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Re: Air New Zealand Sells London Heathrow Airport Slot For $27 Million

Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:55 am

Antarius wrote:
I don't think QF is doing it for ego purposes. Every report has indicated that LHR-PER has exceeded expectations. SYD is a major business center, so there is a case to be made.


I was under the impression that the QF flight originated in Melbourne, and flies to Perth. At Perth new passengers embark to LHR.

Given that there already is a nonstop Perth to London, could QF have a B787-9 that flies from SYD to PER, but no one can embark or disembark, it is a pure refueling stop before flying on to LHR. Would such a flight compete favorably on time with a nonstop SYD-LHR?

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That said, AKL is not SYD and it is a lot further. So what makes sense for QF may not for NZ.

For starters, Auckland has a smaller population than Perth. I am sure they are better off with 8 nonstops to the Americas.

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Re: Air New Zealand Sells London Heathrow Airport Slot For $27 Million

Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:20 am

330lover wrote:
anstar wrote:
GoldenState787 wrote:

Wow, even when it already has 6 daily flights, all on A380s? Not to mention 3 daily A380 flights to LGW? Never knew demand between LHR and DXB would be THAT massive.


Well given they fly 9 x A380's to London every day that in itself says there is demand doesn't it?


No. Not necessarily. EK has so much 380's that they have no other choice than send them somewhere.
And yes, LON is a big market, airlines like EK will always send their 380's on status routes. Even if a B777 (or others) would perfectly do the job, they still would send the A380, just for their image.


I wouldn't be so sure. London to Dubai is a very large O&D market in addition to the multitude of connections that EK offer over DXB. BA fly LHR-DXB 3x daily, and LHR-DXB is one of the only routes in the entire EK network (I suspect it's the only one but can't be bothered to trawl through EK schedules to verify this) that has flights that are not optimised for one of their three banks. That is largely dictated by LHR slots, but the market can absorb an A380 running almost entirely on O&D. For them to be running 11 daily flights to London, plus 3 on BA, should give you an idea of how large the market is. It really is a bit of an outlier in Emirates' network.
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Re: Air New Zealand Sells London Heathrow Airport Slot For $27 Million

Sun Mar 08, 2020 6:34 pm

Looks like we have a winner..

According to this instgram page - https://www.instagram.com/p/B9ezlG7hM06 ... hqv2gpd1dm

zul_aviation has reported that Oman Air have brought the new slots from Air New Zealand. I guess Oman Air always wanted to increase more flights from LHR. If this is true the total flights will increase from 14 to 21 weekly flights.
 
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Re: Air New Zealand Sells London Heathrow Airport Slot For $27 Million

Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:44 pm

LHR01 wrote:
Looks like we have a winner..

According to this instgram page - https://www.instagram.com/p/B9ezlG7hM06 ... hqv2gpd1dm

zul_aviation has reported that Oman Air have brought the new slots from Air New Zealand. I guess Oman Air always wanted to increase more flights from LHR. If this is true the total flights will increase from 14 to 21 weekly flights.


Ha! Weren't they also the ones that shelled out $72 Million for the most expensive slot ever sold at London?

So, so far they have shelled out $ X million + $72 million + $27 M for their thrice a day slots.

Thanks for sharing the news.
 
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Re: Air New Zealand Sells London Heathrow Airport Slot For $27 Million

Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:15 pm

Oman Air making smart moves eh?!
 
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Re: Air New Zealand Sells London Heathrow Airport Slot For $27 Million

Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:37 pm

Andy33 wrote:
raylee67 wrote:
PatrickZ80 wrote:

As far as I know those slots are reserved for certain routes. The type of aircraft is irrelevant, but it's just done to prevent any airline from getting a monopoly on a route. If that's the case and it's a busy and profitable route some slots are to be given up to the competition. Such slots cannot easily be used for other destinations.

This is rather common. Any airline wants to get slots at Amsterdam for example? You can just get them, they're available. Only condition is that they're being used for flights to Birmingham, they cannot be used for flights to other destinations. These were in fact KLM slots, but since it was decided the Amsterdam - Birmingham route needed competition they were to give them up. So far no airline has reported for those slots, even EasyJet doesn't want them and they're very keen on Amsterdam slots.


If these restricted FlyBE slots are reverted to BA, can BA use these slots for their originally intended destinations (e.g. Aberdeen, Birmingham, Edinburgh, etc.) for their own flights, and switch their current slots used for their own flights to those destinations to serve the more lucrative routes? e.g. let's say if there is a FlyBE slot to fly to Aberdeen at 10am, and BA has currently a flight to Aberdeen at 10:15 anyway with BA slot, can BA switch that 10:15 flight to the 10am slot (changing the schedule slightly) and then use the original 10:15 slot, say for a new daily flight to San Francisco (just picking a random destination as example here, I am not saying BA should fly an additional daily to SFO)?

Certainly they can, but they don't need to. BA actually own these remedy slots and can use them for whatever they like. The but (and it is a big but) is that if any airline comes along with the right route authorities and wants slots to operate flights to one or more of the six destinations specified in the competition ruling, BA has to release them again. There are a limited number of slots designated as remedy slots, the deal isn't open ended. Now I mention route authorities because some of the routes are UK domestics (which especially after 31 December may be only available to UK registered airlines), and others, such as Moscow are restricted by bilaterals which allow only UK registered airlines (or Russian ones) and only two from each country.
If the slots are claimed by another eligible airline and they successfully operate them for at least 80% of the time through 6 consecutive IATA seasons (so three years), they will transfer to that airline outright and can be used to any European destination rather than just the six specified ones. Flybe has collapsed short of the three years. It remains to be seen if there are any loopholes that allow the administrators to sell the slots anyway, but even if these exist, they are Europe/domestic only slots in perpetuity for anyone other than BA.


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