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LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:17 am
by Byrdluvs747
Simple LAX question.

What is this hole that's been dug next to TBIT? I assumed it was related to the people mover between TBIT and the MFC but it seems too far north.

https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9464387 ... a=!3m1!1e3

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:34 am
by LAXintl
Projects as part of the MSC - tunnels one for passengers, one for utility use. Also bag make up areas and bus port.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:38 am
by SEAflyer97
Baggage sorting facility

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:54 am
by Byrdluvs747
LAXintl wrote:
Projects as part of the MSC - tunnels one for passengers, one for utility use. Also bag make up areas and bus port.


SEAflyer97 wrote:
Baggage sorting facility


Oh ok. That makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up LAXintl and SEAflyer.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 12:57 am
by Adipocere
Good to know. Would be radical if they were putting up carrier-like lifts to have an underground terminal and double up gate space.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:07 am
by questions
It’s been a couple of years since I departed from TBIT. It’s a nice terminal. However the north end was quite drab.

In the google image, what is the aircraft on the taxiway to the left of Lamill Coffee? It’s length looks distorted, however the markings on the taxiway look undistorted.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 1:37 am
by FromCDGtoSYD
questions wrote:
In the google image, what is the aircraft on the taxiway to the left of Lamill Coffee? It’s length looks distorted, however the markings on the taxiway look undistorted.


A322

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 5:39 am
by questions
FromCDGtoSYD wrote:
questions wrote:
In the google image, what is the aircraft on the taxiway to the left of Lamill Coffee? It’s length looks distorted, however the markings on the taxiway look undistorted.


A322


On second look...

Delta... 2L forward of the wing... 12 windows between 1L and 2L... winglets... I’m going with 752.

Also, zooming in, I can now see where the image skips and part of the aircraft is duplicated, therefore creating an elongated aircraft.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:19 am
by gregn21
questions wrote:
FromCDGtoSYD wrote:
questions wrote:
In the google image, what is the aircraft on the taxiway to the left of Lamill Coffee? It’s length looks distorted, however the markings on the taxiway look undistorted.


A322


On second look...

Delta... 2L forward of the wing... 12 windows between 1L and 2L... winglets... I’m going with 752.

Also, zooming in, I can now see where the image skips and part of the aircraft is duplicated, therefore creating an elongated aircraft.


Nope it’s an Airbus

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:45 am
by AAlaxfan
questions wrote:
It’s been a couple of years since I departed from TBIT. It’s a nice terminal. However the north end was quite drab.

In the google image, what is the aircraft on the taxiway to the left of Lamill Coffee? It’s length looks distorted, however the markings on the taxiway look undistorted.

777 or 767

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:47 am
by questions
gregn21 wrote:
questions wrote:
FromCDGtoSYD wrote:

A322


On second look...

Delta... 2L forward of the wing... 12 windows between 1L and 2L... winglets... I’m going with 752.

Also, zooming in, I can now see where the image skips and part of the aircraft is duplicated, therefore creating an elongated aircraft.


Nope it’s an Airbus


Upon further analysis, the cockpit windows suggest it is A321.

Interestingly, there are 12 windows between 1L and 2L on the 752 and 321, however on DL’s “Our Aircraft” page the 321 has 13 windows between 1L and 2L.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:08 am
by Ebmek
FlyThiz wrote:
bravotango75 wrote:
ICBM Missle complex.


I am totally onboard with an ICBM complex of some sort.

In actuality, it’s a makeshift terminal that is attached to TBIT. I’ve been in there once or twice. There is I believe one gate attached. It’s been there for a number of years.


I have actually been wondering for years why that old portion of terminal was attached to the new TBIT. What is it for?

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:35 am
by AAlaxfan
questions wrote:
gregn21 wrote:
questions wrote:

On second look...

Delta... 2L forward of the wing... 12 windows between 1L and 2L... winglets... I’m going with 752.

Also, zooming in, I can now see where the image skips and part of the aircraft is duplicated, therefore creating an elongated aircraft.


Nope it’s an Airbus


Upon further analysis, the cockpit windows suggest it is A321.

Interestingly, there are 12 windows between 1L and 2L on the 752 and 321, however on DL’s “Our Aircraft” page the 321 has 13 windows between 1L and 2L.

Now that I have the right aircraft, it’s an A321 distorted by it’s motion while the satellite was taking the picture. You can see the tail of the aircraft just to the left of the gate 134 apron marking.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:59 am
by gregn21
Ebmek wrote:
I have actually been wondering for years why that old portion of terminal was attached to the new TBIT. What is it for?


All of the concourses on the north side were supposed to be shortened at one point to allow room for the north runways to be spread apart. That never happened and likely never will. For now, the bus gates and exterior baggage handling facility adjacent to the old portion of the terminal are necessary to support the remote gates. The remote gates will (fingers crossed) become obsolete once MSC, T0, and T9 are complete, finally allowing for the full build out of TBIT north. For now, the small old portion of the terminal is actually quite functional, being the only segment of the facility optimized for smaller aircraft.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 4:23 pm
by FSDan
LAXintl wrote:
Projects as part of the MSC - tunnels one for passengers, one for utility use. Also bag make up areas and bus port.


These tunnels have been in the works for at least two years, no? I assume the two gates (131 and 132?) that have been out of commission will finally be back in action sometime this summer?

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 6:56 pm
by NiMar
Is there a tunnel being built from the Delta Terminals to the TBIT and on to the MSC?

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 7:56 pm
by FSDan
NiMar wrote:
Is there a tunnel being built from the Delta Terminals to the TBIT and on to the MSC?


An above-ground connector will be built in a few years as part of DL's Sky Way project, similar to what AA has between T4 and TBIT.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:22 pm
by blacksoviet
FSDan wrote:
NiMar wrote:
Is there a tunnel being built from the Delta Terminals to the TBIT and on to the MSC?


An above-ground connector will be built in a few years as part of DL's Sky Way project, similar to what AA has between T4 and TBIT.

After the connector is built, will Gate 131 still be able to handle widebodies? That gate is already close to the headhouse.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 8:27 pm
by FSDan
blacksoviet wrote:
FSDan wrote:
NiMar wrote:
Is there a tunnel being built from the Delta Terminals to the TBIT and on to the MSC?


An above-ground connector will be built in a few years as part of DL's Sky Way project, similar to what AA has between T4 and TBIT.

After the connector is built, will Gate 131 still be able to handle widebodies? That gate is already close to the headhouse.


Good question. I'm not sure if any actual architectural plans have been released for the connector yet. I suppose depending on where it enters the terminal building, it could affect gate 131.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:13 pm
by NiMar
Ah, ok. Because in the satellite view provided above it looks like a tunnel is being built just north of the TBIT headhouse that goes straight into T3 and all the way out to the MSC. That could give Delta some nice gate access.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 9:52 pm
by blacksoviet
Does the MSC have its own FIS or is there a seperate tunnel for arrivals?

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 10:52 pm
by NiMar
My understanding is that there will be a separated tunnel for international arrivals to access the facility in TBIT.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:13 pm
by gmcc
In related MSC news latest BOAC agenda has Air France looking to sign a lease for a 11500 sq ft lounge in the MSC and to operate flights out of the MSC

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Tue Mar 03, 2020 11:28 pm
by ldvaviation
NiMar wrote:
Ah, ok. Because in the satellite view provided above it looks like a tunnel is being built just north of the TBIT headhouse that goes straight into T3 and all the way out to the MSC. That could give Delta some nice gate access.


What you see there is the "Far East Tunnel." It is a tunnel for bags, not passengers. It ends just west of the taxiway between TBIT and T3.

See page 11 of the most recent project update, https://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer.ph ... a_id=40034

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Wed Mar 04, 2020 4:07 am
by DTWLAX
gmcc wrote:
In related MSC news latest BOAC agenda has Air France looking to sign a lease for a 11500 sq ft lounge in the MSC and to operate flights out of the MSC

With KLM retiring the 747 and AF not planning to fly the A380 for too long, we may see additional flights to AMS and CDG year long by AF/KLM. So probably makes sense to build a lounge considering the KE lounge at TBIT is too small.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:52 am
by cooley21
Not sure if this is the correct spot, but found some additional information regarding the operation of the MSC

https://6ed98d40-571e-436b-afa1-60be3ad ... 574d23.pdf

https://6ed98d40-571e-436b-afa1-60be3ad ... 734546.pdf

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:46 am
by FSDan
cooley21 wrote:
Not sure if this is the correct spot, but found some additional information regarding the operation of the MSC

https://6ed98d40-571e-436b-afa1-60be3ad ... 574d23.pdf

https://6ed98d40-571e-436b-afa1-60be3ad ... 734546.pdf


Thanks for the info! Super interesting! It's cool to see the various circulation patterns mapped out.

It looks like the previous publication that mentioned 15 gates wasn't wrong, with 1 of the 2 ADG-VI and 2 of the 10 ADG-V gates each being able to be split into two ADG-III gates.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:42 pm
by MrPeanut
Have they announced which airlines will operate out of the MSC yet?

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:10 pm
by rjbesikof
SEAflyer97 wrote:
Baggage sorting facility


What is the purpose of the baggage building in front of the bus gates in TBIT?

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2020 11:23 pm
by blacksoviet
Do 757s ever operate out of the International Terminal?

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:14 am
by rbavfan
Ebmek wrote:
FlyThiz wrote:
bravotango75 wrote:
ICBM Missle complex.


I am totally onboard with an ICBM complex of some sort.

In actuality, it’s a makeshift terminal that is attached to TBIT. I’ve been in there once or twice. There is I believe one gate attached. It’s been there for a number of years.


I have actually been wondering for years why that old portion of terminal was attached to the new TBIT. What is it for?


To make Delta happy

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:41 am
by ldvaviation
rjbesikof wrote:
SEAflyer97 wrote:
Baggage sorting facility


What is the purpose of the baggage building in front of the bus gates in TBIT?


Baggage storage.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:22 am
by questions
rbavfan wrote:
Ebmek wrote:
FlyThiz wrote:

I am totally onboard with an ICBM complex of some sort.

In actuality, it’s a makeshift terminal that is attached to TBIT. I’ve been in there once or twice. There is I believe one gate attached. It’s been there for a number of years.


I have actually been wondering for years why that old portion of terminal was attached to the new TBIT. What is it for?


To make Delta happy


Why would DL be happy about that? I would think they would prefer to have use of more modern terminal facilities than that area of TBIT.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:37 am
by rjbesikof
FSDan wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Projects as part of the MSC - tunnels one for passengers, one for utility use. Also bag make up areas and bus port.


These tunnels have been in the works for at least two years, no? I assume the two gates (131 and 132?) that have been out of commission will finally be back in action sometime this summer?


Per this website, 134 will be unavailable soon. Does anyone know why?

https://www.lawa.org/en/news-releases/2 ... elease-017

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:42 am
by blacksoviet
questions wrote:
rbavfan wrote:
Ebmek wrote:

I have actually been wondering for years why that old portion of terminal was attached to the new TBIT. What is it for?


To make Delta happy


Why would DL be happy about that? I would think they would prefer to have use of more modern terminal facilities than that area of TBIT.

They left the old section of the original TBIT because they plan on demolishing it later on when they separate the northern runways. There is no point in extending the new concourse all the way north if there is a chance that a large section of it will have to be demolished in 25 years. The old concourse seems to work fine for three gates.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:44 am
by alasizon
rjbesikof wrote:
FSDan wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Projects as part of the MSC - tunnels one for passengers, one for utility use. Also bag make up areas and bus port.


These tunnels have been in the works for at least two years, no? I assume the two gates (131 and 132?) that have been out of commission will finally be back in action sometime this summer?


Per this website, 134 will be unavailable soon. Does anyone know why?

https://www.lawa.org/en/news-releases/2 ... elease-017


Likely in order to rip up the concrete and do the work for the early bag storage system. The tunnels run underneath 132 and 134.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:51 am
by gregn21
rjbesikof wrote:
What is the purpose of the baggage building in front of the bus gates in TBIT?


I’m not entirely sure but I think it’s primarily used to process baggage for ops at the remote gates. That should make it relatively unnecessary and hopefully obsolete once the MSC and T0/T9 projects are complete. Again, I’m not 100% sure about this, the building might have some functionality beyond this. I’ve also heard rumblings from LAWA brass that the bus facility at TBIT north and the adjacent building you are talking about could be moved to a site just west of MSC to allow for the full completion/expansion of the TBIT concourse.

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:58 am
by blacksoviet
When was the AA hangar south of the MSC built?

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:20 am
by reltney
Been flying to LAX for 30+ years as a pilot......never heard of tbit or mwc..... is this an armchair pilot thing???

Re: LAX: What is this?

Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:33 am
by alasizon
reltney wrote:
Been flying to LAX for 30+ years as a pilot......never heard of tbit or mwc..... is this an armchair pilot thing???


TBIT - Tom Bradley International Terminal
MSC - Midfield Satellite Concourse

Not sure how you haven't heard of TBIT; particularly since that is how the airport refers to it as well.