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Eastern's 757's

Fri Sep 03, 1999 1:32 pm

What airline (or airlines) bought Eastern's 27 757's when the airline went under in 1991? I know that Continental, then a Texas Air sisiter comapny, took some of, if not all, the 32 A 300 B4's, but they did not take the 757's. Could someone also explain the whole Texas Air fiasco to me, how Eastern and CO were related at the time and how Eastern went under, but CO managed to survive two bankrupcies. Also, when did Frank Lorenzo give up control of Continental. Thanks.
 
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RE: Eastern's 757's

Fri Sep 03, 1999 11:43 pm

One of EA's 757's is with NASA. Most of the other 757's are currently with USAirways. As for the history of Texas Air, I won't touch that one, but I will tell you that Lorenzo's connections to CO ended in 1990.
 
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RE: Eastern's 757's

Sat Sep 04, 1999 4:42 am

Hi,

British charter airline Airtours International operates a few of Eastern 757's.

Regards

Craig Stewart
Scotland, UK
 
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RE: Eastern's 757's

Sat Sep 04, 1999 4:52 am

I would definately agree that some 757s are with us airways but the majority are in service with delta who continues to take the remaining 757s out of storage and even out of the desert.
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RE: Eastern's 757's

Sat Sep 04, 1999 7:28 am

One of them is with America West. N907AW is a B757-225.

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RE: Eastern's 757's

Sat Sep 04, 1999 8:13 am

I believe labout 12 of them went to USAir including the lone Eastern 757 I flew on (N512EA). I know a gentleman who flys for USAirways and he flies 757's and 767's. The 757's used over water were all former Eastern planes. He said that they are considered junk by all USAirways people. I don't know why. In 1980, Continental merged with Texas International and continued to operate under the Continental name although the holding company was named Texas Air Corporation. It expanded greatly and purchased People Express, Frontier and New York Air. (New york Air was always a Texas Air subsidiary) All of these carriers were merged into Continental and in 1986, Eastern was purchased by Texas Air. It was decided that Eastern would operate seperately since it was unionized. What really transpired was that many eastern assets were transferred to Continental (A300's, DC10's, the Miami-London route) and Eastern people went on strike. Eastern was eventually stripped of all of its good assets and shut down in early 1991.
 
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RE: Eastern's 757's

Sat Sep 04, 1999 12:22 pm

Here is Eastern 757 Info.
I listed them by Eastern registration first. Then I listed operators in chronological order with current registration.

N501EA 22191/002
EAL > Nasa (N557NA)

N502EA 22192/003
EAL > US Airways (N600AU)

N503EA 22193/004
EAL > Us Airways (N601AU)

N504EA 22194/005
EAL > Airtours (G-JALC)

N505EA 22195/006
EAL > Spanair > Airtours (G-PIDS)

N506EA 22196/007
EAL > US Airways (N602AU)

N507EA 22197/008
EAL > MGM Grand Air > Spanair > Airtours (G-RJGR)

N508EA 22198/012
EAL > US Airways (N603AU)

N509EA 22199/017
EAL > US Airways (N604AU)

N510EA 22200/020
EAL > Airtours (G-MCEA)

N511EA 22201/021
EAL > US Airways (N605AU)

N512EA 22202/022
EAL > US Airways (N606AU)

N513EA 22203/026
EAL > US Airways (N607AU)

N514EA 22204/027
EAL > US Airways (N608AU)

N515EA 22205/028
EAL > US Airways (N609AU)

N516EA 22206/031
EAL > Nationair > Caribbean Airways > Birgenair (TC-GEN) [CRASHED]

N517EA 22207/035
EAL > America West (N913AW)

N518EA 22208/038
EAL > America West (N914AW)

N519EA 22209/040
EAL > Birgenair > America West (N915AW)

N520EA 22210/042
EAL > US Airways (N618AU)

N521EA 22211/074
EAL > Air 2000 (G-OOOV)

N522EA 22611/075
EAL > Air 2000 (G-OOOW)

N523EA 22612/114
EAL > Air 2000 > Britannia Airways (SE-DUN)

N524EA 22688/115
EAL > LTE > LTU Süd > LTU (D-AMUU)

N525EA 22689/117
EAL > LTE > LTU Süd > LTU (D-AMUK)

N526EA 22690/151
[Not Taken Up] > Fuerza Aerea Mexicana (TP-01)

[no eastern reg.] 22691/155
[Not Taken Up] > Taesa > America West (N907AW)
 
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RE: Eastern's 757's

Sat Sep 04, 1999 5:13 pm

Thanks for the info 24291. I assume that the rest of US's 757's are new-builds for that airline. And why would US use the Eastern 757's on overwater routes? These aircraft are too old to be ETOPS aircraft.
 
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RE: Eastern's Overwater 757's

Sun Sep 05, 1999 3:46 am

I don't know why US uses them over the water. They are specifically used on the caribbean routes. I can't speak for all 757's, but I know N512EA (now N606AU) had life rafts stored above the center lavatory sections. Also, the life jackets were stored in the overhead where the oxygen is. Are all 757's this way?
 
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RE: Eastern's Overwater 757's

Sun Sep 05, 1999 4:14 am

United's (and almost everyone else's) 757's have the life rafts (additional ones) stored in the ceiling (aisle) near the last few rows. The inflatable life jackets are located in sealed pouches under each seat.

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RE: Eastern's 757's

Sun Sep 05, 1999 12:15 pm

>I would definately agree that some 757s are with us airways but the majority are in service with delta who continues to take the remaining 757s out of storage and even out of the desert.

Not true. Delta has PW engines on their B757s, whereas Eastern had Rolls power. Delta has never had any of them. At least 10 went to US Airways, others went to random carriers, including America West.

Eastern was majority owned by Texas Air after 1986. Between them the Eastern unions and Lorenzo ripped the airline to shreds.

The National Mediation Board may deserve most of the blame, by forcing the union and Lorenzo to negotiate when it was clear they just wanted to destroy each other. Strangely enough, this forced mediation delayed the showdown until after the 1988 presidential campaign, probably not coincidentally.

Eastern and Continental shared some backoffice facilities as sister airlines controlled by Lorenzo. The last remaining legacy of Eastern at Continental may be "OnePass", Continental's FF program, which was originally shared with Eastern. There are also a few ex-Eastern pilots at CO.

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RE: RNA

Mon Sep 06, 1999 11:23 am

Actually as a delta mechanic we have two or thrre. You will see them sitting near the painting hangar in eastern colors and later they willroll out in deltas colors..... okay maybe not the majority....but we have some. They are special cases and two till our own are delivered from boeing.
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RE: AirT85

Mon Sep 06, 1999 1:56 pm

AirT85:

I'm having a little trouble understanding you. Could you please give us a registration/serial number so we can determine specifically what aircraft you are talking about? If I'm understanding you correctly, you're a Delta mechanic, so that shouldn't be too much to ask. I thought I had accounted for all ex-Eastern 757s, so I don't know which aircraft you're talking about, especially since all Delta 757s use Pratt power.

Thanks,
24291
 
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RE: AirT85

Mon Sep 06, 1999 3:19 pm

To add to the differences list: Eastern had the 'jet escapes' aft of the wing, wheres DL has window exits...

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RE: 24291

Mon Sep 06, 1999 11:54 pm

Sorry bout the mis information 24291...i looked over the info and we have one on lease from America West until september 10th when we recieve some more 757s from Boeing...sorry....i was using outdated information. I know a few years ago we leased one or two also....sorry
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RE: Eastern's 757's

Tue Sep 07, 1999 3:01 am

Regarding the Eastern, Continental and Lorenzo question, there's a great book available called "Hard Landing" by Thomas Petzinger. It was recomended to me and I ordered it from www.bn.com. I'm sure Amazon.com would have it as well. It's full of all the info you would want focusing most of the time on the de-regulation era and what happened to Eastern & Braniff, how American destroyed PeoplExpress, etc. It's written like a novel so it's fun, informative and easy to read. I have no affiliation with the publisher or the author. I just loved the book and strongly recommend it to others interested in the rise and, in some cases, fall of the airline industry.
 
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America West 757 On Lease To Delta?

Tue Sep 07, 1999 3:12 am

AirT85 or anyone else who would know:

I had not heard that an America West 757 was on lease to Delta. I'd like some details. Which aircraft is it? Is it operated by an HP crew? I find this very interesting.
 
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RE: America West 757 On Lease To Delta?

Tue Sep 07, 1999 3:31 am

The plane is only here till friday. it is in delta crew operation. my boss told me, im on vacation, that it is short term and thats all the info i got....sorry! ill try to get more on friday when i go back..
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RE: America West 757 On Lease To Delta?/AirT85

Thu Sep 09, 1999 10:26 pm

AirT85,

Where do you work? I'm in ATL at the TOC. I'd like to talk about this whole issue, because I'm not aware that we had leased this aircraft, and I'm interested in hearding the details.

-jim
 
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RE: Jim

Fri Sep 10, 1999 7:54 am

Hi JIm....i also work in atlanta and my boss said we had it till tomorrow....thats all she said so. email me and well talk...okay?
-AirT85
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