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southwest1675 wrote:Spirit or Alaska.
joeblow10 wrote:Confirmed it’s AS - it’s bookable on their website. 1x daily on the 738, trying to find a start date... but I’m seeing it in August
tphuang wrote:not surprising it's AS, but they normally don't make announcement on Fridays, so this is a little strange.
MEMFLY wrote:tphuang wrote:not surprising it's AS, but they normally don't make announcement on Fridays, so this is a little strange.
It's a response to DL's DFW-SEA/CMH that was announced earlier this week.
kavok wrote:Alaska’s new flight is listed as daytime (not a red eye) on a 737.
Dep. SEA 9:15, Arr. CVG 16:37
Dep. CVG 17:45, Arr. SEA 19:45
Delta’s lone SEA-CVG flight is currently a red-eye return leaving 22:25 from SEA with a 6:05 departure from CVG. Obviously the AS flight times are much more preferable for business travelers. It will be curious to see what DL does, and whether they maintain the opportunistic red eye, or change their CVG-SEA timing now that they have competition.
tphuang wrote:I would be surprised if DL doesn't go double daily here.
kavok wrote:tphuang wrote:I would be surprised if DL doesn't go double daily here.
Based on past practice elsewhere, if DL decides to match AS schedule wise, they will do it by adding a second “daily” CVG-SEA flight for the summer 2020 with a flight schedule similar to AS new route. DL would still keep the existing opportunistic SEA-CVG red-eye through this summer, and then in Sept/Oct drop the red eye and maintain just the daytime flight in the winter to compete.
The winter then provides DL an opportunity to assess whether a second flight is worth it for summer 2021, and if not, they just keep the daytime flight going and the DL red eye disappears permanently after Fall 2020. So I definitely think DL will respond with a second daytime CVG-SEA flight for summer 2020. But whether DL maintains 2x daily beyond October and in Summer 2021 is very questionable I believe.
MIflyer12 wrote:kavok wrote:tphuang wrote:I would be surprised if DL doesn't go double daily here.
Based on past practice elsewhere, if DL decides to match AS schedule wise, they will do it by adding a second “daily” CVG-SEA flight for the summer 2020 with a flight schedule similar to AS new route. DL would still keep the existing opportunistic SEA-CVG red-eye through this summer, and then in Sept/Oct drop the red eye and maintain just the daytime flight in the winter to compete.
The winter then provides DL an opportunity to assess whether a second flight is worth it for summer 2021, and if not, they just keep the daytime flight going and the DL red eye disappears permanently after Fall 2020. So I definitely think DL will respond with a second daytime CVG-SEA flight for summer 2020. But whether DL maintains 2x daily beyond October and in Summer 2021 is very questionable I believe.
That scenario sounds pretty likely. There's lots of seasonality to the PNW; winter is tough.
Let's see if AS CVG-SEA lasts longer than its DTW-PDX did.
kavok wrote:Alaska’s new flight is listed as daytime (not a red eye) on a 737.
Dep. SEA 9:15, Arr. CVG 16:37
Dep. CVG 17:45, Arr. SEA 19:45
Delta’s lone SEA-CVG flight is currently a red-eye return leaving 22:25 from SEA with a 6:05 departure from CVG. Obviously the AS flight times are much more preferable for business travelers. It will be curious to see what DL does, and whether they maintain the opportunistic red eye, or change their CVG-SEA timing now that they have competition.
onwFan wrote:In Alaska’s news announcement, they say “Seattle is also a gateway to Asia with nonstop flights on our Global Partners to Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore”. Less love for Seoul & Korean Air?
Ishrion wrote:onwFan wrote:In Alaska’s news announcement, they say “Seattle is also a gateway to Asia with nonstop flights on our Global Partners to Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore”. Less love for Seoul & Korean Air?
What about their new partner to India
onwFan wrote:Who wouldn't want to fly CMH-SEA-ICN now?In Alaska’s news announcement, they say “Seattle is also a gateway to Asia with nonstop flights on our Global Partners to Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore”. Less love for Seoul & Korean Air?
Byrdluvs747 wrote:So can we expect AS to complete the Ohio trifecta and add CLE at some point?
tphuang wrote:not surprising it's AS, but they normally don't make announcement on Fridays, so this is a little strange.
enilria wrote:The whole industry is in meltdown, but AS found the time to retaliate against DL for SEA-CMH. (eye roll)
enilria wrote:The whole industry is in meltdown, but AS found the time to retaliate against DL for SEA-CMH. (eye roll)
enilria wrote:The whole industry is in meltdown, but AS found the time to retaliate against DL for SEA-CMH. (eye roll)
gmcc wrote:enilria wrote:The whole industry is in meltdown, but AS found the time to retaliate against DL for SEA-CMH. (eye roll)
Added seat count to SEA to keep DL from getting more gates , that is the game AS must play given how SEA assigns gates. Going forward ever domestic DL add will probably see an add from AS. Hard to grow a hub when you can't get gates.
psa1011 wrote:UA couldn't make this work from SFO, does Seattle have some better ties to Cincinnati?
gmcc wrote:enilria wrote:The whole industry is in meltdown, but AS found the time to retaliate against DL for SEA-CMH. (eye roll)
Added seat count to SEA to keep DL from getting more gates , that is the game AS must play given how SEA assigns gates. Going forward ever domestic DL add will probably see an add from AS. Hard to grow a hub when you can't get gates.
Ishrion wrote:onwFan wrote:In Alaska’s news announcement, they say “Seattle is also a gateway to Asia with nonstop flights on our Global Partners to Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore”. Less love for Seoul & Korean Air?
What about their new partner to India
Midwestindy wrote:MIflyer12 wrote:kavok wrote:
Based on past practice elsewhere, if DL decides to match AS schedule wise, they will do it by adding a second “daily” CVG-SEA flight for the summer 2020 with a flight schedule similar to AS new route. DL would still keep the existing opportunistic SEA-CVG red-eye through this summer, and then in Sept/Oct drop the red eye and maintain just the daytime flight in the winter to compete.
The winter then provides DL an opportunity to assess whether a second flight is worth it for summer 2021, and if not, they just keep the daytime flight going and the DL red eye disappears permanently after Fall 2020. So I definitely think DL will respond with a second daytime CVG-SEA flight for summer 2020. But whether DL maintains 2x daily beyond October and in Summer 2021 is very questionable I believe.
That scenario sounds pretty likely. There's lots of seasonality to the PNW; winter is tough.
Let's see if AS CVG-SEA lasts longer than its DTW-PDX did.
Funny thing is DL doesn't even run CVG-SEA daily most of the year, November through April it is 4-5x weekly. Should be interesting to see what DL does....
airlinewatcher1 wrote:UA CVG-SFO was short lived, with competition on that route with DL. I hope AS SEA-CVG proves more successful.
wedgetail737 wrote:gmcc wrote:enilria wrote:The whole industry is in meltdown, but AS found the time to retaliate against DL for SEA-CMH. (eye roll)
Added seat count to SEA to keep DL from getting more gates , that is the game AS must play given how SEA assigns gates. Going forward ever domestic DL add will probably see an add from AS. Hard to grow a hub when you can't get gates.
For the most part, DL and AS are on opposite ends of the airport.
gmcc wrote:Added seat count to SEA to keep DL from getting more gates , that is the game AS must play given how SEA assigns gates.
DBCoop3r wrote:psa1011 wrote:UA couldn't make this work from SFO, does Seattle have some better ties to Cincinnati?
I hear there's a company called GE in Cincinnati and a company called Boeing in Seattle. I wonder if they ever do business together?
DBCoop3r wrote:psa1011 wrote:UA couldn't make this work from SFO, does Seattle have some better ties to Cincinnati?
I hear there's a company called GE in Cincinnati and a company called Boeing in Seattle. I wonder if they ever do business together?
airlinewatcher1 wrote:UA CVG-SFO was short lived, with competition on that route with DL.
ncflyer wrote:[code][/code]DBCoop3r wrote:psa1011 wrote:UA couldn't make this work from SFO, does Seattle have some better ties to Cincinnati?
I hear there's a company called GE in Cincinnati and a company called Boeing in Seattle. I wonder if they ever do business together?
How many people a day do you think travel between these two companies?? Dozens? Scores? A few? I’m curious I have no idea.