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AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:46 pm

An AC Express CR9 registered C-FNJZ operating AC8839 was evacuated at SFO this morning due to smoke in the cabin after takeoff. The aircraft returned to SFO where all pax evacuated safely.

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Evacuation video:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1234191499186728960
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Sun Mar 01, 2020 7:52 pm

Nice to see that they remembered to take their bags with them.
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Sun Mar 01, 2020 8:29 pm

bennett123 wrote:
Nice to see that they remembered to take their bags with them.


No kidding.

I didn't see any indication of smoke, but they performed an emergency evac as opposed to a controlled evac utilizing just the airstairs.
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:18 am

barney captain wrote:
I didn't see any indication of smoke, but they performed an emergency evac as opposed to a controlled evac utilizing just the airstairs.


They could smell smoke in the cockpit and both lav smoke alarms (fore and aft) were activated. After taking off of 01R they landed on 28R, 6 minutes later. Impressive.

Without actually being in the cabin, I’d have to agree with the sentiment to get everyone off as quickly as possible. If I were sitting in the back of that pencil, when only using one main exit, I could imagine panic ensuing.
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:32 am

Air Canada just can't stay out of trouble in SFO, eh?
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:33 am

barney captain wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Nice to see that they remembered to take their bags with them.


No kidding.

I didn't see any indication of smoke, but they performed an emergency evac as opposed to a controlled evac utilizing just the airstairs.


Reminds me of WN 2123 in SNA that evacuated due to an APU fire... no smoke in cabin, no smell, nothing... yet the Pilots initiated an EVAC.
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:55 am

bennett123 wrote:
Nice to see that they remembered to take their bags with them.


Aviation authorities (eg FAA) need to set up fines of $1000 (or more) per bag bigger than a wallet taken off during evacuation, or find some law where they can be charged for endangering lives. No shortage of evidence as every evacuation is filmed these days.
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:05 am

Technically this was a Jazz flight. Also odd that I just now see a Ground Stop for all JZA a/c.
ATCSCC 003 DCC 03/02/2020 JZA GROUND STOP
MESSAGE:
EVENT TIME: 02/0045 - 02/0130
FACILITIES INCLUDED: ALL
REASON: AIRLINE REQUEST
REMARKS: DUE TO AIRLINE REQUEST PLEASE GROUND STOP ALL JZA AIRCRAFT.

EFFECTIVE TIME: 020048 - 020200
SIGNATURE: 20/03/02 00:48

Looks like a fun day to be in operations for Jazz Air.
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:30 am

theasianguy wrote:
Air Canada just can't stay out of trouble in SFO, eh?

The joke doesn’t work sadly because it’s Jazz, not Air Canada.
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 3:00 am

767333ER wrote:
theasianguy wrote:
Air Canada just can't stay out of trouble in SFO, eh?

The joke doesn’t work sadly because it’s Jazz, not Air Canada.

A couple Jazz pilots I know put "Air Canada Express pilot" in their instagram bios. Can't have it both ways ;) :stirthepot:
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:06 am

767333ER wrote:
The joke doesn’t work sadly because it’s Jazz, not Air Canada.


If there was an award for most ridiculous statement of the day, you would win.
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:13 am

Does Bombardier use kapton in the CRJ-900?
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:22 am

IPFreely wrote:
767333ER wrote:
The joke doesn’t work sadly because it’s Jazz, not Air Canada.


If there was an award for most ridiculous statement of the day, you would win.


I was going to say them same for the origin comment...
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:47 am

767333ER wrote:
theasianguy wrote:
Air Canada just can't stay out of trouble in SFO, eh?

The joke doesn’t work sadly because it’s Jazz, not Air Canada.

Flying on behalf of Air Canada, so yes, the joke does work :sarcastic:
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:50 pm

While some may think it’s “a joke”, I think this reflects very well on the quality of the Jazz operation and their pilots. To get the boat back on the ground in 6 minutes safely is not easy! Not to mention, ATC deserves accolades, as it is not easy for them to coordinate such a manoeuvre at such a busy airport.

I can think of a couple smoke/fire issues on take off in the past that had far worse results.

But ..... by your convoluted extension, you feel Air Canada too deserves praise as “it’s all Air Canada”, right? To me, that seems like taking away credit from Jazz.
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 12:58 pm

6 minutes is kinda kewl ....

what did they do
negativ-G rolls ....?
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:07 pm

barney captain wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Nice to see that they remembered to take their bags with them.


No kidding.

I didn't see any indication of smoke, but they performed an emergency evac as opposed to a controlled evac utilizing just the airstairs.


Hard to say until the final report is out. Captain could've called for a delanement using the main door, but maybe someone at the emergency exit misheard or felt unsafe and they opened up one of the over wing exits. Once one is open, others follow and it turns into a full blown evac.

The reason I think this is the case is because the forward service door isn't opened. The forward 2 doors would be the responsibility of the FA, and if they didn't open that service door, I'm thinking a full evac wasn't called by the flight deck.
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 1:54 pm

longhauler wrote:
While some may think it’s “a joke”, I think this reflects very well on the quality of the Jazz operation and their pilots. To get the boat back on the ground in 6 minutes safely is not easy! Not to mention, ATC deserves accolades, as it is not easy for them to coordinate such a manoeuvre at such a busy airport.

I can think of a couple smoke/fire issues on take off in the past that had far worse results.

But ..... by your convoluted extension, you feel Air Canada too deserves praise as “it’s all Air Canada”, right? To me, that seems like taking away credit from Jazz.


As always, thanks for your insight, and your excellent, knowledgeable, balanced comments Longhauler. It's great to have people like you on this forum. You really do make a difference. People like you make it worthwhile being on here!

I agree: kudos to the great professionals for getting that heavy and slick CR9 down in 6 minutes. Must have been tight and sporty maneuvering!

One question: looking at the video, the aircraft is sitting still with nothing happening for the best part of 32 seconds before the evacuation actually begins....why so long? Any clue?

Thanks

danny
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:15 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
longhauler wrote:

One question: looking at the video, the aircraft is sitting still with nothing happening for the best part of 32 seconds before the evacuation actually begins....why so long? Any clue?

Thanks

danny


It's probably because folks were grabbing their bags.
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:19 pm

ACDC8 wrote:
767333ER wrote:
theasianguy wrote:
Air Canada just can't stay out of trouble in SFO, eh?

The joke doesn’t work sadly because it’s Jazz, not Air Canada.

Flying on behalf of Air Canada, so yes, the joke does work :sarcastic:

Only these things are Air Canada: the crew uniforms, the food, the coffee, the paint on the aircraft, the destinations, and the capacity purchased by Air Canada in the cabin. It’s no more Air Canada than SkyWest is United.
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:30 pm

oldannyboy wrote:
One question: looking at the video, the aircraft is sitting still with nothing happening for the best part of 32 seconds before the evacuation actually begins....why so long? Any clue?

I am not familiar with the CRJ-900, but what I fly, an evacuation is performed by a checklist, which can take 20-30 seconds.

That checklist is started after the need to evacuate is confirmed. That confirmation is made using inside information (the FAs) and outside information (ATC and emergency response vehicles). Sometimes it can take a few seconds.

But if at any point, the Captain is not comfortable, he will call for the emergency evacuation checklist, get the folks off the plane, answer questions later. On what I fly, one can almost guarantee some injuries during evacuation ..... it’s not an easy decision.
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:43 pm

WNCrew wrote:
barney captain wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Nice to see that they remembered to take their bags with them.


No kidding.

I didn't see any indication of smoke, but they performed an emergency evac as opposed to a controlled evac utilizing just the airstairs.


Reminds me of WN 2123 in SNA that evacuated due to an APU fire... no smoke in cabin, no smell, nothing... yet the Pilots initiated an EVAC.


Not 100% certain if your comment is being critical of the SNA situation but I would think a fire anywhere in the aircraft warrants getting out as quickly as possible. Fires can spread. I recall reading once that fire is one of the things that concerns pilots the most because of limited ability to do anything about it.
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:08 pm

767333ER wrote:
ACDC8 wrote:
767333ER wrote:
The joke doesn’t work sadly because it’s Jazz, not Air Canada.

Flying on behalf of Air Canada, so yes, the joke does work :sarcastic:

Only these things are Air Canada: the crew uniforms, the food, the coffee, the paint on the aircraft, the destinations, and the capacity purchased by Air Canada in the cabin. It’s no more Air Canada than SkyWest is United.


It's an unfortunate side effect of slapping that Maple Leaf on the tail, wether fair or not! Just part of the industry. They still bought their ticket on the AC website.

United has been run under the bus forever now over the Dr. Dao incident, yet it was a Republic plane and Chicago PD and an incident that dominoes from a decision made by Republic.

I flew for a regional before that operated for 2 major airlines and I'll be damned if you made a mistake that looked bad on one of them, you heard about it from the head of your department.
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:31 pm

cschleic wrote:
WNCrew wrote:
barney captain wrote:

No kidding.

I didn't see any indication of smoke, but they performed an emergency evac as opposed to a controlled evac utilizing just the airstairs.


Reminds me of WN 2123 in SNA that evacuated due to an APU fire... no smoke in cabin, no smell, nothing... yet the Pilots initiated an EVAC.


Not 100% certain if your comment is being critical of the SNA situation but I would think a fire anywhere in the aircraft warrants getting out as quickly as possible. Fires can spread. I recall reading once that fire is one of the things that concerns pilots the most because of limited ability to do anything about it.


Thanks for the benefit of the doubt as I was certainly not being critical - none of us were there. It was strictly an observation and as another pointed out, R1 was never opened and it appeared to start as a controlled evac, until one over-wing exit then the other opened.
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:31 pm

outbackair wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Nice to see that they remembered to take their bags with them.


Aviation authorities (eg FAA) need to set up fines of $1000 (or more) per bag bigger than a wallet taken off during evacuation, or find some law where they can be charged for endangering lives. No shortage of evidence as every evacuation is filmed these days.

Every time I see something like this I roll my eyes. Yes, I completely agree that people should leave their luggage onboard, but a fine isn’t stopping anything. You’re evacuating an aircraft that is potentially on fire. You aren’t thinking rationally at that point, you’re thinking about survival.

People are by nature selfish, it isn’t going to change a thing besides making regulators look like monsters for fining “victims”
 
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Re: AC 8839 evacuated at SFO

Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:58 pm

Airontario wrote:
barney captain wrote:
bennett123 wrote:
Nice to see that they remembered to take their bags with them.
No kidding.

I didn't see any indication of smoke, but they performed an emergency evac as opposed to a controlled evac utilizing just the airstairs.
Hard to say until the final report is out. Captain could've called for a delanement using the main door, but maybe someone at the emergency exit misheard or felt unsafe and they opened up one of the over wing exits. Once one is open, others follow and it turns into a full blown evac.

The reason I think this is the case is because the forward service door isn't opened. The forward 2 doors would be the responsibility of the FA, and if they didn't open that service door, I'm thinking a full evac wasn't called by the flight deck.

There was an incident back in 2005 in which a passenger started an evacuation on board a Delta 757 when a tail pip fire occurred on the right engine. Several people were injured in the evacuation, some of which were blown by the jet blast of the engines, which were still running.

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