• 1
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • 6
  • 7
 
Skyblue39
Posts: 434
Joined: Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:34 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Wed Mar 18, 2020 11:39 pm

Aer Lingus now offering voucher to the value of original fare + 10% extra for any flights you wish to refund which were due to be flown before 31st May.
 
S0Y
Posts: 112
Joined: Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:25 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Thu Mar 19, 2020 3:04 am

Don’t forget that EC261 will get you cash refund if flying inside 2wks of the flight cancelation by the airline
 
SRGVA67
Posts: 18
Joined: Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:12 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:44 am

S0Y wrote:
Don’t forget that EC261 will get you cash refund if flying inside 2wks of the flight cancelation by the airline

I think that with the difficulties airlines are facing due to the Covid-19 and restrictions imposed by governments, EC261 is the least of their worries. How greedy can you get
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 23925
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:48 am

SRGVA67 wrote:
S0Y wrote:
Don’t forget that EC261 will get you cash refund if flying inside 2wks of the flight cancelation by the airline

I think that with the difficulties airlines are facing due to the Covid-19 and restrictions imposed by governments, EC261 is the least of their worries. How greedy can you get


On the flip side there are companies that are trying to dupe customers into forfeiting their rights and offering vouchers when they are fully entitled to a refund as per contract. Obviously crazy times right now but some companies and airlines are trying to exploit people. Certainly not a way to keep future customers.
 
bx737
Posts: 618
Joined: Mon Sep 17, 2001 4:47 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:01 pm

Re EC261, I reckon that this qualifies as an extraordinary event.
 
DalRiada
Posts: 59
Joined: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:30 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:12 pm

https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperi ... 3-2020.pdf

I don’t think this will be a quick 6 week problem like some think.
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 23925
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:18 pm

DalRiada wrote:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

I don’t think this will be a quick 6 week problem like some think.


Its going to be a year to 18 months realistically. There will be waves of shut downs and changes to everything in life. At certain times things maybe eased a bit but at peaks it will be full lockdown globally.
 
S0Y
Posts: 112
Joined: Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:25 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:21 pm

SRGVA67 wrote:
S0Y wrote:
Don’t forget that EC261 will get you cash refund if flying inside 2wks of the flight cancelation by the airline

I think that with the difficulties airlines are facing due to the Covid-19 and restrictions imposed by governments, EC261 is the least of their worries. How greedy can you get


You completely missed the point, why should a private citizen allow the airline keep their money?

Previous poster mentioned EI were offering vouchers, however under EC261, you are entitled to a cash refund if the airline cancels. Some airlines (IAG ones included) were trying to trick customers into taking vouchers instead.

I said nothing about claiming additional compensation under EC261. The EU have clarified that customers are entitled to a cash refund in the circumstance outlined above. For what its worth they also made an exception for the additional compensation element of the regulation, so nobody is getting that even if they try https://ec.europa.eu/transport/themes/p ... -rights_en
Last edited by S0Y on Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:24 pm, edited 2 times in total.
 
DalRiada
Posts: 59
Joined: Fri Oct 20, 2017 1:30 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:23 pm

OA260 wrote:
DalRiada wrote:
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

I don’t think this will be a quick 6 week problem like some think.


Its going to be a year to 18 months realistically. There will be waves of shut downs and changes to everything in life. At certain times things maybe eased a bit but at peaks it will be full lockdown globally.


Yeah exactly - but most businesses haven’t clicked to this yet. It’s not any way of being able to run an airline, when the continent/world is on lockdown 50% of the time until a vaccine is found.
 
EIBoston
Posts: 411
Joined: Fri Sep 29, 2006 11:18 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:34 pm

OA260 wrote:
iRISH251 wrote:
OA260 wrote:

They are all doing it sadly Aer Lingus has TRIPLED many of their fares for Summer.


I was planning travel with Aer Lingus in April and have just applied for a refund. I don't see any point in trying to pick alternative travel dates when there is total uncertainty as to when some sort of normality may return.



Exactly take the money and keep it until things calm down hopefully in 3-6 months although thats even doubtful at the moment.

I got an email overnight offering me vouchers(plus 10%) for my upcoming flights. I had 2 T/A flights coming up in April. I just want the refunds. I assume they will have to give them seeing as they are not operating the flights I am due to be on.
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 23925
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:36 pm

The one thing the EU may need to look at and other countries also is a cap on maximum fares charged within the EU. EUR600 oneway for a SAVER fare is disgusting especially when they are talking about asking for government bailouts and aid.
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 23925
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:49 pm

QR reducing DUB-DOH to 4 weekly for April and May.

Source Qatar Airways
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 23925
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:27 pm

Aer Lingus cuts pay as DAA freezes recruitment and pay

Aer Lingus is to halve the working hours and pay of staff due reductions in capacity and passenger travel due to the Covid-19 virus.

In a bulletin to staff, the airline states: "The sharp and swift global decline in demand for air travel is without precedent."

The airline says it is cutting capacity by 75% compared to the same time last year, and overall pay for all personnel will be reduced by 50%.


www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0319/1124 ... t-and-pay/
 
Skyblue39
Posts: 434
Joined: Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:34 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Thu Mar 19, 2020 10:26 pm

Interesting that Aeroflot are keeping Moscow - Dublin in service despite massive cuts to their European schedule.
 
Eirules
Posts: 1895
Joined: Sat Aug 04, 2007 5:17 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:48 am

Skyblue39 wrote:
Interesting that Aeroflot are keeping Moscow - Dublin in service despite massive cuts to their European schedule.


Same with Swiss. Dublin is one of only 8 routes that’s operating and it’s not that they’re getting connections- EWR is their only long haul at the moment
The way you cut your meat reflects the way you live....
 
Fliplot
Posts: 93
Joined: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:23 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:15 am

Maybe belly cargo - medical supplies, pharmaceuticals? Strange but whi kniws?
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 23925
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Fri Mar 20, 2020 7:48 am

Fliplot wrote:
Maybe belly cargo - medical supplies, pharmaceuticals? Strange but whi kniws?


Correct its going to be cargo that keeps those routes operating .
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 23925
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Fri Mar 20, 2020 10:55 am

Stobart Air holding company falls into administration
Dublin-based Stobart Air operates Aer Lingus Regional service

Connect Airways, the holding company behind Dublin-based Stobart Air, which operates the Aer Lingus Regional service, has fallen into administration in the UK, the Irish Independent has learned.
The move is linked to the recent collapse of Flybe. UK-based Flybe was also part of Connect Airways.

The administration means that accountancy firm EY now controls Connect and 49pc of Stobart Air. The other 51pc of Stobart Air is owned by its more than 400 staff.

www.independent.ie/business/world/stoba ... 55641.html
 
BrianDromey
Posts: 2578
Joined: Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:23 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:33 am

OA260 wrote:
Stobart Air holding company falls into administration
Dublin-based Stobart Air operates Aer Lingus Regional service

Connect Airways, the holding company behind Dublin-based Stobart Air, which operates the Aer Lingus Regional service, has fallen into administration in the UK, the Irish Independent has learned.
The move is linked to the recent collapse of Flybe. UK-based Flybe was also part of Connect Airways.

The administration means that accountancy firm EY now controls Connect and 49pc of Stobart Air. The other 51pc of Stobart Air is owned by its more than 400 staff.

http://www.independent.ie/business/worl ... 55641.html


I assume it will still be business "as usual" for Stobart Air themselves. I think the administration happened on the 10th of March. It will be in the administrators interests to keep Stobart Air as a going concern. Of course in the current uncertain times, who knows what will happen. I think its a fair assumption that the Summer schedule is a write-off. Even if travel restrictions are lifted in June/July the economic fall-out and worries about a rebound of the disease is likely to mean demand is suppressed. Stobart, Ryanair and Aer Lingus are likely to be in a relatively strong position, UK and Ireland traffic is relatively robust - even in these times.

What I do wonder is how habits will change - working from home, remote working and video conferencing will effectively become the new normal. When combined with environmental concerns, I don't think business travel will ever recover to the same extent. People have potentially regained an hour to two hours from their day by not commuting. I'm not sure a lot of people will want to give those hours back and I'd imagine that companies will be wondering why they have large-scale offices in the centre of large cities - I can see models like WeWork becoming the normal even for large companies, where they have meeting rooms and hot-desking facilities, but much smaller corporate offices.
 
Fliplot
Posts: 93
Joined: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:23 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Fri Mar 20, 2020 11:56 am

You may well be correct, but I think it far too early for any certainties or major scale life changes. Remember all the changes we were going to make after the collapse of the Celtic Tiger! Che sera, sera!
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 23925
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:26 pm

Ryanair to cut staff and executive pay by 50%

Ryanair's chief executive has said he and the rest of the airline's employees will take a 50% pay cut for the months of April and May as a result of disruption to the business because of the coronavirus pandemic.

Michael O'Leary also said the airline has the cash to survive for "maybe even 12 months" with no flights or revenue as the coronavirus shuts the air travel industry down.

www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0320/1124 ... pay-by-50/
 
User avatar
aerdingus
Posts: 2716
Joined: Tue Dec 05, 2006 8:58 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Fri Mar 20, 2020 2:54 pm

OA260 wrote:
SRGVA67 wrote:
S0Y wrote:
Don’t forget that EC261 will get you cash refund if flying inside 2wks of the flight cancelation by the airline

I think that with the difficulties airlines are facing due to the Covid-19 and restrictions imposed by governments, EC261 is the least of their worries. How greedy can you get


On the flip side there are companies that are trying to dupe customers into forfeiting their rights and offering vouchers when they are fully entitled to a refund as per contract. Obviously crazy times right now but some companies and airlines are trying to exploit people. Certainly not a way to keep future customers.


Yep, Vueling are sending me a voucher. I was looking forward to having the money back. Ah well.
A306 A313 A319 A320 A321 A333 A346 A359 ATR42 ATR72 B734 B737 B738 B744 B772 B789 C152 MD80 RJ85 S340
 
EIEIDW
Posts: 74
Joined: Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:22 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Fri Mar 20, 2020 8:19 pm

Eastern to take on SOU-DUB.
No dates have been set it but should be announced when everything calms down.

https://www.easternairways.com/news/72/ ... ouncements

Nice to see this route being restored
 
Galwayman
Posts: 829
Joined: Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:20 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:19 pm

OA260 wrote:
Ryanair to cut staff and executive pay by 50%

Ryanair's chief executive has said he and the rest of the airline's employees will take a 50% pay cut for the months of April and May as a result of disruption to the business because of the coronavirus pandemic.

Michael O'Leary also said the airline has the cash to survive for "maybe even 12 months" with no flights or revenue as the coronavirus shuts the air travel industry down.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/03 ... pay-by-50/


That’s brilliant well done MOL for at least trying to save jobs . Branson by comparison is missing in action yet again
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 23925
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:43 am

EIEIDW wrote:
Eastern to take on SOU-DUB.
No dates have been set it but should be announced when everything calms down.

https://www.easternairways.com/news/72/ ... ouncements

Nice to see this route being restored


It is indeed and hopefully more reliable then Flymaybe was !
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 23925
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:45 pm

Emirates suspending DUB-DXB from Wednesday until further notice.
 
EIEIDW
Posts: 74
Joined: Mon Nov 18, 2019 10:22 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:20 pm

Rte News:

Tánaiste Simon Coveney says there is an agreement between Aer Lingus and British Airways to send a charter flight to Lima in Peru in the coming days to bring Irish citizens home
 
BrianDromey
Posts: 2578
Joined: Sun Dec 10, 2006 2:23 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:54 pm

OA260 wrote:
Emirates suspending DUB-DXB from Wednesday until further notice.


Ive seen posting elsewhere that EK will suspend all operations. The following is posted on their website
Emirates.com wrote:
FLIGHT UPDATES

Emirates will temporarily suspend passenger operations by 25 March.

Until 25 March, the situation remains dynamic and our flight schedules may change at short notice to comply with regulatory directives or operational requirements. We aim to provide affected customers with updated information as early as possible. To receive the latest notifications on your flight, customers should ensure their contact details are updated by visiting manage my booking. Customers can also check the website for their flight status.
 
User avatar
shamrock350
Posts: 5404
Joined: Mon Mar 28, 2005 12:38 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:05 pm

I'm guessing BA will operate the Lima charter flight.

Also talk of Aer Lingus doing multiple flights to China to pick up medial supplies.
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 23925
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:12 pm

EIEIDW wrote:
Rte News:

Tánaiste Simon Coveney says there is an agreement between Aer Lingus and British Airways to send a charter flight to Lima in Peru in the coming days to bring Irish citizens home


Good news the guys down there are in a tricky situation. A mate of mine has a cousin who is one of those stranded. Shameful that some of the locals have turned on them !
 
Galwayman
Posts: 829
Joined: Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:20 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:55 pm

shamrock350 wrote:
I'm guessing BA will operate the Lima charter flight.

Also talk of Aer Lingus doing multiple flights to China to pick up medial supplies.



Now confirmed , well done China for stepping up to the mark yet again
 
Galwayman
Posts: 829
Joined: Fri Mar 10, 2017 10:20 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:03 pm

We need permanent year long direct flights to Beijing now , for strategic reasons at whatever the cost
 
Skyblue39
Posts: 434
Joined: Sun Jul 16, 2017 9:34 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:04 pm

Emirates not just only cancelling Dublin, but suspending all commercial flights.
 
wexfordflyer
Posts: 202
Joined: Mon Jun 01, 2009 1:48 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:27 pm

Galwayman wrote:
We need permanent year long direct flights to Beijing now , for strategic reasons at whatever the cost


Why is that?
Come with me, there's a place I want you to see, where the leaves are dark, I've got a hiding place in central park.
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 23925
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:53 pm

Coronavirus: Trainee Ryanair crew in Dublin quarantine after positive tests

Fifteen Italian trainees arrived in Ireland on March 7th and all tested positive for Covid-19

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-n ... 0?mode=amp
 
User avatar
atcsundevil
Moderator
Posts: 3883
Joined: Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:22 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Sun Mar 22, 2020 6:06 pm

Just a reminder that this forum is for aviation discussion only. Political comments belong in the Non Aviation Forum.

✈️ atcsundevil
 
Fliplot
Posts: 93
Joined: Wed Jul 31, 2019 2:23 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:38 pm

What political comment?
Curious!!!
 
EI321
Posts: 5048
Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:43 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:10 am

Delta A359 due into DUB around 9pm
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 23925
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Mon Mar 23, 2020 9:44 am

Aer Lingus Regional operator reduces schedule

Stobart Air, which operates Aer Lingus Regional services, said it has decided to operate a significantly reduced schedule this week which will result in temporary layoffs of staff.

The airline said it would temporarily suspend all international flight operations with effect from Saturday March 28 until further notice.

www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0323/1124 ... -services/
 
Eagleboy
Posts: 1778
Joined: Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:29 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Mon Mar 23, 2020 11:56 am

That article about the FR crew is shocking......March 7th they arrived in.
The outbreak in a Italy made the news here around Feb 21-22nd.
Poor kids, leaving home (in Bergamo) to get quarantined in Ireland while their home is suffering a trade by.

The Delta A350 is apparently SLC-DTW-DUB
 
kaitak
Posts: 9815
Joined: Wed Aug 18, 1999 5:49 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:14 pm

Emirates and Etihad cancelling all passenger flights from Tuesday midnight, until further notice.

Stobart cancelling all flights except domestic PSO routes.

Who is left? Cityjet, Aer Lingus, Loganair, BA, some of the European carriers.

I can see, within the next week, almost all carriers grounding operations, or at least around 90%. As of now, loads are down to a fraction of what they would normally be and continued operation seems to be just bleeding cash.
 
iRISH251
Posts: 763
Joined: Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:56 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:25 pm

EI321 wrote:
Delta A359 due into DUB around 9pm


Was due this morning but seems to have rerouted via DTW.
Last edited by iRISH251 on Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.
 
Eagleboy
Posts: 1778
Joined: Fri Dec 04, 2009 2:29 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:30 pm

EI321 wrote:
Delta A359 due into DUB around 9pm


iRISH251 wrote:
EI321 wrote:
Delta A359 due into DUB around 9pm


Landed around 0730 as far as I know.



https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/dl8834

Landed in DTW at 0728.

DTW-DUB schedule is 0210 departure and 2126 arrivl in Dublin
 
iRISH251
Posts: 763
Joined: Fri Nov 26, 2004 3:56 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:31 pm

Eagleboy wrote:
EI321 wrote:
Delta A359 due into DUB around 9pm


iRISH251 wrote:
EI321 wrote:
Delta A359 due into DUB around 9pm


Landed around 0730 as far as I know.



https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/dl8834

Landed in DTW at 0728.

DTW-DUB schedule is 0210 departure and 2126 arrivl in Dublin


Yes, my apologies - I misread FR24.
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 23925
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:19 pm

kaitak wrote:
Emirates and Etihad cancelling all passenger flights from Tuesday midnight, until further notice.

Stobart cancelling all flights except domestic PSO routes.

Who is left? Cityjet, Aer Lingus, Loganair, BA, some of the European carriers.

I can see, within the next week, almost all carriers grounding operations, or at least around 90%. As of now, loads are down to a fraction of what they would normally be and continued operation seems to be just bleeding cash.



Only emergency and cargo flights should be operating . There needs to be a complete lockdown with the NI border shut off if need be.Scenes at Irish national parks and tourist towns were shocking this weekend. Did these people not get the memo ? Stay home !
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 23925
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:41 pm

TK at DUB today


Image
 
User avatar
AmricanShamrok
Posts: 2119
Joined: Fri May 09, 2008 2:03 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Mon Mar 23, 2020 3:02 pm

NOC to suspend operations until further notice

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2020/03 ... perations/
 
Clydenairways
Posts: 1252
Joined: Thu Jan 11, 2007 8:27 am

Re: Irish 3/20

Mon Mar 23, 2020 4:50 pm

Cargo only flights will have to sustain airlines for the foreseeable future.
 
EI321
Posts: 5048
Joined: Tue Jul 07, 2009 4:43 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Mon Mar 23, 2020 5:55 pm

That DL A359 departs DUB to ATL at midday tomorrow. Might be subject to change as one-off cargo flights often don't depart bang in schedule.
 
User avatar
OA260
Posts: 23925
Joined: Thu Nov 30, 2006 8:50 pm

Re: Irish 3/20

Tue Mar 24, 2020 9:52 am

The Irish Times view on the Putin playbook: Russian bombers near Ireland

The Russian aircraft did not violate Irish sovereign airspace but flying through international airspace controlled by Irish aviation authorities on unscheduled flights when the aircraft are flying with their transponders turned off and without making contact with Irish air traffic controllers is not going to win you many friends in a busy area used by commercial and private aircraft.

www.irishtimes.com/opinion/editorial/th ... 1?mode=amp
  • 1
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • 6
  • 7

Popular Searches On Airliners.net

Top Photos of Last:   24 Hours  •  48 Hours  •  7 Days  •  30 Days  •  180 Days  •  365 Days  •  All Time

Military Aircraft Every type from fighters to helicopters from air forces around the globe

Classic Airliners Props and jets from the good old days

Flight Decks Views from inside the cockpit

Aircraft Cabins Passenger cabin shots showing seat arrangements as well as cargo aircraft interior

Cargo Aircraft Pictures of great freighter aircraft

Government Aircraft Aircraft flying government officials

Helicopters Our large helicopter section. Both military and civil versions

Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos