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Continental 747's and EWR

Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:27 pm

Hi - I read that Continental stopped using their 747's in 1978ish. But then, they appear again in the late 80s. Did they buy / lease them again, or obtain them from a merger?
Does anyone know what routes the 747 flew from EWR? I'm assuming London Gatwick but were there others? :)
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Fri Mar 06, 2020 9:32 pm

Didn't they get a bunch from People Express?
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:11 pm

mikwalen409 wrote:
Hi - I read that Continental stopped using their 747's in 1978ish. But then, they appear again in the late 80s. Did they buy / lease them again, or obtain them from a merger?
Does anyone know what routes the 747 flew from EWR? I'm assuming London Gatwick but were there others? :)


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Didn't they get a bunch from People Express?


That's correct. The last batch came with the PE merger.
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Fri Mar 06, 2020 10:25 pm

mikwalen409 wrote:
Hi - I read that Continental stopped using their 747's in 1978ish. But then, they appear again in the late 80s. Did they buy / lease them again, or obtain them from a merger?
Does anyone know what routes the 747 flew from EWR? I'm assuming London Gatwick but were there others? :)


They new-built they got were retired in 1974/75, then in 1987 following the merger with People Express they nine (2 -100s, 7 -200s) joined the fleet and remained until around 1994/95, and a few more years with Continental Micronesia.

Out of EWR the must have served LGW, ORY & FRA.

 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Fri Mar 06, 2020 11:07 pm

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They new-built they got were retired in 1974/75, then in 1987 following the merger with People Express they nine (2 -100s, 7 -200s) joined the fleet and remained until around 1994/95, and a few more years with Continental Micronesia.

Out of EWR the must have served LGW, ORY & FRA.


In late 1994, the 747 was flying from EWR to AMS, FRA, and LGW. ORY was served by DC-10. CO also used the 747 for IAH-LGW-AMS and NRT-HNL.
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:24 am

They operated 747's on EWR-LAX in the early 90s, and I'm pretty sure an NRT-SEA-LAX same plane service for a short time in the late 80s or early 90s. It was always an impressive sight to see the nose pull into the curved contours of gates 68 A and B at LAX.
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:29 am

I think the South Pacific services often routed EWR-LAX-HNL-AKL-MEL or similar at different times?
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:33 am

They also used them on Miami - LGW. I think they suspened that route indefinitely around 1989??
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:34 am

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They also used them on Miami - LGW. I think they suspened that route indefinitely around 1989??
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:01 am

Continental had a 747-200 listed for sale on their website sometime in the 2000s. Which terminals did the 747 flights use at EWR and ORY?
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 9:48 am

Yup they were a Gatwick staple throughout the 90s, two jumbos (EWR and IAH) and a DC-10 (DEN) every morning. The hardware was inherited from PEOPLExpress who themselves bought them secondhand from Qantas and Alitalia (and the -100s were maybe ex Lufty -130s?).
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 2:54 pm

I'm also pretty sure they flew the EWR-HNL route, at least in the late 80s.
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:09 pm

It was on the daily IAH-HNL too... until 1990ish
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:38 pm

uclax wrote:
They operated 747's on EWR-LAX in the early 90s, and I'm pretty sure an NRT-SEA-LAX same plane service for a short time in the late 80s or early 90s. It was always an impressive sight to see the nose pull into the curved contours of gates 68 A and B at LAX.


When CO was first awarded NRT from SEA, the flight was actually EWR-SEA-NRT.

They also flew the 747s from LAX-PPT, HNL-SYD/MEL/AKL until they terminated those routes.
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 3:56 pm

In the summer of 1994 I rode on a -200 from EWR to MAD...so they defiantly had them there too
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 4:59 pm

No 747s to AMS... AMS wasn’t served on CO metal until the late 90s. Prior to that, it was a hardblock codeshare on Transavia via LGW. Nor were they operated on EWR-HNL; that didn’t come along until 1997 or so on the DC-10.

747s from EWR flew on a regular basis, at times, to LAX/SFO/SEA/LGW/ORY/MAD/FRA. There may have been some others (SJU, DEN come time mind from time to time) but those were the key routes.
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 6:23 pm

CO 741s and 742s were primarily routed, LAX-HNL-AKL-SYD, LAX-HNL-AKL-MEL and LAX-HNL-SYD and IAH-HNL plus LGW and occasionaly to Frankfurt. I had the pleasure of flying on one of these tired old birds in 1992. DC0-10 # 98 N68048 from YVR to HNL and then 747 # 56 N17011 an ex People Express bird, to AKL. This was right around the time of the livery change. But the 741s and DC10-10s didnt have it yet. The good old gold and red routine. Sat right up front. I seriously miss Continental. The UA merger is a piece of history and the guts and spirit of the soon to be reunvated CO are long gone, unfortunately. But good to see that UAL is making a come back. Still havfe a number of pristine CO timetables from the 1980s and 1990s. Really, I wish for better days an alternative outcome to CO being subsumed into UA.
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:38 pm

I'm sure I saw their 747's at Brussels around 1990/91!?
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 7:38 pm

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They new-built they got were retired in 1974/75.


So they were among the others like National, Eastern, Delta, American that found the Boeing 747 was too big for their networks.

But weren't they flying Asia Pacific/Hawaii back then?
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:10 pm

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I'm also pretty sure they flew the EWR-HNL route, at least in the late 80s.


No, they did not. CO flew JFK-HNL in the 1980s and used the DC10. The EWR-HNL route was launched in the late 1990s and initially flew with the DC10 then switched to the 767-400ER which was mainstay of the route well past the UA merger, which has since alternated between the 767-400ER, 767-300ER, and a few times, the 777-200ER.
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:18 pm

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I'm sure I saw their 747's at Brussels around 1990/91!?


You did. PE flew the 747 from EWR to BRU when the route launched and when CO acquired PE, it often flew the 747s to BRU, ORY, and LGW, out of EWR in the early 1990s.
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:20 pm

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SpaceshipDC10 wrote:
They new-built they got were retired in 1974/75, then in 1987 following the merger with People Express they nine (2 -100s, 7 -200s) joined the fleet and remained until around 1994/95, and a few more years with Continental Micronesia.

Out of EWR the must have served LGW, ORY & FRA.


In late 1994, the 747 was flying from EWR to AMS, FRA, and LGW. ORY was served by DC-10. CO also used the 747 for IAH-LGW-AMS and NRT-HNL.


Continental launched service to Amsterdam in 1997 (along with a handful of other routes that year to Europe. The route was launched with a DC10. The 747 at CO was retired by 1998, as the 777 came on line. No CO flew EWR-AMS on a scheduled basis.
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Sun Mar 08, 2020 1:06 am

CO also took over Eastern’s MIA-LGW route and operated it with a 747 from 1986 to 1990.


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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:37 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
ScottB wrote:
In late 1994, the 747 was flying from EWR to AMS, FRA, and LGW. ORY was served by DC-10. CO also used the 747 for IAH-LGW-AMS and NRT-HNL.


Continental launched service to Amsterdam in 1997 (along with a handful of other routes that year to Europe. The route was launched with a DC10. The 747 at CO was retired by 1998, as the 777 came on line. No CO flew EWR-AMS on a scheduled basis.


Yeah that wasn't clear from the timetable. That might've been with the LGW-AMS leg on HV.
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:53 am

ScottB wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
ScottB wrote:
In late 1994, the 747 was flying from EWR to AMS, FRA, and LGW. ORY was served by DC-10. CO also used the 747 for IAH-LGW-AMS and NRT-HNL.


Continental launched service to Amsterdam in 1997 (along with a handful of other routes that year to Europe. The route was launched with a DC10. The 747 at CO was retired by 1998, as the 777 came on line. No CO flew EWR-AMS on a scheduled basis.


Yeah that wasn't clear from the timetable. That might've been with the LGW-AMS leg on HV.


It used to show up as the same flight # (I think CO28/29) with an “EQV” over LGW.
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Mon Mar 09, 2020 4:54 am

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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:20 am

Sometme in early 1990's Continental temporarily suspened EWR - LGW - I think 1992. Can anyone remember the year and for how long before they restarted ?
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:26 am

I flew N17025, B747-238B, operating CO25 LGW-EWR on 23rd August 1988
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 09, 2020 10:53 am

During the 1992 in Summer Olympics in Barcelona, CO had the 747 flying to MAD, of course.
They didn't serve BCN back then.
They were also going to FRA, Paris, (Orly?), and LGW with the 747 classics.
I believe they were removed from EWR in fall of 1992. I am pretty sure.
I flew EWR-FRA-EWR roundtrip in the fall of 92. It was the DC10, I recall pretty clearly the 747 had just been taken off that route.

I remember CO codeshared with some small European Airline on LGW to AMS in the early 90's. They didn't serve it with its own equipment.
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:12 am

Here’s a fantastic list of all 747 flights by United and Continental:


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... 1970-2017/


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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:19 am

Why didn't Continental order 767-300ERs in the early 1990s to replace some of the 747s. The 747 is too big for transatlantic flights out of EWR.
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:31 am

CO had DC-10s for TATL in the early 90s, and ordered 762s and 764s.

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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:31 am

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Why didn't Continental order 767-300ERs in the early 1990s to replace some of the 747s. The 747 is too big for transatlantic flights out of EWR.


They did, early 1990s, pre Bethune, ordered A340s to replace their 747s, A330s to replace their DC-10s and 757s and 767-300s for growth. When Bethune took over he cancelled everything except the 757s.

He negotiated a new order with Boeing for 777s, 762s and 764s.

Some
Of the 763s they originally ordered were built and ended up with other carriers and eventually Delta.


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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:37 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
CO had DC-10s for TATL in the early 90s, and ordered 762s and 764s.

https://www.planespotters.net/airline/C ... -Air-Lines


When Gordon Bethune took over they started acquiring second hand DC-10s and shut down their South Pacific/ HNL hub and moved those DC-10s to EWR for growth to Europe and South America.


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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 09, 2020 12:54 pm

I remember taking a CO DC10 out of Gatwick and was expecting a 747, any idea what year was the change?
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 09, 2020 5:16 pm

blacksoviet wrote:
Why didn't Continental order 767-300ERs in the early 1990s to replace some of the 747s. The 747 is too big for transatlantic flights out of EWR.

They did, but cancelled the order at the last minute while some were actually in assembly. A handful (5ish, I believe) 767-324ERs were built.
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 09, 2020 7:30 pm

STT757 wrote:
blacksoviet wrote:
Why didn't Continental order 767-300ERs in the early 1990s to replace some of the 747s. The 747 is too big for transatlantic flights out of EWR.


They did, early 1990s, pre Bethune, ordered A340s to replace their 747s, A330s to replace their DC-10s and 757s and 767-300s for growth. When Bethune took over he cancelled everything except the 757s.

He negotiated a new order with Boeing for 777s, 762s and 764s.

Some
Of the 763s they originally ordered were built and ended up with other carriers and eventually Delta.


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Why did Bethune prefer the 762 and 764 over the 763?
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 09, 2020 8:22 pm

In December 1991 I flew CO 742's roundtrip from EWR to ORY. I can vaguely remember another 742 at the gate in EWR departing for MAD.

In August 1992 I flew CO 742's from LAX-HNL-AKL-BNE. Pretty sure there was a change of plane in HNL but definitely same plane service on HNL-AKL-BNE. Then flew a CO DC-10 BNE-SYD, and another DC-10 a few days later on SYD-HNL which connected onto a 742 from HNL back to LAX. I remember there being a lot of young Japanese tourists on the LAX-HNL leg who I assume were returning home via HNL-NRT.

I also flew on a PE 741 on EWR-LGW in August 1985 and was lucky enough to get on the top deck as it was all economy seating.

And . . . also flew a CO DC-10 on EWR-BRU and AMS-EWR in September 2000. I think that may have been one of the last DC-10 flights out of AMS as it switched to a 757 only a few days/weeks later.
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 16, 2020 6:47 pm

Did Continental ever use the 747 on its EWR - Manchester route? On this site, I've seen pics of Continental 747's in the white/blue/gold livery at MAN.
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:10 pm

blacksoviet wrote:

Why did Bethune prefer the 762 and 764 over the 763?


The thought process was to step widebody/longhaul capacity in roughly 50-seat increments... 175 seats (762), 235 seats (764), 285 seats (772).
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:32 pm

I just found this: Very Interesting. Apparently 25% of the CO A340 order was possibly going to EA as well. They had 40 A330 / A340 on order in 1989: https://www.nytimes.com/1989/11/17/busi ... order.html
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:47 pm

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I think the South Pacific services often routed EWR-LAX-HNL-AKL-MEL or similar at different times?



They operated a small "scissor hub" at HNL for awhile. a 747 operated LAX-HNL-AKL; a DC10 SFO-HNL-SYD. I flew it in about 1990 (LAX-HNL on the 747 connecting to a DC10 on to Sydney)
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 16, 2020 7:57 pm

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I flew EWR-FRA-EWR roundtrip in the fall of 92. It was the DC10, I recall pretty clearly the 747 had just been taken off that route.


I flew FRA-EWR-FRA on B747 ship 021 and 025 respectively in August 1993.
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:30 pm

The 747 and DC10 fleet were switched depending on the season. In the Northern Summer the 747s served the Transatlantic, the DC10s the Pacific. In the Northern Winter they swapped over.
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:43 pm

Did Continental refurbish the PEOPLExpress 747 cabins to their specifications or did they maintain the PE cabins for the duration of their service with CO?
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:53 pm

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Did Continental refurbish the PEOPLExpress 747 cabins to their specifications or did they maintain the PE cabins for the duration of their service with CO?


I believe they were, at least when in the early '90s they introduced their new products and livery, such as BusinessFirst-class.
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:22 pm

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Did Continental refurbish the PEOPLExpress 747 cabins to their specifications or did they maintain the PE cabins for the duration of their service with CO?


They did hang onto their PE Interiors for a long while though. For instance I think this is an PE interior on a CO 747 in 1990: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3o3VxNI6Js&t=4s

I can't find any photos of what the reconfigured CO 747s with BusinessFirst looked like after installation, only D10s. I did fly on a CO A300 in April 1995 on FLL-EWR that did have new interiors Y, but can't what first class looked like at the time.
 
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Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:52 pm

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I can't find any photos of what the reconfigured CO 747s with BusinessFirst looked like after installation, only D10s. I did fly on a CO A300 in April 1995 on FLL-EWR that did have new interiors Y, but can't what first class looked like at the time.


During the national lockdown, see if you can find the movie “Junior”. CO paid to place its then-new BF product in the first 15 or so minutes of the film, which prominently features a reconfigured 747.
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:37 am

One of the Continental 747-200s is currently stored in Roswell.
 
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Re: Continental 747's and EWR

Tue Mar 17, 2020 1:51 am

codc10 wrote:
N649DL wrote:
I can't find any photos of what the reconfigured CO 747s with BusinessFirst looked like after installation, only D10s. I did fly on a CO A300 in April 1995 on FLL-EWR that did have new interiors Y, but can't what first class looked like at the time.


During the national lockdown, see if you can find the movie “Junior”. CO paid to place its then-new BF product in the first 15 or so minutes of the film, which prominently features a reconfigured 747.


Oh Man: Thank you for this! Just downloaded it on Amazon. Total flashback for sure! Love the OnePass Boarding Jackets and product placement. It actually looked quite nice for the Mid-1990s.

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