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Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:25 pm

Alright... let's try this again.

Delta Airlines will be adding two routes out of Seattle - Columbus and Dallas/Fort Worth

Both routes begin on June 8, 2020.

SEA-DFW operates 3x daily while SEA-CMH operates 1x daily. Both routes will be operated using the A220-100.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-add ... ort-worth/
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:34 pm

DL's new SEA-CMH comes at a bit of surprise, but AS has been doing well in terms of LF on the SEA-CMH. SEA-DFW was just a matter of time. I wonder if some gates at A and S concourses will open up by June as the Port completes the overpass.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:35 pm

wedgetail737 wrote:
DL's new SEA-CMH comes at a bit of surprise, but AS has been doing well in terms of LF on the SEA-CMH. SEA-DFW was just a matter of time. I wonder if some gates at A and S concourses will open up by June as the Port completes the overpass.


The A220 is a good starter aircraft for the service.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:00 pm

Worth mentioning that AUS-SEA is going 2x daily both on A220 as well, & 2x to MCO both on B739s
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:00 pm

About time that DELTA added SEA-DFW. Good for them. I wish DELTA much success and think the route will do well once it settles in.

Perfect timing for DELTA to act after NK recently dropped their service in that market. With DELTA being a much stronger competitor than NK, there is significant potential for DELTA to also pull traffic away from WN's DAL-SEA service.

It will also be interesting to see whether DELTA tiptoes into offering a couple of connections via DFW to/from the new SEA flights at some point down the road.
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:26 pm

Delta will do SEA-DFW for the O&D. Just like everybody talked about when DL was going to add LAX-DEN (in spite of the competition)... there are some destinations you just need to offer if you're going to be seen as viable for business travelers at a hub.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:37 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Delta will do SEA-DFW for the O&D. Just like everybody talked about when DL was going to add LAX-DEN (in spite of the competition)... there are some destinations you just need to offer if you're going to be seen as viable for business travelers at a hub.

I’m sure DL is counting on some connections in SEA.
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:44 pm

Definitely some good adds on Delta's part, and this only proves how much of a game changer the A220 is. However I'm still surprised we haven't seen many upgauges on these long, thin RJ routes out of NY like they heavily implied at the start other than DFW and IAH that is.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:59 pm

evank516 wrote:
Definitely some good adds on Delta's part, and this only proves how much of a game changer the A220 is. However I'm still surprised we haven't seen many upgauges on these long, thin RJ routes out of NY like they heavily implied at the start other than DFW and IAH that is.


Because what would they use the displaced 175/CR9 on? There has been no move to park CR2, and there isn’t going to be. It’s probably cheaper to use the 220 to open a market than a CR9/175, so why change what’s going on if it’s working
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:05 pm

I'm also inclined to believe that DL will have a very special deal for DTW-SEA-ICN-BLR passengers, for some reason. ;)
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:25 pm

There is lots of SEA-DFW O/D, although it’s dominated by AA. I wonder if DL adding this route is connected to AA’s international growth Plan in SEA.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:30 pm

Looks like the A220 shows up on at least one SEA-PDX turn this summer.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:45 pm

I think this is a sign Delta is serious about its Seattle hub and will soon overtake Alaska Airlines and become the largest carrier in Seattle.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:06 pm

flybry wrote:
I think this is a sign Delta is serious about its Seattle hub and will soon overtake Alaska Airlines and become the largest carrier in Seattle.


LOL. Not even close....AS has around 42% of the market share at SEA. Delta is a little less than half of that. Add Horizon Air into the equation, and AS can add a further 9.50%. There aren't enough gates, terminal space, on slots available for Delta to overtake AS any time soon.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 8:08 pm

flybry wrote:
I think this is a sign Delta is serious about its Seattle hub and will soon overtake Alaska Airlines and become the largest carrier in Seattle.


They also seem to be offering lower fares also. My brother ended up booking DL ANC-MSP-IAH next month instead of AS ANC-SEA-IAH because DL was $400 per person cheaper. DL really seems to be going after AS.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:08 pm

Any theories why Delta would add Columbus over Pittsburgh, or for that matter Cleveland, which doesn't have any daily service to SEA?
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:12 pm

Iloveboeing wrote:
flybry wrote:
I think this is a sign Delta is serious about its Seattle hub and will soon overtake Alaska Airlines and become the largest carrier in Seattle.


They also seem to be offering lower fares also. My brother ended up booking DL ANC-MSP-IAH next month instead of AS ANC-SEA-IAH because DL was $400 per person cheaper. DL really seems to be going after AS.


What does DL offering a cheap fare between ANC and IAH have anything to do with DL going after AS? Huh? All of the majors offer options between ANC and IAH through their hubs, not sure why that would specifically be targeting AS...

Overall, good adds from DL; I could never understand why this route wasn't added in the first place.

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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:15 pm

ncflyer wrote:
Any theories why Delta would add Columbus over Pittsburgh, or for that matter Cleveland, which doesn't have any daily service to SEA?


DL is larger at CMH than it is at both PIT and CLE, and this is likely a bit of a competitive jab at AS for building its partnership with AA as well.

Jeremy
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:18 pm

Congratulations to Delta and SEA. CMH is a little interesting, but DFW is long overdue.

When AA announced their international flights out of SEA, I knew DL announcing SEA-DFW was inevitable in the near future. Delta typically does a lot of careful planning and research before they finally pull the trigger on starting the route. Flying the 221 will give this market options as far as a hard product is concerned, and I think DL will be successful here, as well as on CMH. These adds should help them gain a little more real estate with POS’s gate algorithm once more gates open when the IAF and N gates projects are completed.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:53 pm

I flew the DL A220 last week and man, thats a nice nice ride. Very comfortable, big window in the bathroom!
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 9:54 pm

SESGDL wrote:
ncflyer wrote:
Any theories why Delta would add Columbus over Pittsburgh, or for that matter Cleveland, which doesn't have any daily service to SEA?


DL is larger at CMH than it is at both PIT and CLE, and this is likely a bit of a competitive jab at AS for building its partnership with AA as well.

Jeremy


That, and DL hasn't really been opening up new domestic routes from SEA unless they are already being flown by AS.

I would expect PIT/CLE-LAX before PIT/CLE-SEA, although ULCC presence makes it difficult
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:28 pm

DFW is an obvious move for more than one reason, the AA/AS deal being one of them. CMH on the other one is kind of a head scratcher to me... especially with AS going 2x daily on 739s next year. I would’ve guessed CLT or MIA just to retaliate at AA
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 10:49 pm

jonair8 wrote:
Congratulations to Delta and SEA. CMH is a little interesting, but DFW is long overdue.

When AA announced their international flights out of SEA, I knew DL announcing SEA-DFW was inevitable in the near future. Delta typically does a lot of careful planning and research before they finally pull the trigger on starting the route. Flying the 221 will give this market options as far as a hard product is concerned, and I think DL will be successful here, as well as on CMH. These adds should help them gain a little more real estate with POS’s gate algorithm once more gates open when the IAF and N gates projects are completed.


I will repeat comment from the earlier thread that SEA-DFW is a difficult market for non-AA airlines because of the size and power of DFW hub. Obviously DL can easily afford this activity, but it will be hard to make money. AA might decide to price it so that DL will not make any money in the market.

That is where A220 comes in. It has a fuel burn and a comfort level that AA cannot offer in the market. The A220 is a very interesting OA hub market prover aircraft for Delta. AA can't really match what it offers, and even if DL gets scraps in SEA-DFW market share, maybe the A220 can dine quite well on those scraps, make money and provide a great Delta experience.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:11 pm

ncflyer wrote:
Any theories why Delta would add Columbus over Pittsburgh, or for that matter Cleveland, which doesn't have any daily service to SEA?

Because AS flies CMH. But yeah, CLE-SEA is going to be 4x weekly this summer while SEA-CMH will be 3x daily. Something seems out of wack.
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:32 pm

SESGDL wrote:
ncflyer wrote:
Any theories why Delta would add Columbus over Pittsburgh, or for that matter Cleveland, which doesn't have any daily service to SEA?


DL is larger at CMH than it is at both PIT and CLE, and this is likely a bit of a competitive jab at AS for building its partnership with AA as well.

Jeremy


AS also made CMH-SEA double-daily seasonally a few weeks ago. Never thought I'd see CMH involved in a retaliatory add, though!
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:34 pm

So much for all that talk (during the YE) about growing the legacy hubs, and holding off on expansion at SEA & BOS...
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:46 pm

cledaybuck wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Delta will do SEA-DFW for the O&D. Just like everybody talked about when DL was going to add LAX-DEN (in spite of the competition)... there are some destinations you just need to offer if you're going to be seen as viable for business travelers at a hub.

I’m sure DL is counting on some connections in SEA.


Some. SEA is going to duplicate a lot of SLC connections (but be less distance-efficient) and even some LAX connections. I don't think DL is chasing DFW-KIX nor DFW-Sitka too hard.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:48 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
ncflyer wrote:
Any theories why Delta would add Columbus over Pittsburgh, or for that matter Cleveland, which doesn't have any daily service to SEA?


DL is larger at CMH than it is at both PIT and CLE, and this is likely a bit of a competitive jab at AS for building its partnership with AA as well.

Jeremy


AS also made CMH-SEA double-daily seasonally a few weeks ago. Never thought I'd see CMH involved in a retaliatory add, though!


This makes me wonder if AS adding CVG-SEA is on the table now?
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:40 am

I think people are not thinking about this from a business perspective. DL is not gonna "go after AS or AA," AS is not gonna "go after DL." DL wants to do well in SEA but they don't need to dump capacity and start a ton of routes. They don't have to be #1 at SEA or even close to be successful.

I'm sure there is some sort of retaliation between airlines occasionally, but it's nothing personal, just business. These airlines (DL and AS) are some of the best run in the US, maybe even the world. Their decisions are well thought out and not about owning the others or "winning"
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:31 am

DeltaMD90 wrote:
I think people are not thinking about this from a business perspective. DL is not gonna "go after AS or AA," AS is not gonna "go after DL." DL wants to do well in SEA but they don't need to dump capacity and start a ton of routes. They don't have to be #1 at SEA or even close to be successful.

I'm sure there is some sort of retaliation between airlines occasionally, but it's nothing personal, just business. These airlines (DL and AS) are some of the best run in the US, maybe even the world. Their decisions are well thought out and not about owning the others or "winning"


I only thought of it as retaliatory because of the timing. Truth be told, I NEVER saw CMH-SEA, a route which hadn't even started yet this time last year being 3x daily even seasonally.

It's entirely possible/likely DL saw how well AS did in its first year at CMH (LFs well over 90% for a decent chunk of the year) and wanted to get a piece of the pie with an airplane that should be easier to fill (though AS both upgauged the evening flight AND made the new morning flight 739s).
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:51 am

Columbus is home to a huge and expanding Amazon Web Services datacenter cluster. Google and Facebook also are building hyper-scale datacenters in the CMH metro area. Where they go, others then scramble to follow. In the last year CMH has become one of the hottest datacenter markets in the US. I’m shocked that it took this long for Delta to meet the needs of what has to be one of the top three or four corporate accounts in Seattle. United just started nonstops to CMH this year for the same reason.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:12 am

The SEA-CMH inaugural is already sold out. That can’t be right.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:19 am

Pudelhund wrote:
The SEA-CMH inaugural is already sold out. That can’t be right.


Nah, it hasn’t been completely loaded.

Not sure if it still is but SEA-DFW is “sold out” for all classes except F.

I’m assuming it’ll be available tomorrow?
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:20 am

Midwestindy wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
ncflyer wrote:
Any theories why Delta would add Columbus over Pittsburgh, or for that matter Cleveland, which doesn't have any daily service to SEA?


DL is larger at CMH than it is at both PIT and CLE, and this is likely a bit of a competitive jab at AS for building its partnership with AA as well.

Jeremy


That, and DL hasn't really been opening up new domestic routes from SEA unless they are already being flown by AS.

I would expect PIT/CLE-LAX before PIT/CLE-SEA, although ULCC presence makes it difficult


AS will also be serving PIT-SEA on double daily 739s this summer just like CMH. (Plus they have been in PIT longer). My only guess as to why CMH-SEA was launched without PIT-SEA as a similar competitive response to AA/AS is that perhaps it stretches the A220 legs a little too much?
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:38 am

Slightly off topic but this thread reminded me of back when DL had a little hub at DFW. Anyone else remember those days? Caught a few flights out of there to SEA, SLC, AUS on 72s, 763s, MD90s.
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Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:02 am

i think the timing of this makes it a clear retaliatory move.
Here is a shocker, DL connects just as much if not more than AS at SEA. If anyone wants the see the data. I will be glad to post Q3 data I got. So no, they are not just chasing O&D here. They don't enough point of sale on either end to fill 3 A220s a day on O&D.

And really surprised no one is mentioning this. Coronavirus is killing corporate travel everywhere. For an airline that depends heavily on corporate travel both domestically and internationally, great time to enter a market where its sure to bleed money. Oh, SEA-CMH is going to be bloody too. People continue to underestimate AS point of sale in Seattle.

If coronavirus wasn't such an issue, I'd say great. Time for them to use every last gate space available and upgauge all the RJ to A220s. If they want to make SEA sustainable long term, they need to go all the way. That means move every last A220-100 to Seattle. Otherwise, they are not getting additional gate space they need.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:15 am

tphuang wrote:
i think the timing of this makes it a clear retaliatory move.
Here is a shocker, DL connects just as much if not more than AS at SEA. If anyone wants the see the data. I will be glad to post Q3 data I got. So no, they are not just chasing O&D here. They don't enough point of sale on either end to fill 3 A220s a day on O&D.

And really surprised no one is mentioning this. Coronavirus is killing corporate travel everywhere. For an airline that depends heavily on corporate travel both domestically and internationally, great time to enter a market where its sure to bleed money. Oh, SEA-CMH is going to be bloody too. People continue to underestimate AS point of sale in Seattle.

If coronavirus wasn't such an issue, I'd say great. Time for them to use every last gate space available and upgauge all the RJ to A220s. If they want to make SEA sustainable long term, they need to go all the way. That means move every last A220-100 to Seattle. Otherwise, they are not getting additional gate space they need.


Don’t disagree - but let’s remember, we’re still in the awkward “nobody wants to believe this is actually happening” phase of a worldwide, potentially catastrophic pandemic (the potentially part adding even more uncertainty), so for now, it’s pretty much business as usual for the airlines. In 2-4 weeks, that very likely will change imo, but we’ll see.

I would imagine DL has had these additions lined up for several weeks, and the virus hasn’t even factored into the decisions.
 
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Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:35 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
flybry wrote:
I think this is a sign Delta is serious about its Seattle hub and will soon overtake Alaska Airlines and become the largest carrier in Seattle.


LOL. Not even close....AS has around 42% of the market share at SEA. Delta is a little less than half of that. Add Horizon Air into the equation, and AS can add a further 9.50%. There aren't enough gates, terminal space, on slots available for Delta to overtake AS any time soon.


Original post seems to be gone, but...c'mon, man. AS has held down roughly 50% of the SEA market for years now and has kept it up since DL hubed-up and SEA exploded in growth. DL might increase their presence once they have the gates available, but they're not taking the same share of the market anytime soon.
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Sun Mar 01, 2020 3:51 am

Midwestindy wrote:
SESGDL wrote:
ncflyer wrote:
Any theories why Delta would add Columbus over Pittsburgh, or for that matter Cleveland, which doesn't have any daily service to SEA?


DL is larger at CMH than it is at both PIT and CLE, and this is likely a bit of a competitive jab at AS for building its partnership with AA as well.

Jeremy


That, and DL hasn't really been opening up new domestic routes from SEA unless they are already being flown by AS.

I would expect PIT/CLE-LAX before PIT/CLE-SEA, although ULCC presence makes it difficult


Of course DL is opening routes flown by AS, there aren’t many (or any?) sizable markets that AS isn’t already on.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:07 am

Isn't CVG like the only Route Delta Delta fly's but Alaska doesn't?

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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:08 am

Isn't CVG like the only Route Delta Delta fly's but Alaska doesn't?

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Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:14 am

DeltaMD90 wrote:
Their decisions are well thought out and not about owning the others or "winning"


I’m sorry, but this is very naïve. Airlines want to win markets, market share, PRASM, margin, etc.
 
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Sun Mar 01, 2020 5:44 am

airlineaddict wrote:
DeltaMD90 wrote:
Their decisions are well thought out and not about owning the others or "winning"


I’m sorry, but this is very naïve. Airlines want to win markets, market share, PRASM, margin, etc.


No, they want to maximize profit, it’s that simple. But MD90s point is that DL isn’t adding these for ego, it’s because it’s part of a strategic plan.
 
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Sun Mar 01, 2020 6:51 am

tphuang wrote:
i think the timing of this makes it a clear retaliatory move.
Here is a shocker, DL connects just as much if not more than AS at SEA. If anyone wants the see the data. I will be glad to post Q3 data I got. So no, they are not just chasing O&D here. They don't enough point of sale on either end to fill 3 A220s a day on O&D.

And really surprised no one is mentioning this. Coronavirus is killing corporate travel everywhere. For an airline that depends heavily on corporate travel both domestically and internationally, great time to enter a market where its sure to bleed money. Oh, SEA-CMH is going to be bloody too. People continue to underestimate AS point of sale in Seattle.

If coronavirus wasn't such an issue, I'd say great. Time for them to use every last gate space available and upgauge all the RJ to A220s. If they want to make SEA sustainable long term, they need to go all the way. That means move every last A220-100 to Seattle. Otherwise, they are not getting additional gate space they need.

Can you post the P&Ls for Delta Seattle international network?


if can be for Q6 1932 thats fine.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sun Mar 01, 2020 11:37 am

tphuang wrote:
i think the timing of this makes it a clear retaliatory move.


Likely so for DFW, but I think the CMH route is about being responsive but not necessarily retaliatory. Look at it from the CMH side. WN is technically the largest airline at CMH, but the corporate contracts are mostly split between DL and AA. In that environment, the AS SEA-CMH nonstop was mildly concerning but not critical; it helped AS on SEA (and connecting-through-SEA) point of sale, but didn't affect much CMH point of sale. DL could and did compete on frequency through connections at DTW and MSP, just as well. Now, though, AS is joining Oneworld and an AA code is almost certainly going on that CMH-SEA flight. What was a mild concern, is now suddenly a huge competitive threat in the fight for corporate contracts ex-CMH. Adding its own nonstop has skipped up several, if not several dozen, places in the DL priority list. As I said, responsive, but not retaliatory.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sun Mar 01, 2020 12:39 pm

gunsontheroof wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
flybry wrote:
I think this is a sign Delta is serious about its Seattle hub and will soon overtake Alaska Airlines and become the largest carrier in Seattle.


LOL. Not even close....AS has around 42% of the market share at SEA. Delta is a little less than half of that. Add Horizon Air into the equation, and AS can add a further 9.50%. There aren't enough gates, terminal space, on slots available for Delta to overtake AS any time soon.


Original post seems to be gone, but...c'mon, man. AS has held down roughly 50% of the SEA market for years now and has kept it up since DL hubed-up and SEA exploded in growth. DL might increase their presence once they have the gates available, but they're not taking the same share of the market anytime soon.


Exactly.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:38 pm

Delta needs to be expanding in all the domestic markets excluded in AL/AA codeshares. American launching an expanded capacity/ frequency response then means competing with its new buddy for gates in Seattle eroding AL market share. Alaska unions won't be so happy with the partnerships unintended consequences.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sun Mar 01, 2020 1:41 pm

ibthebigd wrote:
Isn't CVG like the only Route Delta flies but Alaska doesn't?

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CVG and JAC.
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sun Mar 01, 2020 2:43 pm

airlineaddict wrote:
DeltaMD90 wrote:
Their decisions are well thought out and not about owning the others or "winning"


I’m sorry, but this is very naïve. Airlines want to win markets, market share, PRASM, margin, etc.

Then why doesn't DL add 100 widebody flights out of SEA? Maxing out all their gates?

I honestly think you and I actually agree on everything except the word "winning." Of course they want to and need to add flights to be successful in cities, but they need to smartly. Any airline can add a ton of flights, the key is making a profit

I have to remind myself that because I will often fall for the a.net trap of "why isn't DL adding SEA-xxx/yyy/zzz? Why haven't they added a ton of MIA flights? Where are all the BNA, AUS, and SJC expansions?"
 
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Re: Delta Adds SEA-CMH/DFW

Sun Mar 01, 2020 4:06 pm

TYWoolman wrote:
Delta needs to be expanding in all the domestic markets excluded in AL/AA codeshares. American launching an expanded capacity/ frequency response then means competing with its new buddy for gates in Seattle eroding AL market share. Alaska unions won't be so happy with the partnerships unintended consequences.

This is exactly where AS being a member of oneworld will help. For e.g. in this case, from the customer’s point of view, they will have 3x on DL vs 18x on AA/AS to Dallas (AA/AS may even increase). It is inevitable that on such overlapping routes, DL will only be able to build a token presence, while AS/AA will have more flexibility in terms of schedule. Your suggestion that DL can give AS a run for their money by launching routes like SEA-DFW sounds hardly credible.

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