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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:26 am

PlutekPlutek wrote:
My cousin in visiting the US, due to fly back AA from Miami to Barcelona on Tuesday. He is travelling on an EU passport.
What are the chances of this flight even going ahead next week ? Would he be rerouted via London, or have his flight cancelled, and a refund ?
Should we start considering other options to get out of there before Friday ?

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The policy/ban is travel from Europe, not travel to Europe. Presuming there is a seat available, I would think they would be fine. If AA cancels the flight, then it could get interesting.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:26 am

Presume the ban will be extended when American rich and famous have reached their bolt holes in NZ and Australia.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:27 am

JetBuddy wrote:
KingB123 wrote:
What would this mean for Iceland, Norway etc etc who are not part of the EU? is their flying still as planned?


Good question. We need to know this. Same goes for Turkey. Are they banned too?


Turkey isn’t part of the EU nor european union so they’re not under any restriction
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:27 am

Look-term I think things will bounce back since there is a propensity for people to want to travel more than ever. The younger generations are traveling at record rates.
On the other hand governments and companies are increasingly going to look at how to put safeguards into place to mitigate what we are seeing today.

This feels a lot like the immediate post-9/11 era, where no one knew what was coming next, a lot of truth/confusion/mixed-messages/hype/paranoia from government agencies and media combined. People didn't know what to think and wavered between deep concern and over-paranoia. The boogie man in the room then was terrorism, this time is a pandemic.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:29 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Look-term I think things will bounce back since there is a propensity for people to want to travel more than ever. The younger generations are traveling at record rates.
On the other hand governments and companies are increasingly going to look at how to put safeguards into place to mitigate what we are seeing today.

This feels a lot like the immediate post-9/11 era, where no one knew what was coming next, a lot of truth/confusion/mixed-messages/hype/paranoia from government agencies and media combined. People didn't know what to think and wavered between deep concern and over-paranoia. The boogie man in the room then was terrorism, this time is a pandemic.


The more everything is cancelled and postponed I think the more of an itch people will have. By May 1 people are going to be flat out sick of this
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:30 am

KingB123 wrote:
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COEWR787 wrote:
Who says UK is "open borders"? ;)


Can’t any European just grab their passport, jump on a plane and get to the U.K.? I wish the U.K. (and reciprocally Europe) would require travelers to prearrange visa stickers in their passport after attending in person interviews, Submit vetting documents and pay sufficiently deterrent fees before any travel. Now that would be a truly safe and competently enforced border. It will also create social distancing and slow down pandemics.


This is not only inconvenient but a pain in the backside for us. I understand the pandemics but why complicate travel.

Secondly, europeans can get to the UK, but this travel ban will prevent them travelling to the usa


It’s no more complicated than what the U.K. and Europe already require for travelers from the vast majority of the world. Most people do go through this vetting before travel - no point in creating artificial exclusions especially in the face of a viral calamity.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:37 am

KingB123 wrote:
Adipocere wrote:
COEWR787 wrote:
Who says UK is "open borders"? ;)


Can’t any European just grab their passport, jump on a plane and get to the U.K.? I wish the U.K. (and reciprocally Europe) would require travelers to prearrange visa stickers in their passport after attending in person interviews, Submit vetting documents and pay sufficiently deterrent fees before any travel. Now that would be a truly safe and competently enforced border. It will also create social distancing and slow down pandemics.


This is not only inconvenient but a pain in the backside for us. I understand the pandemics but why complicate travel.

Secondly, europeans can get to the UK, but this travel ban will prevent them travelling to the usa


I have to assume that the UK is going to announce travel restrictions from the same countries that the US is restricting. Otherwise, it really makes no sense to exempt the UK from the ban.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:40 am

planecane wrote:
KingB123 wrote:
Adipocere wrote:

Can’t any European just grab their passport, jump on a plane and get to the U.K.? I wish the U.K. (and reciprocally Europe) would require travelers to prearrange visa stickers in their passport after attending in person interviews, Submit vetting documents and pay sufficiently deterrent fees before any travel. Now that would be a truly safe and competently enforced border. It will also create social distancing and slow down pandemics.


This is not only inconvenient but a pain in the backside for us. I understand the pandemics but why complicate travel.

Secondly, europeans can get to the UK, but this travel ban will prevent them travelling to the usa


I have to assume that the UK is going to announce travel restrictions from the same countries that the US is restricting. Otherwise, it really makes no sense to exempt the UK from the ban.


Absolutely, the UK should have done this sooner. A lot of flights to itlay are cancelled from the UK till april. Other countries have restricted UK nationals entry.

I think this is done on a political stump, but also as mentioned by others maybe having one gateway to the US will help authorities to potentially slow down the virus transmission
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:41 am

LNCS0930 wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Look-term I think things will bounce back since there is a propensity for people to want to travel more than ever. The younger generations are traveling at record rates.
On the other hand governments and companies are increasingly going to look at how to put safeguards into place to mitigate what we are seeing today.

This feels a lot like the immediate post-9/11 era, where no one knew what was coming next, a lot of truth/confusion/mixed-messages/hype/paranoia from government agencies and media combined. People didn't know what to think and wavered between deep concern and over-paranoia. The boogie man in the room then was terrorism, this time is a pandemic.


The more everything is cancelled and postponed I think the more of an itch people will have. By May 1 people are going to be flat out sick of this


Poor choice of words...
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:41 am

They are refusing entry to everyone (non-US citizen, non-US Permanent Resident, close relative) who has been in one of the Schengen countries 14 days prior to arrival in the US. It is not a blanket ban on EU citizens.

Any foreign citizen, including those from UK, EU, etc., cannot have traveled to the schengen area 14 days prior if they want to travel to the US.

So theoretically EU citizens can spend 14 days in the UK and catch a flight to the US.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:42 am

KingB123 wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
KingB123 wrote:
What would this mean for Iceland, Norway etc etc who are not part of the EU? is their flying still as planned?


Good question. We need to know this. Same goes for Turkey. Are they banned too?


Turkey isn’t part of the EU nor european union so they’re not under any restriction


The EU and the european union is the same thing....
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:45 am

pipeafcr wrote:
KingB123 wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:

Good question. We need to know this. Same goes for Turkey. Are they banned too?


Turkey isn’t part of the EU nor european union so they’re not under any restriction


The EU and the european union is the same thing....


Meant EEA and EU27
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:51 am

dfwking wrote:
They are refusing entry to everyone (non-US citizen, non-US Permanent Resident, close relative) who has been in one of the Schengen countries 14 days prior to arrival in the US. It is not a blanket ban on EU citizens.

Any foreign citizen, including those from UK, EU, etc., cannot have traveled to the schengen area 14 days prior if they want to travel to the US.

So theoretically EU citizens can spend 14 days in the UK and catch a flight to the US.

How do you enforce that? Passports aren’t stamped and they can just use a land boarder. Are they going to close the tunnel?
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:54 am

On the avgeek side, that’s a lot of domestic 767 777 787 A330 flights.

gatibosgru wrote:
When do we see UK cases explode from everyone trying to fly through it?


You cannot fly from EU-UK-US so that won’t be why.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:55 am

airzona11 wrote:
On the avgeek side, that’s a lot of domestic 767 777 787 A330 flights.

gatibosgru wrote:
When do we see UK cases explode from everyone trying to fly through it?


You cannot fly from EU-UK-US so that won’t be why.


I get it, doesn't mean people wont try.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:07 am

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On the avgeek side, that’s a lot of domestic 767 777 787 A330 flights.


Don't get your hopes up, most will have to be parked, the domestic market is already severely overcapacity with likely little to no demand next month & all the TPAC widebodies are already flooding the severely over saturated domestic market.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:10 am

KingB123 wrote:
What would this mean for Iceland, Norway etc etc who are not part of the EU? is their flying still as planned?


According to CNN: The ban apply to Schengen Europe. So Iceland, Norway, Switzerland etc included
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:22 am

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I predict Vietnam will stop all air traffic with Europe shortly. The damage to Vietnam economy will be huge, but at this stage, so will everyone. Just a matter of time.

Of course, after a dozen of infected cases were found on VN54 (LHR-HAN, 2nd March).
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:24 am

planecane wrote:
KingB123 wrote:
Adipocere wrote:

Can’t any European just grab their passport, jump on a plane and get to the U.K.? I wish the U.K. (and reciprocally Europe) would require travelers to prearrange visa stickers in their passport after attending in person interviews, Submit vetting documents and pay sufficiently deterrent fees before any travel. Now that would be a truly safe and competently enforced border. It will also create social distancing and slow down pandemics.


This is not only inconvenient but a pain in the backside for us. I understand the pandemics but why complicate travel.

Secondly, europeans can get to the UK, but this travel ban will prevent them travelling to the usa


I have to assume that the UK is going to announce travel restrictions from the same countries that the US is restricting. Otherwise, it really makes no sense to exempt the UK from the ban.

We’ll find out from Boris Johnson soon enough. If the UK government bans EU nationals from entering the UK, then we’ll know why Trump allowed an exemption for the UK. It’s possible then that the Eurotunnel will be closed to passenger services as well.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:41 am

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That is before tonight’s announcement. Expect a lot more cancellations/reductions the coming days.
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:43 am

FlyingHonu001 wrote:

Those were as of about 12 hours ago and I'm sure are already out of date.

I suspect that by next week all that DL will have left will be the following for the rest of March and April:

TATL: ATL, DTW, MSP, JFK - LHR
TPAC: DTW, ATL, SEA - NRT/HND

I suspect we will see more than 50% of domestic cut for April.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:44 am

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Will it still be possible to connect at LHR or fly AC and connect at YYZ?

I may have to go travel to take care of family if things get ugly in the US.

As I understand it, travel from Europe is banned from “any Gateway”. US citizens will have to go through an “enhanced screening process” that will be defined tomorrow. Likely that means quarantine.
 
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Re: US cancels flight to Europe except UK for 30 days

Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:47 am

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1989worstyear wrote:
Rip all remaining pax 757's and 767's.
Yeah, because that's what's important here. Thousands getting sick and dying, thousands being laid off and you're worried about some planes...

You do realize this is an aviation enthusiast forum? If comments on aircraft offends you in some way, then perhaps you'd be better off elsewhere :sarcastic:
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:47 am

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J2flyer wrote:
Hello, I'm due to fly to Berlin tomorrow March 12th, BOS-LHR-TXL. Back March 23rd on British Airways. Will I be able to request a refund from British Airways?


Contact BA and see what they say! Are you an american national?


No, I'm an Azerbaijani citizen studying here. I've already decided to change my flight by taking advantage of the free change fee offer.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:48 am

Australian authorities are considering a similar European ban on travelers
 
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Re: US cancels flight to Europe except UK for 30 days

Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:49 am

gatibosgru wrote:
MonAmQB wrote:
gatibosgru wrote:
Will this hold up in court?

ACLU will sue Trump for discrimination against Europeans?


Just don't understand why the UK is exempt while the rest of the continent is a no-go zone. Belgium, Austria, Greece, Czech Republic, Finland, Portugal, etc, have fewer cases and will take a huge hit from being blocked compared to the UK. So why not an entire travel ban? Or at least a continental ban?


Because of completely free movement under Schengen.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:54 am

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The move to exclude the UK is clearly politically motivated, he's a big supporter of Brexit and his speech was full of anti-EU sentiment.

The UK experienced its biggest daily rise in cases today, now heading towards 500+ with 8 deaths. There is no reasonable explanation to exclude it from the travel ban.

“Special Relationship”, and what comes after. I’d bet the US is already involved with the reconstruction planning, and probably economic support, as well.
 
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Re: US cancels flight to Europe except UK for 30 days

Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:00 am

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So apparently US citizens not affected as much ... So the virus hops on somebody and checks for a passport ???


Exactly. US national having spend more than 14 days in Europe are immune to Covid-19? What about other non-European nationals traveling from Europe to the US? And during the 30-day ban US nationals including airline crews will freely travel to Europe and interact with locals, not get infected and return to the US without check?

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:08 am

For those still in doubt, the travel ban doesn't include cargo, and it only covers Schengen treaty nations.

Why Schengen? Because of the freedom of travel between these nations. The UK is not, or has ever been part of Schengen.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:17 am

Here is a list of routes between the US and Europe operating this week prior to the ban being announced, lets see how much of it get's cut

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-15mar20/
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:19 am

According to YLE News Finland (refers to Reuters) the European (Schengen) governments were not warned beforehand, which is exceptional.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:23 am

JetBuddy wrote:
For those still in doubt, the travel ban doesn't include cargo, and it only covers Schengen treaty nations.

Why Schengen? Because of the freedom of travel between these nations. The UK is not, or has ever been part of Schengen.

There is also freedom of travel between the EU and the UK. Those border controls are nothing more than waving your passport
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:25 am

Midwestindy wrote:
airzona11 wrote:
On the avgeek side, that’s a lot of domestic 767 777 787 A330 flights.


Don't get your hopes up, most will have to be parked, the domestic market is already severely overcapacity with likely little to no demand next month & all the TPAC widebodies are already flooding the severely over saturated domestic market.


Correct. Operators of N registered twin aisles will not be adding more to domestic schedules. They will be parked, with periodics and MELs cleared. As will a fair amount of single aisles as well.

If this is quickly contained, a few hiring freezes, destruction of available OT, but no real problems. If this stretches into the summer, the legacies will be hit first and hardest, given their cost structures. This is not likely to happen, so we will not ever know, but an extended ban will cull at least one of those three before the year is out.

Simply too much cost to only operate a third of the fleet.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:27 am

marcelh wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
For those still in doubt, the travel ban doesn't include cargo, and it only covers Schengen treaty nations.

Why Schengen? Because of the freedom of travel between these nations. The UK is not, or has ever been part of Schengen.

There is also freedom of travel between the EU and the UK. Those border controls are nothing more than waving your passport


Incorrect. It’s a proper border control by the EU and the UK authorities. Be it by rail or by air.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:30 am

It is all philosophical to argue who was or was not included. The trajectory is obvious, and the UK will have to be banned within a week most likely. And a couple more weeks later it will the EU who will ban the US and Canada. It's all just a matter of stages.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:33 am

qf789 wrote:
Here is a list of routes between the US and Europe operating this week prior to the ban being announced, lets see how much of it get's cut

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-15mar20/

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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:34 am

ro1960 wrote:
marcelh wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
For those still in doubt, the travel ban doesn't include cargo, and it only covers Schengen treaty nations.

Why Schengen? Because of the freedom of travel between these nations. The UK is not, or has ever been part of Schengen.

There is also freedom of travel between the EU and the UK. Those border controls are nothing more than waving your passport


Incorrect. It’s a proper border control by the EU and the UK authorities. Be it by rail or by air.


Can we just agree it is arbitrary because there is not health check at UK borders.

I sympathize with everyone effected. I think it is slowly the time to buy airline and airport stocks.

I am currently in FRA and based on my weekly travels traffic is down 60-80%. I have a flight at 7.25 (brussels) and after my flight the next flight from T1 is 20 min later.
 
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:34 am

marcelh wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
For those still in doubt, the travel ban doesn't include cargo, and it only covers Schengen treaty nations.

Why Schengen? Because of the freedom of travel between these nations. The UK is not, or has ever been part of Schengen.

There is also freedom of travel between the EU and the UK. Those border controls are nothing more than waving your passport

I have the feeling that will end Friday as well.
 
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:37 am

ro1960 wrote:
marcelh wrote:
JetBuddy wrote:
For those still in doubt, the travel ban doesn't include cargo, and it only covers Schengen treaty nations.

Why Schengen? Because of the freedom of travel between these nations. The UK is not, or has ever been part of Schengen.

There is also freedom of travel between the EU and the UK. Those border controls are nothing more than waving your passport


Incorrect. It’s a proper border control by the EU and the UK authorities. Be it by rail or by air.

That’s what I’m saying; just scanning your passport.
 
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:38 am

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Midwestindy wrote:
airzona11 wrote:
On the avgeek side, that’s a lot of domestic 767 777 787 A330 flights.


Don't get your hopes up, most will have to be parked, the domestic market is already severely overcapacity with likely little to no demand next month & all the TPAC widebodies are already flooding the severely over saturated domestic market.


Correct. Operators of N registered twin aisles will not be adding more to domestic schedules. They will be parked, with periodics and MELs cleared. As will a fair amount of single aisles as well.

If this is quickly contained, a few hiring freezes, destruction of available OT, but no real problems. If this stretches into the summer, the legacies will be hit first and hardest, given their cost structures. This is not likely to happen, so we will not ever know, but an extended ban will cull at least one of those three before the year is out.

Simply too much cost to only operate a third of the fleet.

The lions share of the first cuts are going to be the regionals, I believe. IMHO, 1 or two companies besides Trans-States and Compass will likely get the axe completely, maybe more.
 
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:41 am

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DarkSnowyNight wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

Don't get your hopes up, most will have to be parked, the domestic market is already severely overcapacity with likely little to no demand next month & all the TPAC widebodies are already flooding the severely over saturated domestic market.


Correct. Operators of N registered twin aisles will not be adding more to domestic schedules. They will be parked, with periodics and MELs cleared. As will a fair amount of single aisles as well.

If this is quickly contained, a few hiring freezes, destruction of available OT, but no real problems. If this stretches into the summer, the legacies will be hit first and hardest, given their cost structures. This is not likely to happen, so we will not ever know, but an extended ban will cull at least one of those three before the year is out.

Simply too much cost to only operate a third of the fleet.

The lions share of the first cuts are going to be the regionals, I believe. IMHO, 1 or two companies besides Trans-States and Compass will likely get the axe completely, maybe more.

I could see the legacies brining some regional flying in house where they can.
 
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:43 am

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marcelh wrote:
There is also freedom of travel between the EU and the UK. Those border controls are nothing more than waving your passport


Incorrect. It’s a proper border control by the EU and the UK authorities. Be it by rail or by air.

That’s what I’m saying; just scanning your passport.


You said waving, not scanning. Plus scanning only works with some passports at borders with proper equipment. Still you have a UK and a EU check, with an agent or a machine. It’s not a walkthrough.

Well you’ll see next time you cross that border. Will it be your first time? :-)
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:58 am

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marcelh wrote:
ro1960 wrote:

Incorrect. It’s a proper border control by the EU and the UK authorities. Be it by rail or by air.

That’s what I’m saying; just scanning your passport.


You said waving, not scanning. Plus scanning only works with some passports at borders with proper equipment. Still you have a UK and a EU check, with an agent or a machine. It’s not a walkthrough.

Well you’ll see next time you cross that border. Will it be your first time? :-)

First time? First time this year. I’ve been in the UK regularly, so I know the drill ;-). IMHO, just scanning a passport isn’t really different than traveling within Schengen and it isn’t what I consider as a “proper” border control. Entering the UK isn’t much more than going to a pop concert and got your ticked scanned when entering the venue.
 
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:59 am

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They are refusing entry to everyone (non-US citizen, non-US Permanent Resident, close relative) who has been in one of the Schengen countries 14 days prior to arrival in the US. It is not a blanket ban on EU citizens.

Any foreign citizen, including those from UK, EU, etc., cannot have traveled to the schengen area 14 days prior if they want to travel to the US.

So theoretically EU citizens can spend 14 days in the UK and catch a flight to the US.

Until the UK bans anyone who has spent the last 14 days in the EU from entering.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:09 am

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Don't get your hopes up, most will have to be parked, the domestic market is already severely overcapacity with likely little to no demand next month & all the TPAC widebodies are already flooding the severely over saturated domestic market.


Correct. Operators of N registered twin aisles will not be adding more to domestic schedules. They will be parked, with periodics and MELs cleared. As will a fair amount of single aisles as well.

If this is quickly contained, a few hiring freezes, destruction of available OT, but no real problems. If this stretches into the summer, the legacies will be hit first and hardest, given their cost structures. This is not likely to happen, so we will not ever know, but an extended ban will cull at least one of those three before the year is out.

Simply too much cost to only operate a third of the fleet.

The lions share of the first cuts are going to be the regionals, I believe. IMHO, 1 or two companies besides Trans-States and Compass will likely get the axe completely, maybe more.



Certainly plausible, yes. Though regional costs are not high, they are a favorite Whipping Boy during the best of times. The temptation to conduct their damage in that direction will be present, yes.
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:28 am

Saw the following on Cathay's website:

Following the temporary suspension of passenger services to Japan, we are currently evaluating how to continue serving our cargo customers to and from Japan. This includes the retention of passenger services for cargo carriage only.
http://www.cathaypacificcargo.com/About ... fault.aspx
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Re: US cancels flight to Europe except UK for 30 days

Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:29 am

GalaxyFlyer wrote:
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With the UK excluded, how could this even work? You’d just book [EU City] -> LHR -> [US City] and lie about where you started, surely? (Yes, I know that would be an offence, but people will do it)

Good for BA, I guess, if all EU traffic is suddenly being funnelled through LHR.


Traveling on a French passport arriving at JFK would be one clue.


How? Free movement of people in the EU means there are literally millions of EU passport holders living in the UK - and an estimated 300,000 French. Your French passport holder can just book a ticket from CDG to LHR then onto JFK on a separate ticket, and claim to be one of those French living in the UK upon arrival in the US.

How would the US authorities know otherwise?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:39 am

Anyone knows how many seats there are in that 30-day period between the US and the 26 banned countries?
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Re: Coronavirus Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread - March 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:49 am

Since everyone is going to be staying at home and doing online shops . Could pax airlines switch some of their planes to cargo only . Could a 777 for ex with a hold full of cargo make enough to make a small profit

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