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Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:42 pm

After Flybe collapse, just found out that Danish Great Dane just took some of their E195 and the rest may have ended up with Stobart Air. What about their Q400 and E175? Anyone can guess or know where will they end up next?
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:59 pm

I wonder if Porter would like some of their Q400s, maybe Air Canada?
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:04 pm

The lessor to park them. In the current environment it is very unlikely that any airline will take additional capacity into its fleet. Rather reverse: they will try to do their utmost to shrink fleets to expected mid- and long-term demands.

Will be a tough year for wet-lease operators.
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:10 pm

I didn't realize how many Q400's they had, wow.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:16 pm

Does the OP know how many of what type(s) are owned and unencumbered, thus available for immediate sale by the administrator? It may take a while to sort out encumbered assets. Leased planes... who knows. That depends on how many of what type held by each lease firm.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:25 pm

Flying-Tiger wrote:
The lessor to park them. In the current environment it is very unlikely that any airline will take additional capacity into its fleet. Rather reverse: they will try to do their utmost to shrink fleets to expected mid- and long-term demands.

Will be a tough year for wet-lease operators.


What do you mean shrink fleet to mid to long term, in 3 months people will have forgotten about the corona virus.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:40 pm

G-PRPH is on the deck at LHR, probably racking up a hefty bill for the people who are required to pay for it.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:51 pm

MCTSET wrote:
Flying-Tiger wrote:
The lessor to park them. In the current environment it is very unlikely that any airline will take additional capacity into its fleet. Rather reverse: they will try to do their utmost to shrink fleets to expected mid- and long-term demands.

Will be a tough year for wet-lease operators.


What do you mean shrink fleet to mid to long term, in 3 months people will have forgotten about the corona virus.


The big boys have adjusted their flying aka cancelled into April and May at least, and every day passing with increasing numbers the drop increases. Even if recovery comes by say May traffic won´t be back to known levels but rather creeping up step by step. I cannot imagine that all capacity in the market in December / January pre-corona will be back all of a sudden. Demand will simply not be there.

Plus with all the "close-down-the-hatches" sentiment around in many countries I fear that the northern summer holiday season is mostly gone already now with drastically reduced booking numbers all around. Out of fear people will rather stay at home and plan on short notice than to plan long in advance if they have the chance.

To put it in other words: many carrier around will be thankful that they don´t have 737MAXes to fill and do not need to hunt for ACMI capacity as last year. This year will be all around very tough capacity and cost management, but not growth. Survival mode is it, nothing else.
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:56 am

Air Canada Jazz should take some to replace their horrible 100-300’s
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:26 am

SQ789 wrote:
After Flybe collapse, just found out that Danish Great Dane just took some of their E195 and the rest may have ended up with Stobart Air. What about their Q400 and E175? Anyone can guess or know where will they end up next?


Great Dane and Stobart took those E195 long before Flybe went under. Flybe wanted rid of those E195 for a long long time.

In the end, it was just the E175 and DH8 in service with flybe itself, with Blue Islands, Eastern and Stobart (then franchise partners) operating other types such as ATR, E170 and E195.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:05 am

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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:24 am

AC853 wrote:
Air Canada Jazz should take some to replace their horrible 100-300’s


You do realize that Chorus Aviation is the parent company of Jazz and had leased ATRs and Q400s to Flybe right?

And I'm not entirely sure a Q400 is a logical choice to replace the 100-300s as its a big jump in capacity.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:58 am

Saw one ERJ195 at Exeter yesterday.

In Great Dane c/s but still reg as G-FBEK.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:23 am

AC853 wrote:
Air Canada Jazz should take some to replace their horrible 100-300’s


Classics are great in their market and that's why they're still flying them. 400 is too big.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:30 am

Just checked CAA website, G-FBEK is still registered to Flybe.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 2:41 pm

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Just checked CAA website, G-FBEK is still registered to Flybe.

This aircraft will be solded to Great Dane as found here.

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... ybe/rzw0l9
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:43 pm

"Great Dane"? LMAO
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 3:44 pm

AC853 wrote:
Air Canada Jazz should take some to replace their horrible 100-300’s


-400s are no better than 100s or 300s .. they're just longer and with more unhappy people on board.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:08 pm

F27500 wrote:
"Great Dane"? LMAO

It’s not that funny
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:27 pm

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"Great Dane"? LMAO

First thing I thought of when I saw Great Dane was the trailer manufacturer.
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:51 pm

eicvd wrote:
F27500 wrote:
"Great Dane"? LMAO

It’s not that funny


For the name of an airline it is !
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:02 pm

F27500 wrote:
eicvd wrote:
F27500 wrote:
"Great Dane"? LMAO

It’s not that funny


For the name of an airline it is !

Id be surprised if they see it through the year too.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 7:59 pm

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AC853 wrote:
Air Canada Jazz should take some to replace their horrible 100-300’s


You do realize that Chorus Aviation is the parent company of Jazz and had leased ATRs and Q400s to Flybe right?

And I'm not entirely sure a Q400 is a logical choice to replace the 100-300s as its a big jump in capacity.


Chorus owns 3 of the ATR 72-600s and 5 of the Q400s. However any change in the CPA with AC would need agreement from both AC and QK.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:27 pm

Sarahoutamon wrote:
crosscheckyyz wrote:
AC853 wrote:
Air Canada Jazz should take some to replace their horrible 100-300’s


You do realize that Chorus Aviation is the parent company of Jazz and had leased ATRs and Q400s to Flybe right?

And I'm not entirely sure a Q400 is a logical choice to replace the 100-300s as its a big jump in capacity.


Chorus owns 3 of the ATR 72-600s and 5 of the Q400s. However any change in the CPA with AC would need agreement from both AC and QK.


Having looked at the Jazz fleet plan through until 2025, it seems the intent is to reduce the amount of Q400s and increase the CR9 fleet. AC commitment to Jazz post 2025 is for 80 aircraft with seating capacity of 76-78. Jazz is still expected to take another 9 new CRJ9s, likely some the the last before the production line is shut down. I believe the AC pilot scope limit is for 60 jets with 76 seating capacity. Sky Regional operates 25 E175s for AC so that would be 60 including the 35 CR9s. If post 2025 AC sticks to the 80 aircraft commitment, that only leaves room for 35 Q400s, currently there are 44. I don't see any Flybe Q400s making their way to Jazz. The DH3s will soldier on until 2025, then all bets are off.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:25 pm

NAC the Leasor for 18 of FlyBE's q400 planes says there has been great interest in the planes and expects to sign leasees very soon.
I don't know if they need to talk up their prospects or telling the truth. Maybe it is the benefit of their backers.
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:34 am

F27500 wrote:
eicvd wrote:
F27500 wrote:
"Great Dane"? LMAO

It’s not that funny


For the name of an airline it is !


For the name of a Danish airline it's fine. I know Americans are not noted for the subtleties of irony...
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:36 am

Sarahoutamon wrote:
crosscheckyyz wrote:
AC853 wrote:
Air Canada Jazz should take some to replace their horrible 100-300’s


You do realize that Chorus Aviation is the parent company of Jazz and had leased ATRs and Q400s to Flybe right?

And I'm not entirely sure a Q400 is a logical choice to replace the 100-300s as its a big jump in capacity.


Chorus owns 3 of the ATR 72-600s and 5 of the Q400s. However any change in the CPA with AC would need agreement from both AC and QK.


Loganair have already leased two of the ATR-72's. I saw some numbers being bandied about the other day suggesting Flybe "fully owned" something like 27 or so Q400's. No idea if that's correct or not ?
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:42 am

JannEejit wrote:
F27500 wrote:
eicvd wrote:
It’s not that funny


For the name of an airline it is !


For the name of a Danish airline it's fine. I know Americans are not noted for the subtleties of irony...


That's "subtle"? !
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:02 am

If the various owners distribute those Q400s to other operators quickly then that will be a vote of confidence in the plane.
It might seem counter-intuitive but those planes coming on to the market increasing supply but being snapped up will show that the Q400 is a highly liquid asset and De Havilland will be happy.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:49 am

F27500 wrote:
JannEejit wrote:
F27500 wrote:

For the name of an airline it is !


For the name of a Danish airline it's fine. I know Americans are not noted for the subtleties of irony...


That's "subtle"? !


No it's "ironic" . But let's not drift off topic again.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:51 am

leghorn wrote:
If the various owners distribute those Q400s to other operators quickly then that will be a vote of confidence in the plane.
It might seem counter-intuitive but those planes coming on to the market increasing supply but being snapped up will show that the Q400 is a highly liquid asset and De Havilland will be happy.


Hasn't Viking assumed control of the Q400 legacy from Bombardier now ? Did they take over the plant as well ?
 
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Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:13 am

JannEejit wrote:
F27500 wrote:
JannEejit wrote:

For the name of a Danish airline it's fine. I know Americans are not noted for the subtleties of irony...


That's "subtle"? !


No it's "ironic" . But let's not drift off topic again.


Its not ironic either, its just dumb. Would you expect to see an airline called "German Shepard? Or "French Poodle"? Those would be dumb names, right? Or would you (with your non-American sensibilities) consider those "ironic" too?
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:42 am

Looking at Planespotters, the ownership status:

5 DH8D: Jazz (Chorus)
18 DH8D: Nordic Aviation Capital
11 DH8D: HEH Aviation
2 E175s: HEH Aviation
1 E195: Falko (already slated to leave the fleet)

That leaves 20 DH8Ds and 7 E175s as property of the airline. Whether or not they can be used for a new airline is up in the air. When bmi was closed, the fleet of bmi was allocated to other subsidiaries...and it's possible that the remaining owned planes are now Stobart Air property (along with 3 previous E195s that Flybe used to operate and are now leased to Great Dane).

As for the Chorus-owned frames, they can't just be added back to the Jazz fleet as Chorus just adopted a new agreement that will replace turboprops with CRJs (9 direct orders and 5 leased from SkyWest). Chorus has its own DH8Ds that are being put up for lease. I could see some ending up with Wideroe though for Scandinavian regional travel.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:56 am

Going to UA maybe?
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:41 am

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Going to UA maybe?


UA is done with propeller aircraft (as are AA and DL). Don't expect a U.S. major besides AS to be flying Dash-8s any time soon...
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Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:07 am

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Going to UA maybe?


UA is done with propeller aircraft (as are AA and DL). Don't expect a U.S. major besides AS to be flying Dash-8s any time soon...

I think that YX can be interested in buying their E175. Most other regional airlines operated the E175 with extend Wiglets. BE does not and YX have fewer E175 without Extend winglets.
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Sat Mar 07, 2020 10:33 am

JannEejit wrote:
leghorn wrote:
If the various owners distribute those Q400s to other operators quickly then that will be a vote of confidence in the plane.
It might seem counter-intuitive but those planes coming on to the market increasing supply but being snapped up will show that the Q400 is a highly liquid asset and De Havilland will be happy.


Hasn't Viking assumed control of the Q400 legacy from Bombardier now ? Did they take over the plant as well ?

De Havilland will be happy if the market perceives old versions of the new plane they offer for sale as being desirable.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Sat Mar 07, 2020 12:07 pm

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F27500 wrote:
Now

That's "subtle"? !


No it's "ironic" . But let's not drift off topic again.


Its not ironic either, its just dumb. Would you expect to see an airline called "German Shepard? Or "French Poodle"? Those would be dumb names, right? Or would you (with your non-American sensibilities) consider those "ironic" too?


My comment was an observation, not a criticism. Your continued assertion that a chosen airline name is "dumb" or "stupid" proves my argument. As for the name 'Great Dane' you simply do not 'get it' and still don't. Further demonstrating the classic and often discussed variations in humour, satire and indeed irony on either sides of the pond. Now, can we move along and stick with the subject in hand please ?
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Sat Mar 07, 2020 1:18 pm

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Air Canada Jazz should take some to replace their horrible 100-300’s

I like flying on the Dash-8 100/200/300 and 400. Nothing wrong with those aircraft types. Though I must admit I am an aviation enthusiast. As I expect most people using this website are.
 
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Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:18 pm

PRPH at LHR today.

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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:57 am

What about WestJet for some of those Qs? Their regional network is still nothing to rwite home about on the East Coast, and the Qs may help them get into markets where they are weak and grow into mainline jets.
Also look at Horizon for shorter-term leases for MAX outage, and SpiceJet for UDAN routes. They're adding a ton of them right now, with plans to be over 50 (which would put them as the largest operators IIRC)
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Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:08 am

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Also look at Horizon for shorter-term leases for MAX outage...


Horizon has taken 62 E175s since its last new Q400, and has had intermittent difficulties staffing the Qs. I don't see short-terms leases in their future.
 
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Also look at Horizon for shorter-term leases for MAX outage...


Horizon has taken 62 E175s since its last new Q400, and has had intermittent difficulties staffing the Qs. I don't see short-terms leases in their future.


QX only has 30 E175s, not 62 but other than that the point is valid.
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Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:04 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
ahj2000 wrote:

Also look at Horizon for shorter-term leases for MAX outage...


Horizon has taken 62 E175s since its last new Q400, and has had intermittent difficulties staffing the Qs. I don't see short-terms leases in their future.


Alaska has 62 E175s 30 at OO and 32 at QX. Fixed it for you.
 
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Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:40 am

MartijnNL wrote:
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Air Canada Jazz should take some to replace their horrible 100-300’s

I like flying on the Dash-8 100/200/300 and 400. Nothing wrong with those aircraft types. Though I must admit I am an aviation enthusiast. As I expect most people using this website are.

My only complaint is the curvature of the fuselage on the Q leaves no room for your leg (next to the wall) on the window seats. Other than that it's a fine ride. In the US, the general population's aversion to a prop is irrational, but I guess we're spoiled.
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:22 am

Aren't they supposed to sell the assets to refund their customers who booked tickets?
 
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Re: Status of former Flybe planes after collapse

Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:46 am

JannEejit wrote:
F27500 wrote:
JannEejit wrote:

No it's "ironic" . But let's not drift off topic again.


Its not ironic either, its just dumb. Would you expect to see an airline called "German Shepard? Or "French Poodle"? Those would be dumb names, right? Or would you (with your non-American sensibilities) consider those "ironic" too?


My comment was an observation, not a criticism. Your continued assertion that a chosen airline name is "dumb" or "stupid" proves my argument. As for the name 'Great Dane' you simply do not 'get it' and still don't. Further demonstrating the classic and often discussed variations in humour, satire and indeed irony on either sides of the pond. Now, can we move along and stick with the subject in hand please ?


It's quite funny to watch this part of the thread pan out, so please do carry on. It's interesting that the (even partially) clever use of the name Great Dane has been compared to either German Shepherd or French Poodle.

FlyerA: My airline is both great and Danish and they called it Great Dane, which also happens to be a breed of dog.

FlyerB: Well my airline is called French Poodle, so I guess it is French and the FAs hair must be short and curly. At least some of it.

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