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Re: TRUMP CANCELS ALL EUROPE TRAVEL FROM US EXCEPT FOR UK

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:25 am

Pretty much speechless. Does this cover cargo as well? This can be economically disastrous
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:25 am

What countries will be considered as Europe? Only EU countries? Will Turkey be included in the ban?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:25 am

Could airlines launch fifth-freedom flights between the U.S. and Europe by transiting through U.K. airports?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:25 am

In China, Cathay Pacific and Dragon (plus Air Hong Kong) have turned some of their passenger fleet into ad hoc freighters, flying planes full of belly cargo but no revenue passengers, using primarily the A330-300 fleet. https://www.ch-aviation.com/portal/news ... -cargo-ops

Keep in mind that with passenger planes being grounded, cargo rates have increased, as much freight these days is belly cargo. Among wide-bodies, the B77W is probably best situated as a belly cargo beast. This COVID-19 situation is also causing airlines to assess the operation of passenger planes with more than 2 engines. For instance, KE has grounded its entire A380 fleet (separate thread) and is only flying 45 planes (out of a fleet of 145). VS has accelerated the retirement of its A346 fleet, to where they have now ended A346 operations. LH will likely be assessing what to do with its A380 fleet, with the saving grace for the LH A346s likely being that they have a lower seat count with first class.

Domestically, UA is deploying B788s on transcon service to and from Newark (which typically would only see a B789 or the more frequent B78X). They are also an airline with a lot of issues in terms of wide-body fleet deployment now since their Asia network is devastated.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:26 am

leo777 wrote:
I don’t think this will work. People stuck in other countries in Europe will funnel thru the UK. ORD will have plane after plane from British and Aer Lingus.


They might try, but it won't succeed. Customs and border control knows where you are and have been.

The UK is not in the EU, and not in the Schengen treaty either. If the US says "No European travel to the US", then there will be none. There's no funnel.
 
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Re: TRUMP CANCELS ALL EUROPE TRAVEL FROM US EXCEPT FOR UK

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:26 am

What a fantastic idea. Keeping me out of Finland will for sure help, but yay UK.
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Re: TRUMP CANCELS ALL EUROPE TRAVEL FROM US EXCEPT FOR UK

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:26 am

Yes he said cargo also
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:27 am

casinterest wrote:
Waterbomber2 wrote:
The UK is not included in the suspension.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51846923



Are TATL flights now currently heading to Europe going to make a 180°, fuel permitting?



Friday Midnight is the deadline


Well, that's in 2.5 hours.
Midnight of a day is 0:00, as there is no 24:00.
 
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Re: TRUMP CANCELS ALL EUROPE TRAVEL FROM US EXCEPT FOR UK

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:27 am

Wednesdayite wrote:
On the plus side - an increase in demand for Air Canada flights? He can’t ban travel between Canada and continental Europe.



I do not think that is a "plus" as Air Canada has a poor reputation in Canada. Mind you it is better than paddling across the North Atlantic but not that much better.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:27 am

Waterbomber2 wrote:
casinterest wrote:
Waterbomber2 wrote:
The UK is not included in the suspension.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51846923



Are TATL flights now currently heading to Europe going to make a 180°, fuel permitting?



Friday Midnight is the deadline


Well, that's in 2.5 hours.
Midnight of a day is 0:00, as there is no 24:00.


Today is Wednesday/
Where ever you go, there you are.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:28 am

Holy moly! Although if the UK is exempt why not Ireland?
 
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Re: US cancels flight to Europe except UK for 30 days

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:28 am

Incalculable ban on travel for any period in history. Most tatl and Tpac stopped. The next few days will be amazing
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:28 am

What would this mean for Iceland, Norway etc etc who are not part of the EU? is their flying still as planned?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:30 am

KingB123 wrote:
What would this mean for Iceland, Norway etc etc who are not part of the EU? is their flying still as planned?


Good question. We need to know this. Same goes for Turkey. Are they banned too?
 
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Re: US cancels flight to Europe except UK for 30 days

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:31 am

On the plus side, emissions will go way down the next 30 days. On the down side, my heart hurts for all of those effected.
 
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Re: US cancels flight to Europe except UK for 30 days

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:32 am

I wonder if Air Canada could profit from this.

Does the ban count if a pax does DCA-YUL-CDG?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:32 am

So what’s the recommended workaround for Europeans - fly/ drive/ train into U.K. and then fly to the US or fly into Canada and the cross land borders into the US?

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