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British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:36 pm

According to "The BA Source" British Airways flew 3 Airbus a319s from Heathrow to St Athens for parting out and scrapping today (11th). G-EUPE, G-EUOC & G-EUOD all left with one hour. This is all part of BAs fleet renewal with new a320/a321NEOs arriving. Today a new a320NEO also entered service today. I knew the a319s where going but didn't expect 3 in one day.
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:40 pm

COVID-19 probably made it easy to do 3 at one time.
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:15 am

Bealine251 wrote:
According to "The BA Source" British Airways flew 3 Airbus a319s from Heathrow to St Athens for parting out and scrapping today (11th). G-EUPE, G-EUOC & G-EUOD all left with one hour. This is all part of BAs fleet renewal with new a320/a321NEOs arriving. Today a new a320NEO also entered service today. I knew the a319s where going but didn't expect 3 in one day.

Regarding the exaggerated coronavirus hysteria, there is just no demand for them. Soon, we will see many planes parked in the desert for mid and long term storage, others will be parked for short term at airports or maintenance checks will be done early... fleet renewal programs will be done advanced, so A340, B767, A319, old B737 e.g. will now go to storage or for part out and scrap.
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:41 am

Sad to see airplanes delivered after 2000 already being scrapped. A319 used prices have not held up well.
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:22 am

Would be interesting to know their cycles and hours, these planes were well looked after but worked hard in their career.
There was a list of the aircraft BA are retiring (don't have it to hand) so it's not unexpected.
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:20 am

ikolkyo wrote:
COVID-19 probably made it easy to do 3 at one time.

Nothing to do with the virus, this was planned months ago.
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:08 am

So United and American have ended their quest to find A319s? UA was buying some from CZ and AA from F9. These BA 319s seem to be pretty new and meet the engine requirements for United and AA.
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:14 am

n729pa wrote:
Would be interesting to know their cycles and hours, these planes were well looked after but worked hard in their career.
There was a list of the aircraft BA are retiring (don't have it to hand) so it's not unexpected.


As per the CAA website,

The total hours of the three frames was:

G-EUPE 45663 hours as at 23 Dec 2019
G-EUOC 42405 hours as at 5 July 2019
G-EUOD 42375 hours as at 22 July 2019
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:25 am

St.Athan maybe.... certainly no St. Athens.. :-)
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:04 pm

It doesn't take COVID-19 to kill off a few 319s. Plenty of 319s of that era have been stored or scrapped, by any number of carriers. Maybe they were predominantly high cycle frames; maybe not.
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:22 pm

Surely a well cared for middle aged A319 is a more desirable plane than an Embrarer 190/195 with current fuel prices.
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Thu Mar 12, 2020 12:23 pm

Does surprise me a bit, doesn't the A319 have some life left in them with hundreds of B737's parked? I know the nightmare to add some in a fleet when you do not have more, but I would have expected some entrepreneur picking up some and do a wet-lease arrangement.
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Thu Mar 12, 2020 6:31 pm

Bhoy wrote:
As per the CAA website,

The total hours of the three frames was:

G-EUPE 45663 hours as at 23 Dec 2019
G-EUOC 42405 hours as at 5 July 2019
G-EUOD 42375 hours as at 22 July 2019


BA use the A319 on many short flights, so cycles must be around 44,000-46,000 as well. Are they due for their fourth D-check?

The A319 is a great aircraft, a pity it is already being retired from many airlines, but if the economics are simply not there, then...
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:36 pm

PE I'd flown HAM-LHR
OC GOT-LHR
OD LHR-MUC

OC was one of the Olympic doves in her time too
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Fri Mar 13, 2020 10:28 am

leghorn wrote:
Surely a well cared for middle aged A319 is a more desirable plane than an Embrarer 190/195 with current fuel prices.


Yes, I agree. I think the COVID virus and the low demand, low oil price situation is going to make older aircraft more attractive. It would make sense for airlines to cut their overheads and risk as quickly as possible by cancelling orders for expensive new planes and keeping the older ones in service for longer.
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:18 am

Have noticed recently that a lot of ex BMI A319 have transferred over to LHR...any reason for this?
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Fri Mar 13, 2020 11:30 am

peterinlisbon wrote:
leghorn wrote:
Surely a well cared for middle aged A319 is a more desirable plane than an Embrarer 190/195 with current fuel prices.


Yes, I agree. I think the COVID virus and the low demand, low oil price situation is going to make older aircraft more attractive. It would make sense for airlines to cut their overheads and risk as quickly as possible by cancelling orders for expensive new planes and keeping the older ones in service for longer.

If you can easily and cheaply cancel your order. It was only a few years ago Udvar-Hazy (I think, it was someone connected to leasing companies) was warning that many airlines were rushing to buy all these cheap narrowbodies with cancellation clauses heavily favoring the OEM. Airbus and Boeing are certainly going to try and do everything to keep the order value on the books, whether that be conversion to something else and/or deferment.

Right now very few airlines are going to want additional capacity, used or not. It might be more prudent to just defer current orders and stick with what you have then cancel new orders and buy more used planes. Owners of these used planes have to balance whether they should park the planes and hope that an airline gives a good offer later for them or take the immediate offer that a scrapper may give.
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:13 pm

ro318 wrote:
Have noticed recently that a lot of ex BMI A319 have transferred over to LHR...any reason for this?


I think it’s because they don’t have palletised baggage handling equipment.
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Fri Mar 13, 2020 3:12 pm

ro318 wrote:
Have noticed recently that a lot of ex BMI A319 have transferred over to LHR...any reason for this?


Several LHR based A320’s moves to LGW
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Fri Mar 13, 2020 6:14 pm

n729pa wrote:
PE I'd flown HAM-LHR
OC GOT-LHR
OD LHR-MUC

OC was one of the Olympic doves in her time too


OC was never a dove. OH was the only one it that sequence.
 
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:28 am

n729pa wrote:
Would be interesting to know their cycles and hours, these planes were well looked after but worked hard in their career.
There was a list of the aircraft BA are retiring (don't have it to hand) so it's not unexpected.


A good source for info on the BA fleet is Jethros, found here:

http://jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet_list ... 320srs.htm

Jethros is usually very reliable, although at one point the proposed retirement dates for the A320 family were a little out of step. In the current climate it could be all change.
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Re: British Airways retire 3x Airbus a319s

Mon Mar 16, 2020 10:08 am

G-EUOB that was scheduled for retirement this month flew Heathrow - St Athans this morning.

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