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Bamboo Airways Plans Munich to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:33 pm
by Ishrion
Today, Bamboo Airways signed an MoU for nonstop service from Munich to both Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City.

Both flights are expected to launch this summer with the 787-9

Hanoi to Munich is expected to operate once-weekly while Ho Chi Minh City will be twice-weekly.

https://vietnambiz.vn/bamboo-airways-ti ... 755608.htm

Re: Bamboo Airways Plans Munich to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 4:38 pm
by N14AZ
Nice. Since VN has more or less a monopoly for VN-Germany they should be able to make some money with these routes.

Re: Bamboo Airways Plans Munich to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:27 pm
by Scotron12
N14AZ wrote:
Nice. Since VN has more or less a monopoly for VN-Germany they should be able to make some money with these routes.


If they survive that long! Im still a bit dubious on their financials. They have already suspended S.Korea which was a big market for them. Im sure it won't be back to normal for a while.

Re: Bamboo Airways Plans Munich to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City

Posted: Mon Mar 02, 2020 8:56 pm
by A330Inter
Scotron12 wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Nice. Since VN has more or less a monopoly for VN-Germany they should be able to make some money with these routes.


If they survive that long! Im still a bit dubious on their financials. They have already suspended S.Korea which was a big market for them. Im sure it won't be back to normal for a while.


Given the Coronavirus outbreak, suspending Korea makes total sense, it will be back online in no-time.

The MUC service would complement well with PRG, I think they should look at a partner in Europe to feed their routes though, it will not be easy to make a name for themselves in the European market, the vietnamese diaspora won't be enough to sustain the EU network

Re: Bamboo Airways Plans Munich to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:14 am
by filipinoavgeek
Bamboo hasn't even been around for a year and they already have way too big plans and want to expand with so many planes. That honestly and frankly sounds like a recipe for disaster, all the more so given that Bamboo is a FSC and not an LCC. If they were a more established name like VN or even VietJet at this point, that rapid expansion wouldn't be as worrying since they're already proven names.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bamboo is already bleeding money at this point and on the road to becoming the next Air Italy, the parallels are actually there.

Re: Bamboo Airways Plans Munich to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 2:41 am
by Antaras
filipinoavgeek wrote:
Bamboo hasn't even been around for a year and they already have way too big plans and want to expand with so many planes. That honestly and frankly sounds like a recipe for disaster, all the more so given that Bamboo is a FSC and not an LCC. If they were a more established name like VN or even VietJet at this point, that rapid expansion wouldn't be as worrying since they're already proven names.

I wouldn't be surprised if Bamboo is already bleeding money at this point and on the road to becoming the next Air Italy, the parallels are actually there.


Bamboo never works as a LCC. Their aircraft are all configured with C-seat [also with W on 789s, Bamboo planned to put F on the future 789s or even the considered-777X, too]. They offer meals and drinks on their flight. Besides that, they planned to get Skytrac 5-star certification in the next few years.

However, as Bamboo is asking CAAV to remove its fleet size limitation, which can save them from over-expansion. Operating 100 airframes, including dozens of widebodies is not a good growth plan. However, I feel lucky for QH and even FLC-its parents group - when QH finally made some profit as well as get a remarkable proportion in Vietnam's aviation market.

With me, launching EU services is a good way for QH to expand its network, as well as testing its profitability on long-haul routes. However, its existence in East Asia as well as SEA is not very strong. With East Asia region, QH has flights to South Korea, Japan and Taiwan but those markets are bleeding due to Covid-19. With SEA region, Bamboo even doesn't have any flight here despite a fact that Vietnam is a SEA country. QH should bring its A320s and A321s to countries such as Singapore, Thailand, Indonesia or Malaysia first.

Hope that Bamboo won't become the next WowAir or Air Italy: died because of over-expansion.

Re: Bamboo Airways Plans Munich to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 3:02 pm
by potter787
Bamboo seems to expand too fast and burn alot of cash through their expansion. Heard that they planned to launch KIX and MEL as well but quite surprised that MUC will be launched first.
I am skeptical about them being profitable, Vietnam's market has been suffering from overcapacity for a couple of years. I believe most "profit" come from sale and leaseback transactions not their operations.

Re: Bamboo Airways Plans Munich to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:01 pm
by Antaras
potter787 wrote:
Bamboo seems to expand too fast and burn alot of cash through their expansion. Heard that they planned to launch KIX and MEL as well but quite surprised that MUC will be launched first.
I am skeptical about them being profitable, Vietnam's market has been suffering from overcapacity for a couple of years. I believe most "profit" come from sale and leaseback transactions not their operations.


As QH doesn't receive anything from their direct orders (10 789s with Boe), I don't think that QH can get anything from that SnLB game.

However, its service is so damn good. I flew with Bamboo twice. Those ex-Primera A321neos were fresh and new, the seats seem acceptable with Asians (at that time QH's A321s were configured C8Y198). The foods were perfect, crews were cute and friendly. I was also impressed by Bamboo's on-time performance (OTP) and its tickets' price. Bamboo has the highest OTP rate of all Vietnamese carriers, about ~93% (quite impressive with a 25-aircraft carrier). About the price, the tickets cost 2/3 as comparisons to QH's main competitor - Vietnam Airlines. There is no big difference between VN's and QH's quality of service, and QH is threatening VN by its cheap tickets.
On the other hand, one of its main weaknesses is entertainment. No IFE-screens installed on their A320 family-aircraft (I heard that Bamboo installed W-IFE on their aircraft [using your devices accessing the library through internal wifi], but not enough to satisfy you). Even the 789s, the IFEs were only enabled on international flights, and LOL the 789s will only serve SGN-HAN-PQC [all domestic flights] until the end of this month when it launches PRG service.

Hope that Bamboo will success. Despite its awesome service, I am worried about its development plans. 50 aircraft this year; $5bn 777X order (alongside the 10 more 789 currently on order); firming up the MoU of 50 A321neo [and 20 more 789, holy cow]; launching PRG, MUC, KIX, MEL and especially LAX or SFO in mid-2021.

Re: Bamboo Airways Plans Munich to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:52 pm
by debonair
Antaras wrote:
On the other hand, one of its main weaknesses is entertainment. No IFE-screens installed on their A320 family-aircraft (I heard that Bamboo installed W-IFE on their aircraft [using your devices accessing the library through internal wifi], but not enough to satisfy you).


Some of the wet-leased a/c Bamboo is flying does have IFE and is used well, e.g. for the safety video.

In my own opinion, given the large Vietnamese diaspora in Eastern Germany, especially in and around Berlin, I can't understand why Berlin was not chosen. And "Worldwide by easyjet" would be a fantastic feeder for this airline in Berlin: https://worldwide.easyjet.com/

Re: Bamboo Airways Plans Munich to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:20 am
by Antaras
debonair wrote:
In my own opinion, given the large Vietnamese diaspora in Eastern Germany, especially in and around Berlin, I can't understand why Berlin was not chosen. And "Worldwide by easyjet" would be a fantastic feeder for this airline in Berlin: https://worldwide.easyjet.com/

I don't understand why Berlin isn't chosen. Vietnam Airlines chooses FRA, Bamboo chooses MUC, somehow the capital of Germany is adopted by Vietnamese carriers.

Re: Bamboo Airways Plans Munich to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 7:05 am
by oceanvikram
Antaras wrote:
debonair wrote:
In my own opinion, given the large Vietnamese diaspora in Eastern Germany, especially in and around Berlin, I can't understand why Berlin was not chosen. And "Worldwide by easyjet" would be a fantastic feeder for this airline in Berlin: https://worldwide.easyjet.com/

I don't understand why Berlin isn't chosen. Vietnam Airlines chooses FRA, Bamboo chooses MUC, somehow the capital of Germany is adopted by Vietnamese carriers.


Have a think about it … is a widebody aircraft flying longhaul with full service and full main cabin during the holiday periods only, be profitable?

That is why many airlines don’t fly destinations based on Visitors Friends Relatives (VFR) market only.

Re: Bamboo Airways Plans Munich to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:03 pm
by potter787
Antaras wrote:

However, its service is so damn good. I flew with Bamboo twice.

Hope that Bamboo will success. Despite its awesome service, I am worried about its development plans. 50 aircraft this year; $5bn 777X order (alongside the 10 more 789 currently on order); firming up the MoU of 50 A321neo [and 20 more 789, holy cow]; launching PRG, MUC, KIX, MEL and especially LAX or SFO in mid-2021.


Their service is awesome and their crew training is so much better than VN.

I have the same worries about their growth plan. While it's easy to get market share in domestic where their brand name is well known. International is a totally different game, especially for a young airline with no partners.

Re: Bamboo Airways Plans Munich to Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City

Posted: Thu Mar 05, 2020 4:28 pm
by TWA302
Scotron12 wrote:
N14AZ wrote:
Nice. Since VN has more or less a monopoly for VN-Germany they should be able to make some money with these routes.


If they survive that long! Im still a bit dubious on their financials. They have already suspended S.Korea which was a big market for them. Im sure it won't be back to normal for a while.


This isn't a financial reaction at all. VN and T'way have suspended these routes as well.
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/regional/2020/02/25/all-flights-from-vietnam-to-south-korea-suspended-amid-covid-19-fears